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Until What Point is it Legal?
    #8700089 - 07/29/08 11:22 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Self-explanatory: until what point is the cultivation of psylocibe mushrooms illegal.
The spores are legal, the mushroom itself is illegal. In between those two, until what step is it legal?
Spore in substrate? Colonization? Full mycellial growth? Pins? The more acurate the better. :wink:

Surprisingly I am only asking this for curiosity.

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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: skaterickets]
    #8700097 - 07/29/08 11:24 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Im pretty sure once mycelium forms, actually once you noc your jars up it becomes illegal.


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: Krez]
    #8700108 - 07/29/08 11:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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actually once you noc your jars up it becomes illegal.




Meaning that as soon as the spores are introduced to a substrate it becomes illegal, even if mycellium hasn't formed?

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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: skaterickets]
    #8700112 - 07/29/08 11:27 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Spores are used for microscope use only!:mattz:


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: Krez]
    #8700117 - 07/29/08 11:27 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty much once you put the spores into the jars its illegal...Thats intent to manufacture.

I guess it would be once the mycelium forms it becomes something more extreme.


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: MHbound]
    #8700122 - 07/29/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Pretty much once you put the spores into the jars its illegal...Thats intent to manufacture.

I guess it would be once the mycelium forms it becomes something more extreme.




Exactly


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: skaterickets]
    #8700125 - 07/29/08 11:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

depends where you live, New Mexico for example, growing for own consumption (limits on that) is not AS illegal as say, Colorado (where I live) and NM is the only state like that, but then there are federal laws.

They could also find enough stuff to show that you intend to do so, but its all case study,

shroom "grow ops" can be a couple of PF tek cakes in some 2-3 liter bottles, for own consumption, or a full room of monotubs,

I imagine if you get charged with intent to distribute and you have 12 monotubs, it is a better case for the prosecuter than a couple of 2 liters that arent even started yet.

I think mushroom grow ops are rarely found, as they dont tend to get huge, and its really rather simple and doesnt smell like anything.


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: MarioTrip]
    #8700131 - 07/29/08 11:30 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Of course!
We here are all law-abiding citizens, that solely use this website for educational purposes about mycology. :tongue2:

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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8700146 - 07/29/08 11:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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depends where you live, New Mexico for example, growing for own consumption (limits on that) is not AS illegal as say, Colorado (where I live) and NM is the only state like that, but then there are federal laws.


 

Thats when youd get screwed with the federal shit...If its just for self consumption they probably bust your balls and make it a pain in the ass.


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: skaterickets]
    #8700147 - 07/29/08 11:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yea they are usually found in link with something else. Marijuana grow ops tend to reveal other things...Such as shroom ops.


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: MHbound]
    #8700148 - 07/29/08 11:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Alright, thanks guys found the answer I was looking for!

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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: MarioTrip]
    #8700150 - 07/29/08 11:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

cultivating the spores is the illegal part. You can legally posses spores but once you inoculate into a substrate it is illegal.

Even if they are inoculated but theres no myc growth, its still illegal. they can just send jars or whatever to be tested for spores.

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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8700154 - 07/29/08 11:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i read somwhere on the web that it becomes illegal if they are prepared for consumption (ie)dry.

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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: Crillz]
    #8700162 - 07/29/08 11:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

It's only illegal if you get caught


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: LoveOverAll]
    #8700181 - 07/29/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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i read somwhere on the web that it becomes illegal if they are prepared for consumption (ie)dry.




In the places where shrooms are legal it is illegal to sell dry shrooms...I think


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: Krez]
    #8700186 - 07/29/08 11:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

In Florida its Illegal to possess dry Psilocybe Cubensis, but legal to possess wet ones that were picked fresh. Of course you couldn't have a trash bag of them, and be like I didn't know or they were the only ones out in this field.


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: MHbound]
    #8700189 - 07/29/08 11:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yea im sure theyd bust balls and get you for trespassin.


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: NinjaGnome52]
    #8700191 - 07/29/08 11:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Keep in the mind that in some states in the US, if caught, the weight of the "medium" counts as part of the weight of the substance.

That is... 20 jars at 10% colonization would be the same as having p. cubensis weighing as much as all the jars combined.

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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8700306 - 07/30/08 12:15 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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depends where you live, New Mexico for example, growing for own consumption (limits on that) is not AS illegal as say, Colorado (where I live) and NM is the only state like that, but then there are federal laws.

They could also find enough stuff to show that you intend to do so, but its all case study,

shroom "grow ops" can be a couple of PF tek cakes in some 2-3 liter bottles, for own consumption, or a full room of monotubs,

I imagine if you get charged with intent to distribute and you have 12 monotubs, it is a better case for the prosecuter than a couple of 2 liters that arent even started yet.

I think mushroom grow ops are rarely found, as they dont tend to get huge, and its really rather simple and doesnt smell like anything.




In New-Mexico the state appeals case in 2005 said growing hallucinogenic mushrooms is not banned under New Mexico’s law against manufacturing an illegal drug.

Although psilocybin, the active substance in the mushrooms, is illegal under both state and federal controlled substances laws, growing the funny fungus doesn't qualify as drug manufacture, the court held, citing a 1999 ruling that growing marijuana doesn't qualify as manufacture under the state law.

That law defines manufacture as "the production, preparation, compounding, conversion or processing of a controlled substance or controlled substance analog by extraction from substances of natural origin or independently by means of chemical synthesis or by a combination of extraction and chemical synthesis and includes any packaging or repackaging of the substance or labeling or relabeling of its container."

Dry those shrooms and put them in a ziplock and you can kiss your ass good bye. And just cause the state didnt get you doesnt mean the feds wont


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: bahaiDOTorg]
    #8700334 - 07/30/08 12:21 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Keep in the mind that in some states in the US, if caught, the weight of the "medium" counts as part of the weight of the substance.

That is... 20 jars at 10% colonization would be the same as having p. cubensis weighing as much as all the jars combined.




They use to do this with LSD they would just weigh the blotter and charge you based on that but it finally went to the supreme court because people were getting outrageous sentences. Now they have to extract the LSD from the paper and give an accurate weight


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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: DesertWolf]
    #8700414 - 07/30/08 12:44 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Keep in the mind that in some states in the US, if caught, the weight of the "medium" counts as part of the weight of the substance.

That is... 20 jars at 10% colonization would be the same as having p. cubensis weighing as much as all the jars combined.




They use to do this with LSD they would just weigh the blotter and charge you based on that but it finally went to the supreme court because people were getting outrageous sentences. Now they have to extract the LSD from the paper and give an accurate weight




You are absolutely correct. LSD doses are however in the order of 50-150 millionth of a gram.

Regarding mushrooms however, situation is different at least in MI. About 2.5 months ago, a not so intelligent (in this case) member of my community was stopped while driving for a minor traffic violation while carrying ~3 lbs of dry fruit, ~50 half colonized grain jars, and a few not fully colonized casings in the trunk.

His penalty/sentence was based on the total weight of the fruit/jars/casings combined all counted as "psychoactive mushrooms".

What's funny (or not so funny) is that she was stopped for simply speeding (while extremely stoned) and consented to a search whereas she probably could have walked away had she not consented, since there was no visible sign of any illegal thing (other her being a bit "out of it").

Folks, make sure you watch/understand the know-your-rights video posted in the legal forums.

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Re: Until What Point is it Legal? [Re: bahaiDOTorg]
    #8700581 - 07/30/08 01:24 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Off topic but i remember a case where they stopped a guy for speeding and he took off running they found 30,000 tabs of mdma in the trunk of his car.

The cop said i was just going to give him a ticket if he hadn't run i would have never known.

Some people are just dumb.

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