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 thedudenj
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 shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer 
#8698033 - 07/29/08 03:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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so whats real differance, something i notice in the talk of the differnace between medicine men/shaman and dotocors is that they leave out the role of drug dealers, when it comes down to it arnt they all just the same thing?
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deCypher
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: thedudenj]
#8698857 - 07/29/08 06:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doctors ARE the pharmaceutical equivalent of the drug dealer.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: deCypher]
#8698878 - 07/29/08 06:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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 only more sinister.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Icelander]
#8698880 - 07/29/08 06:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's a generalization.  
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Lion]
#8698895 - 07/29/08 06:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, but it was fun to make.:D
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Icelander]
#8699053 - 07/29/08 07:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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The difference would be their motivations.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: PsychoPsilocin]
#8699066 - 07/29/08 07:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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... making money vs. making money? 
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: deCypher]
#8699254 - 07/29/08 08:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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 Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: PsychoPsilocin]
#8699258 - 07/29/08 08:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
PsychoPsilocin said:
The difference would be their motivations.
Yes....
Doctors generally try to help with problems that cause you to go to them and seek a solution to a problem....
Most likely to fix an ailment, or to feel "normal" do to a perceived problem....
You would most likely seek a drug dealer to get a chemical means of recreation....
Shamans are sought out to find spiritual balance, or fix "spiritual ailments"....
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thedudenj
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8700141 - 07/29/08 11:32 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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what about when your friends with a drug dealer and they are just being your friend and they were to be someone that deals in psychedelics?
also shamans also heal pshyical aliments with onitments remember they realize spiritual illness and phsyical ones are the same.
i would say the differnce between most doctors and shamans are doctors tend not to always accept its a spiritual process.
a drug dealer can.
now how come you said a doctors motivation but not the one of the drug dealer or shaman? you just said why people are motivated to see them.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: thedudenj]
#8700859 - 07/30/08 03:52 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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all the doctors I know even the bad ones
have had university educations.
i don't know any drug dealers, but I used to -
none of those seemed to be that educated.
though that could be camoflauge and I am sure many scholars were also drug dealers.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: redgreenvines]
#8701167 - 07/30/08 07:59 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah i know drug dealers with college degrees, lol.
i cant say i had much of a direction going with this other then that all there tend to be the same thing or atleast have the same intentions. cause not all drug dealers, and doctors are in it for the money. the only differnace between those to and a medicine man is the medicine doesnt make mad money.
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"You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: thedudenj]
#8701770 - 07/30/08 11:38 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you would meet a real spiritual healer then you wouldn't ask such silly questions.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: thedudenj]
#8703338 - 07/30/08 04:57 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
thedudenj said:
now how come you said a doctors motivation but not the one of the drug dealer or shaman? you just said why people are motivated to see them.
I don't know any shamans, and I can't speak for them as to what their motivations/intentions are....
And as for the "drug dealers" motivations, just a general guess would be that 99 out of 100 do it for the money.... 
What kind of answer were you looking for....?
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: thedudenj]
#8703529 - 07/30/08 05:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
thedudenj said:
so whats real differance, something i notice in the talk of the differnace between medicine men/shaman and dotocors is that they leave out the role of drug dealers, when it comes down to it arnt they all just the same thing?
Allopathic medicine is bullshit. Doctors kill more than they cure, get the facts. Go to educate-yourself.org
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thedudenj
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8703571 - 07/30/08 05:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh they do, the most fucked up i was ever on drugs was from a doctor, i had 3 times daily ativan and anti psychotics it was like being on meth then on heavy dope. Or like alot of DOC doc makes me teak out like those anti psychotics for sure.
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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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 Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8704624 - 07/30/08 09:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Poid said:
Allopathic medicine is bullshit.
In which version of the definition for "Allopathic Medicine" are you referring....?
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Poid said:
Doctors kill more than they cure, get the facts. Go to educate-yourself.org
Yeah, the next time I break a bone, get a bad toothache, or get terribly ill, no way am I going to no steeeenking Doctor....
Thanks for opening my eyes.... 
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8706363 - 07/31/08 08:06 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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When it comes to disease conditions I do whatever possible to stay away from the medical establishment. When it comes to broken bones and mechanical issues, I'm there in a second.
You need to know what they are good for.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Icelander]
#8706490 - 07/31/08 09:04 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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One thing that people do not realize that the majority of the time....its the shamans taking the drugs, NOT the patients.
Yes there is some shamanism that takes place with substance use, In fact its probally how the majority of the people on this boared came to know shamanism. But the majority of true shamanistic healing comes from the point in which psychedelics are not used.
Becomming a shaman isnt a matter of taking heroic doses of mushrooms, ect. Then telling your friend to take the same amount. Thats just asinine if you really think about it. Becomming a shaman in many cultures is a "Chosen" path by a higher power. In fact, the people who simply choose to be shamans are considered "lesser" shamans then those who have had the call. And the call in alot of cases involves a death/rebirth experiance (Meaning it almost kills you  )
You are either born a shaman because of past family members, or because of a "Call of the spirits". And it normally isnt FUN or EASY to be a shaman. In fact its a constant struggle your entire life! There are I think 9 levels of shaman training, and the majority of the shamans even in the fucking amazon dont make the last phases.
Im by no means a shaman. But I have done plenty of reasearch, and have experiance with what im talking about.
Dont think your psychedelics make you shamans....If anything taking psychedelics for spiritual reasons falls under the Category of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism
Be safe yall!
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Edited by Spiritual Seeker (07/31/08 09:06 AM)
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#8706625 - 07/31/08 10:09 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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true,
to heal, the doctor should take drugs
the patient just needs to get better.
surgery is a different matter. - unnecessary surgery should be avoided.
my appendix would have killed me at age 10 but that was a long time ago.
my kidneys had another chance 8 years ago.
(tonsils wisdom teeth - nose repair... etc....)
the interventions were like patching a leaky roof.
i am glad the surgeons were not on drugs for that.
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