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RoosterCogburn
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: blackegg]
#8697813 - 07/29/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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blackegg said: The main issue is will it be worth the hassle.
Nope.
I think anyone can dream and build some super mushroom growing tank... but the shrooms they'd get will be the same ones I get from a rubbermaid tub.
Or 16 rubbermaid tubs.
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: blackegg]
#8697816 - 07/29/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Believe someone that tried it?
No, because it could be done better, perhaps. but I'd still listen and respect what they had to say.
I do not accept the, "everything worthwhile has been thought up already by people far smarter than you" response though.
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: blackegg]
#8697823 - 07/29/08 02:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stick with whats been done and proven... your gonna either fail or at best have minimal success. Build a martha or use monotubs.
C02 isnt as bad of an issue as some may think with mushrooms... I mean afterall they will grow in bags that get ZERO FAE as long as they have a filter patch.
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: blackegg]
#8697833 - 07/29/08 02:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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blackegg said: Thanks for your response.
Again: 1.Humidified air wouldn't dry out the casing....... right?
2. FAE is supposed to be good for something, ...well why not have more FAE? What could it possibly hurt to provide the little guys with more clean & humid air?
Am I making sense?
Humidified air MIGHT dry out the casing. Evaporation from your casing will happen whenever the air is even slightly less than 100% RH. Terrariums that maintain 100% RH actually experience constant evaporation from the casing and any perlite - it just happens at such a rate that the evaporation keeps up with the loss of RH through the ventilation holes. As long as the holes aren't over-done, the loss of moisture will be minimal, but it still exists.
When air is moving over a surface, the evaporation rate is greatly increased. Thus, forced circulation will cause more evaporation that an equivalent still air environment.
If 100% RH air warms up at all after being humidified, it will become <100% RH air and will try to evaporate away moisture from whatever it encounters. Close to 100% RH air won't evaporate off water too quickly, but drier air will cause evaporation at a faster rate.
If 100% RH air cools down at all, it will be able to hold less moisture. Since it can't really become 110% RH, it will shed some water by way of condensation. This will build up everywhere, including your casing and mycellium, creating evil standing water.
Now the idea of a circulation system COULD work, but you would need to: 1) Humidify the air to practically 100% RH before it reaches your substrates (less humid air, even if OK in a traditional tub, would dry things out in a moving air environment) 2) Keep the air from cooling after humidification. 3) Keep any warming of the air as low as possible since a drop in RH will lead to increased evaporation from subs/casing. 4) Use misting to replace lost water on a regular basis.
You will probably find it very difficult to keep everything balanced and the moving air will make small problems into big problems. Moving air will also make those big problems happen very quickly. This would be a neat idea for an experiment, but don't do it until you're comfortable with traditional methods. Expect lots of failures and adjustments.
And yes, FAE is very good for lots of things. It's just that humidity and moisture are also good. Moving air, even moist moving air, will suck a lot of moisture out of subs. We already get good FAE by using lots of holes/slits and we don't need air to move at all for this to work. Diffusion will move CO2 and O2 around without the need for air movement, alrthough occasional movement helps too.
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
#8697863 - 07/29/08 02:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you.
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: blackegg]
#8697880 - 07/29/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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n00b?
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roby000 said: thats true a shotgun is almost like a college degree in a sense that if you show it to the right person at the right time you could make a lot of money.
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: P.Menace]
#8698204 - 07/29/08 03:47 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, gee, I can't imagine why I didn't come asking you for advice sooner.
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I mean afterall they will grow in bags that get ZERO FAE as long as they have a filter patch
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: blackegg]
#8698363 - 07/29/08 04:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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and your not being a Smartass either.
Dude theres 3 threads in the mushcult alone right now with basically this same question, and they have already been answered
I give my respects for the long timers, he has been here longer than me, has probably been growing longer than me... and im not saying I know more or anything but I have tried this method he speaks of with minimal success and have a way huge great success with Bags and Zero attention payed to them really.
He can believe what he wants, and already left me a "zinger" in my ratings... He has said he peace... So have I
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roby000 said: thats true a shotgun is almost like a college degree in a sense that if you show it to the right person at the right time you could make a lot of money.
Edited by P.Menace (07/29/08 05:25 PM)
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: P.Menace]
#8698464 - 07/29/08 04:52 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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comeon guys..
people pump air into their tubs every day with success! why are you all telling him it wont work!?
if you pump in humid air, filtered or not, you will be addressing your fae concerns. as long as the air going in is humid enough, or you have something adding humidity as fast as its removed, you are on your way to success. just remember, mushrooms dont like wind so dont have to much air going into it.
over at mycotopia they make fun of shroomery.org because everyone is a bunch of know-it-alls.. and im starting to think they are right.
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: themange]
#8698572 - 07/29/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I cant see spending all that money for some HVAC system for a small operation. Now i have a neighbor who has a green house he set up for growing mushrooms that he sells to a local market and he has a Swamp Cooler/Evaporative cooler the type used on houses in the south west in his to keep the humidity high. He has pre filters before the air reaches the Swamp cooler and he has UV lights built in to the cooler to help cut down on contamination. He has it all hooked in to a CAP AIR-1 Temp/Humidity Climate Controller that runs the swamp cooler and exhaust fans to keep everything where it should be. But there is no need for any of this unless your running a decent size operation.
Let me tell you you can mess some shit up with a swamp cooler. I don't have refrigerated air i have a swamp cooler on my house and i forgot and left it on when i went out of town with all the windows shut. When i got home i couldn't get any of the damn doors open they all swelled up.
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: DesertWolf]
#8698723 - 07/29/08 05:56 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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u don't want to use Hvac, it zaps humidity, you'd want a "water chiller system" which does not affect humidity, this thread could have been interesting but got all gayed up!
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: jeetered]
#8699322 - 07/29/08 08:27 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why on earth would he want a water chiller?
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: Krez]
#8699380 - 07/29/08 08:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Krez said: Why on earth would he want a water chiller?
explained in my previous post.
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: jeetered]
#8699731 - 07/29/08 09:52 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh shit you were talkin to DesertWolf. I thought you meant for grow cubes. Im tired, need sleepy! My bad
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Look, the thing about my family is there's five of us. Marge, Bart, Girl Bart, the one who doesn't talk, and the fat guy. How I loathe him. (Drunk Homer)
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DesertWolf
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: Krez]
#8699993 - 07/29/08 10:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can equip HVAC systems with isothermal or adiabatic humidification systems to control humidity but its a waste of money as far as im concerned. A water chiller system that does not effect humidity would be useless in my region because everything would dry out in a day or two and then there is the cost. A swamp cooler is the cheapest option and it can make the environment as humid as you need it for just about 200 bucks.
Paul Stamets also talks about the use of Swamp coolers in his book
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Edited by DesertWolf (07/29/08 11:14 PM)
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blackegg
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: themange]
#8700044 - 07/29/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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over at mycotopia they make fun of shroomery.org because everyone is a bunch of know-it-alls.. and I'm starting to think they are right.
Well the know-it-alls have succeeded in chasing another newbie away from here!
EDIT: There are some really cool people here and helpful voices but having to be pissed off first in order to get to them is too much for me.
I deal with enough in regular life and come on-line to relax...not deal with even more shit.
Someone comes on to ask a sincere question and has to wade through 12 condescending and aggravating responses from a different in-group at each forum!
Or is totally ignored as the 'cool' people talk around him.
If it's another 'newbie question' why doncha just ignore it?
...why waste even more of your precious time arguing with the person and pissing everyone off?
THE END Thanks to the people who do try and help others here and spread the word and answer people's questions! You've got thicker skin then I do! Keep up the good work!
The rest can ...well you know.
Edited by blackegg (07/29/08 11:33 PM)
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soulsizzle
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: blackegg]
#8700254 - 07/29/08 11:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry, I quit reading some time ago, as it was giving me a headache. Hope this answers your question (and hasn't been covered already).
Would it be possible to do as you are asking? Yes, it would be possible. And as long as you were balancing humidity and the ammount of fresh air exchange, it would definitely be good for creating good fruiting conditions.
However, as far as simplicity goes. Something like a cool mist humidifier or what others have done with bubblers and blowers would be much easier to set-up. Especially for the conditions that you are explaining you could do this much more easily with the cool mist.
And I still wouldn't worry about filtering the air. Though a coolmist does include a simple filter.
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: blackegg]
#8700837 - 07/30/08 03:36 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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blackegg said:
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over at mycotopia they make fun of shroomery.org because everyone is a bunch of know-it-alls.. and I'm starting to think they are right.
Well the know-it-alls have succeeded in chasing another newbie away from here!
EDIT: There are some really cool people here and helpful voices but having to be pissed off first in order to get to them is too much for me.
I deal with enough in regular life and come on-line to relax...not deal with even more shit.
Someone comes on to ask a sincere question and has to wade through 12 condescending and aggravating responses from a different in-group at each forum!
Or is totally ignored as the 'cool' people talk around him.
If it's another 'newbie question' why doncha just ignore it?
...why waste even more of your precious time arguing with the person and pissing everyone off?
THE END Thanks to the people who do try and help others here and spread the word and answer people's questions! You've got thicker skin then I do! Keep up the good work!
The rest can ...well you know.
am i a good guy or a bad guy?

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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: just me]
#8700851 - 07/30/08 03:48 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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this was all well worth the read
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Re: What about a system that circulates filtered air through the tubs? Has this been explored? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8701011 - 07/30/08 05:56 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow that guy so did not want an answer. He asked and over and over again got a answer the same answer pretty much a good answer and just argued it.
All he wanted was for us to go OMG your amazing this is the best Idea ever and when he didn't get that he was hurt.
We don't agree with his views so he cries.
Fuck him glad to see he's gone.
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