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Coir or Manure for first monotub
    #8692991 - 07/28/08 04:06 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

First off, is it economically and otherwise sensible to use coco coir as a substrate for a monotub?

Then, where can I find it? 

If I should just use manure, how can i find a supplier in the city?

I live in the Pontiac area of MI,and have not had much luck with finding anything other than poultry manure.


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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: dill705]
    #8693000 - 07/28/08 04:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i live 20 mins from queens and i can get manure, im sure you can find it. get coir at a pet store it is the cheapest substrate i have ever found beside composts


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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: C. duckie]
    #8693029 - 07/28/08 04:17 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I just found a place that sells 40 pound bags of cow manure!

Hope this goes better than my last trip to get this stuff. :rolleyes:


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~dill705~

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: dill705]
    #8693051 - 07/28/08 04:22 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I like using coco coir and as do some of my friend that grow. Its also easy to get, you can get it at any pet store, if you have a petco then i know for a fact they have it there.


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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: dill705]
    #8693056 - 07/28/08 04:22 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

coir is lizard bedding, and can be got at any reputable pet store worthy of being in business for ~$6

you can also find it in Hydroponic shops for ~$3.. the local hydro shop is right by my house, so I go there.. its cheaper, and the same stuff..

coir is a GREAT bulk substrate, and I HIGHLY advocate its use.. Poo is great too, but if you cannot find it, then coir is your safest bet...

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8693069 - 07/28/08 04:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

mix the cow manure with the coir to help with the moisture control.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=horse%20manure

white lake is fairly close to pontiac.  I used to pass it going to clutch cargo's all the time.

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: bait_]
    #8693135 - 07/28/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

If I get a bag of dehydrated cow manure, what additives are best.

in RR's vid he says gypsum and vermiculite, but will that add enough to make up for the apparent lack of success found with buying bagged manure?


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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: bait_]
    #8693138 - 07/28/08 04:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

mix the cow manure with the coir to help with the moisture control.




its not needed.. he is asking if its a good replacement, not additive...

coir will hold MORE than enough moisture to take you through the first flush no problem.. then just dunk, patch, and do it again..

if you are really worried about moisture control with coir (which you shouldnt be), then mix in some vermiculite with the water when preparing the coir... you really dont need it, as coir flourishes by itself...

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8693173 - 07/28/08 04:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Since I'm looking at using cow manure, will vermiculite be enough to loosen it up?

I have hyrdrated lime, peat moss, and vermiculite to work with currently, but gypsum is on the way. ny tips for what to use?


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-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: dill705]
    #8693189 - 07/28/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

defiantly add the verm! i would recommend mixing coir and verm to fluff the poop up
edit- gypsum is almost never supposed to be used in mycology


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Edited by grod31 (07/28/08 04:58 PM)

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: dill705]
    #8693198 - 07/28/08 04:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

the peat moss and vermiculite will be for your casing.. I personally recommend a 100% vermiculite casing for a whole plethora of reasons that I will not go into right now, but you can use a 50/50 mix of peat and vermiculite for the casing..

your should mix the poo with straw chopped up in 3-4 inch pieces, and pasteurized.. that is a good mix.. about 35/65 straw/poo ration is what I used to use.. dont worry about vermiculite in the substrate.. you will be fine..

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8693212 - 07/28/08 05:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

How will coir do without any coffee grinds?


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-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: dill705]
    #8693226 - 07/28/08 05:06 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

like this



3rd flush, b+ iso.. 100% straight coir with a 100% straight casing

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8693238 - 07/28/08 05:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I wish I had pics of the first flush.. you couldnt even see the casing.. I literally had to recase it after the first flush..

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8693243 - 07/28/08 05:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Alright. :thumbup:

I have a 60 some liter tub so how many bricks of coir should I use for a four inch substrate?

I see conflicting reports of how greatly it expands is why I ask.


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: dill705]
    #8693262 - 07/28/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

umm.. about 8 times its size..

probably less than 1 brick.. I would say 1 brick to be cool.. they really do get about 8 times their original size... boil a gallon of water, remove from heat, carefully but brick inside, cover tightly, and let sit until 100% cool... thats it.. then, just squeeze the excess water out of each handful before you put it in your tub..

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Re: Coir or Manure for first monotub [Re: dill705]
    #8695518 - 07/29/08 12:25 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

it doesn't matter if you add to much water after you pasteurize you should let it drip dry to field capacity.


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Back the tape up.  I need it again!
Let it roll!  Just as high as the
fucker can go!  And when it comes
to that fantastic note where the
rabbit bites its own head off, I
want you to  THROW THAT FUCKING
RADIO INTO THE TUB WITH ME!
    Not me.  It would blast you through
the wall stone dead in ten
seconds and they'd make me explain
VVVVV Free Myco Thread

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