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whats the difference between grain and brf
    #8693921 - 07/28/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

does the grain give you more potent mushrooms then the brf ?
my 2nd question cakes or casing witch is better?

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: ddtc]
    #8693972 - 07/28/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

spwning cakes to bulk is better i hear that grain is always better, but u should start with brf:smirk:

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: Hauptperson69]
    #8694029 - 07/28/08 07:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

thanks!:) one more ? when i check my jars i expose then to light will that hurt the mcy growth or is it ok?

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: ddtc]
    #8694037 - 07/28/08 07:54 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Checking the jars shouldn't be a problem, as long as it's not prolonged exposure.


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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: Prof. Astro]
    #8694054 - 07/28/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

like 5 to ten Min's is all got like 20 jars so going though them to make sure no contams

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: ddtc]
    #8694113 - 07/28/08 08:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I have started using WBS to make flower instead of BRF. It dose give more nutes than BRF. Much cheaper than rice. I get 40 lb. bags at Lowe's for something like $7.

Cakes are fun but bulk gives you a much better yield.


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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: robanero]
    #8694146 - 07/28/08 08:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

OK this is my first grow and i don't have much confidence so how much hard is it to case?and i know i need to search the tek just waiting for these to grow then will search the tek

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: ddtc]
    #8694205 - 07/28/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

having them in light will affect nothing u need fae to trigger pinning :tongue:

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: Hauptperson69]
    #8694238 - 07/28/08 08:20 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

OK heres a dumb noob question what does F.E.A stand for i know i know that a dumb question

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: ddtc]
    #8694262 - 07/28/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

its FAE and it means Fresh Air Exchange


your mushrooms will need plenty of fresh air. CO2 can collect and that is not good for the mushrooms. so basically the exchange of air with fresh air. that's basically what it is.


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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: willowmp]
    #8694277 - 07/28/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

thank you so every othey day thorw a fan on the FC i drilled 1/4 holes every 2 inchs on all six sides that should help

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: robanero]
    #8694855 - 07/28/08 09:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I have started using WBS to make flower instead of BRF. It dose give more nutes than BRF. Much cheaper than rice. I get 40 lb. bags at Lowe's for something like $7.

Cakes are fun but bulk gives you a much better yield.




Are you throwing the WBS into a grinder to make the flour or am I misunderstanding what you said?

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: robanero]
    #8694916 - 07/28/08 10:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I have started using WBS to make flower instead of BRF. It dose give more nutes than BRF. Much cheaper than rice. I get 40 lb. bags at Lowe's for something like $7.

Cakes are fun but bulk gives you a much better yield.


Hold on. What? While bird seed four in pf cakes instead of brown rice flour? it gives more nutrients??? tell me more about this please. is it harder to use then brown rice flour? If some one knows of a tek please tell me. i really want to know better ways to get more nutrients in brf pf cakes.


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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: goop]
    #8695199 - 07/28/08 10:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I have started using WBS to make flower instead of BRF. It dose give more nutes than BRF. Much cheaper than rice. I get 40 lb. bags at Lowe's for something like $7.

Cakes are fun but bulk gives you a much better yield.


Hold on. What? While bird seed four in pf cakes instead of brown rice flour? it gives more nutrients??? tell me more about this please. is it harder to use then brown rice flour? If some one knows of a tek please tell me. i really want to know better ways to get more nutrients in brf pf cakes.




I can try to help on this one. I believe he means as a substrate in general, WBS has more nutrients to supply then Brown Rice. I am sure you can do the same thing just get some WBS, and use it in place of BR, I don't see why it would be harder. Maybe harder on your grinder. I don't know if there is a TEK but this is your chance to turn the mycology world upside down with a new TEK for massive caps on cakes. I would suggest just trying a WBS tek. I have done both, and would give my nod to WBS although I have experienced good success with both.

Hope I helped :thumbup:.

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: MonstroniuM]
    #8695226 - 07/28/08 11:07 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

AS far as the cake question PLEASE click the link in my Sig,than follow it to the other link I post,PLEASE.

No one on earth should ever have to make BRF unless they live on a planet where owning a pressure cooker carries the death penalty :slitwrist::suicide:

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: Blutjager]
    #8695232 - 07/28/08 11:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

O,by the way,potency is not the reason.The reason is yield for work put in,potency is more or less completely genetic

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: MonstroniuM]
    #8695240 - 07/28/08 11:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

^-- has a great hate for such a user friendly technique, regardless of work to reward effort. :thumbdown:


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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: ddtc]
    #8695262 - 07/28/08 11:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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thank you so every othey day thorw a fan on the FC i drilled 1/4 holes every 2 inchs on all six sides that should help




No, no, no. You should fan your FC with the lid to your FC at least 3-4 times per day. More if you can. Just enough to fan out the air that's in the FC and exchange it for fresh.

Some people have different ideas on how much fanning and for how long. I do about 15 seconds worth 6+ times per day, along with misting.

It really sounds like you should have done a lot more reading before you got started.

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: MonstroniuM]
    #8695269 - 07/28/08 11:17 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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^-- has a great hate for such a user friendly technique, regardless of work to reward effort. :thumbdown:




Indeed:yesnod:,I'm here to help:thumbup:,wish someone would have pointed me in the bulk direction early in the game the way I try and help new people

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: Blutjager]
    #8695366 - 07/28/08 11:42 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

You make a good point, lucky enough for me I only attempted BRF cakes once. Sadly it had just cased them by the time a found/read your siggy link and after it was all said in done was exactly that waste of time/effort. I'd have to say everyone needs to try it once, but only once because BRF cakes hardly fail if you're sanitary and have good spores. Then once you taste success you can elevate it that much more with WBS, etc.

I'd try to help your cause and put the link in my signature but you make it around enough for more then enough people to see it.

Anyways I guess this thread is done, sorry for being a post whore.


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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: MonstroniuM]
    #8696698 - 07/29/08 10:09 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

This pf tek bashing seems to be popular. Yeah only noobs will do cakes, go for bulk if you want yield and so on...

I am glad I started with cakes. Why?

-It is a very forgiving method. Even when your sterile procedures are not good, you have a chance.

-The bio efficiency of pf cakes is unmatched.

-If you lose one cake, no big deal. If you lose your one and only big, big monotub. Game over.

-If it turns to trichoderma, while incubating no big deal, just get rid of the cake. If your monotub or bulk substrate turns green it is to late, you fucked your place with spores, have fun cleaning.


So why not go for pf tek brf the first time?  Fahtster was an eye opener for me. Look at his cakes.



I think it is  also about your frustration level.

What could happen to a person who says fuck pf tek I will do grain from the start. Well he/she could be lucky and everything is just fine. Or like agar who started with rye (But he was a very gifted man).

Or things can go wrong. Field capacity? Never heard of it...
Then you might end up with a lot of fucked up grain jars, no mushrooms, and friends asking what happened to the great mushroom project of yours.


I am still new to this hobby, but I mastered my share of cakes and cased substrates. And there  is still a lot I have to learn!
pf tek deserves more respect.

Edited by pontus (07/29/08 10:11 AM)

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: MonstroniuM]
    #8696795 - 07/29/08 10:39 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

so you can case cakes.i will have to look into the wbs and grain but grain you have to case so i am going to search the tek for casing for next time thanks 4 the help guys

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: MonstroniuM]
    #8697238 - 07/29/08 12:25 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I have started using WBS to make flower instead of BRF. It dose give more nutes than BRF. Much cheaper than rice. I get 40 lb. bags at Lowe's for something like $7.

Cakes are fun but bulk gives you a much better yield.


Hold on. What? While bird seed four in pf cakes instead of brown rice flour? it gives more nutrients??? tell me more about this please. is it harder to use then brown rice flour? If some one knows of a tek please tell me. i really want to know better ways to get more nutrients in brf pf cakes.




I can try to help on this one. I believe he means as a substrate in general, WBS has more nutrients to supply then Brown Rice. I am sure you can do the same thing just get some WBS, and use it in place of BR, I don't see why it would be harder. Maybe harder on your grinder. I don't know if there is a TEK but this is your chance to turn the mycology world upside down with a new TEK for massive caps on cakes. I would suggest just trying a WBS tek. I have done both, and would give my nod to WBS although I have experienced good success with both.

Hope I helped :thumbup:.

Late




OK. The thing is making cakes with WBSF is that it is cheaper than BRF you do every thing in RR cake tek except you grind up WBS and use it in place of BRF. There are a lot more nutes in WBS. I think (IMO) cakes are easier to do and you can do a lot of 1/2 pt or 1/4 pt jars in a much quicker time.

Every NOOB must learn definitions before posting. A casing is simply a non nutritious substance that provides a micro-climate for a substrate. It is not hard. A substrate is a nutritious substance that you spawn your Mycelium or spore to. In this case ground up grain. It can be any of your liking.

Once you have your fully colonized cake you have some choices 1) dunk and roll in verm. This is your casing. Put it into a terrarium and fruit it like that. Or 2) use those cakes to spawn to a bulk substrate like coir.

I recommend all first time growers to do at least 1 flush from cakes. After you have successfully harvester at least 1 flush then spawn those cakes to a bulk grow.

I have done cakes and whole grain successfully I have just recently started cakes again just to do them.

Blut I know you know you shit but I have to go against not only you but a lot of others that say potency is all genetics. It's not nutes have a lot to do with it. If you take the most potent fruit you have an clone and isolate it to what you want and then grow that out on white bleached shit  rice flour and on brown rice and on WBS you will have form, WR, shit cubies with no potency, from BR good potency, and from Wbs better potency. I have had  shrooms from one mycologist that has done that very experiment. I have read post on this forum that have talked about WR grown shrooms with zero potency.

Genetics DO play a Big part in potency but not 100% or even close to it. Differences in grains is not much but it is there.

I hope this didn't come across as me sounding like a DICK, and I hope it explained it to you.

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Re: whats the difference between grain and brf [Re: robanero]
    #8697743 - 07/29/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

yes  you have explained thing better. i want to try different things just not shure about it kinda worried about losing money and all that work for nothing

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