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linx88 said:
So the dutch really feel there is a Fungus Amungus...

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jeetered said:
one problem, they say "humans are animals"

i for one, am a mammal, not an animal. animals have no sense of reasoning, this sounds like utter bullshit.

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jeetered said:
one problem, they say "humans are animals"

i for one, am a mammal, not an animal. animals have no sense of reasoning, this sounds like utter bullshit.

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jeetered said:
one problem, they say "humans are animals"

i for one, am a mammal, not an animal. animals have no sense of reasoning, this sounds like utter bullshit.

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jeetered said:
one problem, they say "humans are animals"

i for one, am a mammal, not an animal. animals have no sense of reasoning, this sounds like utter bullshit.

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There is a good bit of research that has been done which shows that plants, for an example, are a lot more sentient than people give them credit for. When one Soviet scientist, Vladimir Grigorievich Karamanov, was questioned about the novelty of the research of an American peer. He responded "Nothing of the sort! That plants are able to perceive the surrounding world is a truth as old as the world itself. Without perception, adaptation does not and can not exist. If plants had no sense organs and didn't have a means of transmitting and processing information with their own language and memory, they would inevitably perish." I'm sure that you are thinking that this is bullshit too. Maybe that the article was about fungi not plants and how does this relate. The principle though is the same. It was inspired by rigorous testing performed on at least three different continents by a myriad of researchers. To think that you understand with a complete grasp, the mechanics of a universe, which we only see the iceberg's tip there of, is maybe a bit dismissive of the rest. It reminds me of a little piece within Breakfast of Champions where yeast are musing about the nature of life and the universe, making all sorts of grandiose claims. However in the end, they were only eating sugar and suffocating is their excrement to make champagne. In conclusion, how do you define intelligence? If we, who popularly see ourselves as the pinnacle of evolution/creation, kill ourselves off within a small fraction of the time that lets say the dinosaurs took. Maybe think of a plant or a fungi even and how long they have been or will be around vs us. Who is really the more intelligent here? The species of suicidal psychotic apes which weren't happy until they had procreated to a pathogenic level and then killed themselves off  with toys that they barely understood or a species that could have survived at least till the next ice age if not until the sun goes supernova. Its kind of like the idea of sanity. We are all nuts. Its only a question of function.

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Mr Me said:
Fungi and plants have no where near the creative and destructive power of humans. We have more intelligence than they do, that's why we can understand exactly how we are related to Fungi by comparing protein groups.

Yes, it's very unfortunate people are obsessed with materialism and killing each other. But the self preservation urge will triumph and drive living technology and philosophy, as well as evil technology and philosophy.

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