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Looking for advice on this grow plan
    #8690750 - 07/27/08 11:18 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Ok I am somewhat successful grower thus far in my attempts and I would like to try some new methods/techniques.

Here is what I would like to accomplish:
I'm receiving some new spores soon.

* My idea is to inoculate a few quart jars of WBS w/ 2 different strains. Once those colonize I want to spawn them to some poo/straw and make a few small casings. Colonize/Fruit those couple casings (everything up to this point I've done successfully before).

* The next step is to start some liquid cultures via Creamcorn's LC Tek here.

*Once those liquid cultures are thriving I would use it to inject spawn bags as done in the basic shroomery spawn bags tek found here.
(SIDE QUESTION: In this tek it states that you can just sterilize an entire spawnbag of poo/coffee/straw/wbs/grains whatever bulk sub you want in a spawnbag then inoculate it with LC. However, I was under the impression you don't want to sterilize the bulk substrate because it destroys beneficial bacteria. Would using this tek produce as potent of shrooms as if you pasteurized the sub instead of sterilizing it?)

* Then fruiting the colonized spawn bags in mono-tubs.

The reasoning behind this plan is to cut time out of my previous method (spores to fruits, no LC) so that I could have quick access to experiment with different substrates, etc  by using liquid cultures to save me that whole quart jar colonization period. Since I only have spores to start with this is the plan that seemed like the most logical way to go about accomplishing my intent. I'm up for any other suggestions or methods if you think there is an easier way.

Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated.


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Re: Looking for advice on this grow plan [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #8690864 - 07/27/08 11:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

For feedback I would say...                      ...edit your post and instead of having everyone who reads this thread go to another thread to find out what teks you are talking about, just say creamcorn's LC tek, or the basic Shroomery spawn bag tek. This is just a suggestion. Some members will see that you are just posting a link and will say, "F this, I'm gonna read sumthin else". Because they are drunk and they have to go to work tomorrow.

That aside, your plan seems to be a good one. We want pictures! :goodluck:


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Re: Looking for advice on this grow plan [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8690938 - 07/27/08 11:58 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I'll post some pics of my trials and such. Just waiting on the spores to arrive. Thanks for the reply


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Re: Looking for advice on this grow plan [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #8692299 - 07/28/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Any other opinions?

I'm not too sure about growing invitro anymore as I keep reading about people having problems fruiting them. Seems to me though all you would need to do is cut the top half of the bad off and case it, then expose to fruiting conditions.

I'm starting to lean towards going back to just spawning WBS to to the poo substrate via mono tubs and just roll like that. As long as I'm using LC to innoc the WBS then I should have about the same timeframe from start to finish as if I'd gone invitro right?

comments welcome


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"If ignorance is bliss, THEN KNOCK THE SMILE OFF MY FACE!" - Zach de la Rocha

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather!" -Bill Hicks-

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Re: Looking for advice on this grow plan [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #8692308 - 07/28/08 12:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

seems like you did your homework man.

those are tried and true teks so give it a shot.

best of luck, and keep us updated.


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Re: Looking for advice on this grow plan [Re: just me]
    #8693593 - 07/28/08 06:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Can anyone clarify the SIDE QUESTION mentioned in the original post.


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Re: Looking for advice on this grow plan [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #8693649 - 07/28/08 06:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

You seem to have mostly all of your ducks in a row, but the main reason I posted was to answer your side question:

(SIDE QUESTION: In this tek it states that you can just sterilize an entire spawnbag of poo/coffee/straw/wbs/grains whatever bulk sub you want in a spawnbag then inoculate it with LC. However, I was under the impression you don't want to sterilize the bulk substrate because it destroys beneficial bacteria. Would using this tek produce as potent of shrooms as if you pasteurized the sub instead of sterilizing it?)

The reason that you sterilize the bags is because your bulk substrate never touches open air, if it did, the grain in the spawn bags would contaminate, eventually leading to the downfall of the whole bag. Take out the grain and you could pasteurize it, however it still wouldn't be recommended. Pasteurizing is for when you have to introduce a little bit of open air into your Bulk Substrate when combining it with spawn in a monotub, or a tray, because the beneficial micro-organisms will help fight of contamination while your mycelium is colonizing.


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Re: Looking for advice on this grow plan [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #8693669 - 07/28/08 06:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

RR's video shows him sterilizing a woodchip sub so I don't know you you couldn't.


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Re: Looking for advice on this grow plan [Re: robanero]
    #8693894 - 07/28/08 07:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you for the clarification, I think I understand that now. So how do people usually go about fruiting thier colonized invitro substrates? Just transfer them to a vessel of some type, case, and then put in a fruiting chamber/monotub steup?


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