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Cash-less society.
    #8689691 - 07/27/08 07:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

...what a drag that'll be.
And it'll be.

-you cant build that deck for your neighbor in cash.
-you cant buy drugs in cash.
-you cant borrow $50 in cash from your buddy.
-your debit card won't swipe at the gas station..and they don't take cash anymore.

A cash-less society would simply suck!

My point is...could any of you guys fathom NO cash in your wallet?
Or for that matter NO coins in your pocket.

Hey baby...i got like 513 credits on my card...


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Helltick]
    #8690012 - 07/27/08 08:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

not gonna happen


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Helltick]
    #8690719 - 07/27/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i could see some brave new world cyborg  RFID implanted microchip credit card thing happening

LOL


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Helltick]
    #8692233 - 07/28/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

No problem. I hardly use cash on a daily basis anyway, and if it does go away there's always gold silver and to barter with for off the record transactions.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Helltick]
    #8692677 - 07/28/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Haha, yeah how would you buy drugs?

Guess it would be back to the barter system...  "Can I suck your dick for some crack?"

Although that probably already happens frequently.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8693370 - 07/28/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

When there is a cash less society, it'd be so easy to prohibit someone from buying anything.

"You are not authorised to purchase gold"
"You have exceeded your monthly fuel/energy allowance"
"You are on the (terrorist/criminal/sex offender/climate criminal) database, your account is frozen."

A cash less society is the perfect tool for controlling the masses. On the plus side, mugging for cash will cease, whilst mugging for anything of value will skyrocket.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Mr Me]
    #8757335 - 08/11/08 09:34 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

FUCK THAT
the world would be BEAUTIFUL & NATURAL with no money
fuck money,money isnt SHIT..the paper isnt worth a damn thing
its the GOLD STOCK in some fucking bank somewhere

either way, a world of TRADE is a lot better than a world of money
leaving no JOBS, building everything for yourself
growing your own crop
stitching your own loincloth
i mean eventually,if man kind sticks around long enough..
everything will be over prised
there will be no need for money at all
& shits just gonna turn out that way anyway
and I FUCKING WISH
we could just quit the bullshit,& live it naturally now.
:paperbag:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8757360 - 08/11/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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PsilocybinLuvin said:
FUCK THAT
the world would be BEAUTIFUL & NATURAL with no money
fuck money,money isnt SHIT..the paper isnt worth a damn thing
its the GOLD STOCK in some fucking bank somewhere

either way, a world of TRADE is a lot better than a world of money
leaving no JOBS, building everything for yourself
growing your own crop
stitching your own loincloth
i mean eventually,if man kind sticks around long enough..
everything will be over prised
there will be no need for money at all
& shits just gonna turn out that way anyway
and I FUCKING WISH
we could just quit the bullshit,& live it naturally now.
:paperbag:




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i like your style


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8758268 - 08/11/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It's not that there would be no money, it just would all be digital.  And what gold stock?  Our money isn't backed by any commodity.

I think the best thing would be having honest money so that the government can't keep raping us with inflation.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: TODAY]
    #8758557 - 08/11/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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TODAY said:
not gonna happen




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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8759385 - 08/11/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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pothead_bob said:
It's not that there would be no money, it just would all be digital.  And what gold stock?  Our money isn't backed by any commodity.

I think the best thing would be having honest money so that the government can't keep raping us with inflation.





its true,there is no gold in the actual dollar bills
the gold is stashed somewhere in each country
& the country can produced how ever many bills there are
in weight of the gold
:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8759477 - 08/11/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What do you mean by 'in weight of the gold'?


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8759507 - 08/11/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What is money if not a more accommodating measure of trade?


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8759599 - 08/11/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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pothead_bob said:
What do you mean by 'in weight of the gold'?





The amount of gold they have:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8759605 - 08/11/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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What is money if not a more accommodating measure of trade?




a worthless matter of green paper
thats hurts society more than helps it
:volcano:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8759616 - 08/11/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Barter system is totally the way to go.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8759682 - 08/11/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

How many chickens would it cost me to get a car?  :lol:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8759880 - 08/11/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

A barter system would completely destroy millions of peoples livelihoods (including my own).  I was a pizza driver... in your system I would get paid in pizzas and tipped in random trinkets, then have to trade that stuff for gas and rent before it spoils?  Now Im a tutor... what would the college pay me with?  Education?  :lol:

I hope you barter people are kidding because, seriously even little kids know better than this...


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8759884 - 08/11/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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PsilocybinLuvin said:
a worthless matter of green paper
thats hurts society more than helps it




Currency itself hurts society?  How?


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8759913 - 08/11/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I think they mean because of the greed it creates.  Instead of just getting what you need to survive, you're compelled to collect as much wealth as you can.  That wouldn't be as easy or desireable to do using a barter system instead of money.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8759933 - 08/11/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

A barter system would only work in small communities.

Say you are a builder. A barber wants you to build his house. How would this barber trade anything of value for your building his house?

Money is nothing but a barter system as well. You trade your services or goods for a symbolic currency, which is then able to be bartered for other services or goods.

In a large scale economy, there is no way a barter system could support the population. It's just not feasible. It's cute and quirky to suggest it, but really it stems from a lack of thought into the situation.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8759954 - 08/11/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sure there was greed and hoarding long before money existed.  I think the blame is misplaced.

I don't want to be paid in pizzas either.  Currency improves quality of life, IMO.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8760081 - 08/11/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I think they mean because of the greed it creates.  Instead of just getting what you need to survive, you're compelled to collect as much wealth as you can.  That wouldn't be as easy or desireable to do using a barter system instead of money.




good thing youre open minded or id have to explain all that myself:paperbag:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8760224 - 08/11/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sure greed existed before the invention of a currency, but I think that a currency makes it easier to be greedy because you can easily store your wealth.  If you get paid in chickens and milk, it's not as easy to amass a big hoarde.

Despite this, though, I think a monetary system makes things a lot easier. 

Did you know Virgina's monetary system used to be based on tobacco in colonial times?  People would pay each other in tobacco.  If inflation got out of control because too much tobacco was in circulation, the tobacco would be worth less, so people would smoke it.  That would then reduce the money supply and combat inflation.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8760716 - 08/11/08 11:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)


i CANT believe you completely agree that money has brung no devastation
to human life in general
:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8760739 - 08/11/08 11:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Money is incapable of bringing destruction.  Its a piece of paper, or a digit on a disk - it is inanimate.  People bring devastation, money is just going along for a ride.

If you plot the standard of living vs. usage of fiat money you see a direct correlation.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: DieCommie]
    #8760903 - 08/11/08 11:54 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

bullshit.
lots of people die over money
whether its the cause lacking it or owing it
throw some 3rd world countries in there


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8761114 - 08/12/08 12:49 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Money doesn't cause people to do that, though. The choices they make do.

Money is an inanimate object and can't do anything itself.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8761792 - 08/12/08 07:11 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't say that money doesn't catalize a lot of suffering.  I believe it does.  But as others are saying, it's human greed that is the root of the problem.  Taking money away wouldn't be the solution.

It's like the war on drugs.  Drugs aren't the problem.  It's the way people use them.  Instead of taking drugs away and throwing people in prison, we should be educating and rehabilitating people with problems.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8762004 - 08/12/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)



it obviously causes it because if it didn't exist, the problems wouldn't exist .
:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762010 - 08/12/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Inanimate objects don't cause suffering, people do. Stop arguing if you're not going to address my comments.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762023 - 08/12/08 09:24 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)


fine, ill stop arguing
think what you want
:sheesha:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762108 - 08/12/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

So, are you saying that if there were no money in the form of currency, there wouldn't be greed and people taking advantage of others for personal gain?


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762114 - 08/12/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

So you'd rather stop debating than address a legitimate point?


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762200 - 08/12/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You just stay a money lover.:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762250 - 08/12/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I will. You keep disliking money without thinking of the consequences of a world with no money.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762267 - 08/12/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)


i know you will
:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762268 - 08/12/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

And I know you will too. It's easy to believe something without thinking of the consequences.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762280 - 08/12/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i definitely have thought about the consequences. :paperbag:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762282 - 08/12/08 10:51 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently not.

If there was no money, how would you procure drugs? What specialized skills would a drug dealer want that you have?


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762300 - 08/12/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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PsilocybinLuvin said:
FUCK THAT
the world would be BEAUTIFUL & NATURAL with no money
fuck money,money isnt SHIT..the paper isnt worth a damn thing
its the GOLD STOCK in some fucking bank somewhere

either way, a world of TRADE is a lot better than a world of money
leaving no JOBS, building everything for yourself
growing your own crop
stitching your own loincloth
i mean eventually,if man kind sticks around long enough..
everything will be over prised
there will be no need for money at all
& shits just gonna turn out that way anyway
and I FUCKING WISH
we could just quit the bullshit,& live it naturally now.
:paperbag:




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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762409 - 08/12/08 11:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

How would you grow crops if you don't have land?

Not everyone can learn specialized trades that can be bartered for other trades. That's why we have money, to act as sort of a middle man. It is impossible for a large population to be supported by a barter system.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762420 - 08/12/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

People have as much capability to live completely on their own as animals
some are doing it right now:thumbdown:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762430 - 08/12/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I would say 99% of the people do not and can not.

If they don't own land, they can't grow crops, which is necessary to survive. Where would your fresh water come from? These are things bought with money now. How would you get them in a barter system?


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762454 - 08/12/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

fuck all systems.
living off of life

its too damn bad people have no clue of survival without money


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762476 - 08/12/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You keep responding without any answers.

How would YOU survive without any money. Show me you've actually thought about this and aren't just saying it.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762484 - 08/12/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i got the words but i cant speak
i dont want to argue anymore
so i just respond:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762498 - 08/12/08 11:55 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I can imagine it.  I use cash less than once a month.  Everything is digital for me.  It makes everything so much easier.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: badchad]
    #8762924 - 08/12/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I think PsilocybinLuvin is talking about no money at all.  Digital money is still money.  At this point of the discussion, the debate is over a monetary system or a barter system.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8763439 - 08/12/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i wasnt exactly talkin the exact rules of a barter system either
no getting paid in valuables
but if a neighbor that has an item that you need
& you have an item that theyd need
you should surely freely trade
but as for survival each person should build their own house
& grow their own crop
& there is enough land!
way enough land
im sure populations have grown tons because of modern technology that money has been running
survival of the fittest would be put into place
and fit will remain
and it will be natural
and more peaceful than this moment in time

:stoner:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8763864 - 08/12/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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PsilocybinLuvin said:
i wasnt exactly talkin the exact rules of a barter system either
no getting paid in valuables
but if a neighbor that has an item that you need
& you have an item that theyd need
you should surely freely trade
but as for survival each person should build their own house
& grow their own crop
& there is enough land!
way enough land
im sure populations have grown tons because of modern technology that money has been running
survival of the fittest would be put into place
and fit will remain
and it will be natural
and more peaceful than this moment in time

:stoner:




The kinds of uncivilized societies you are talking about historically provided short and brutal lives for people.  Currency is one of many innovations that has improved quality of life across the board.  By all accounts life was not better before there was money. 

It is a misconception that the world is less peaceful today than it has been in the past, and I think it's mainly because televisions deliver concentrated violence and unrest directly into our living rooms.  The news we receive is disproportionately bad, and it creates legions of jaded cynics who think they know exactly what's happening around the world.  Nobody does; the world is so vast, even the most well-traveled and well-read person sees only a tiny bit of the big picture, and 99% of that is composed of information that is at best second-hand.

There are tons of problems in society, there have always been, and money is involved in some of them, yes.  People fight over anything of value.  It's not the things that cause the problems, it is human behavior, our very survival-of-the-fittest nature that causes greed and exploitation.  Getting rid of money will not change that part of humanity.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Helltick]
    #8763935 - 08/12/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

wrong, i dont watch tv
currency has only made the greed in people stronger
i never said taking away currency would take away the greed
i said that the money is worthless
living naturally or not, people will always be shitty


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8764009 - 08/12/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Whatever works for you.  Blame and cynicism never did a thing for me, I wish I hadn't wasted so much time on them.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8764090 - 08/12/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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living naturally or not, people will always be shitty




This is true, but it's because it's animal nature.  All creatures will strive to be dominant.  That's just survival instinct.  I think it's our (humans') higher complexity of thought and our complex society that enables us to be capable of doing more good.  Unfortuneatly, it also makes us capable of doing exreme amounts of bad.  Hopefully, we can move to a more compassionate civilization and shake off some of our animal instincts that are no longer necessary.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8764129 - 08/12/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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currency has only made the greed in people stronger




Prove it.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8764677 - 08/12/08 07:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

no.
:thebird:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8764876 - 08/12/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Redstorm wins the debate.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: DieCommie]
    #8764899 - 08/12/08 08:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)



fine by me


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8765090 - 08/12/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

ya win some, ya lose some  :ohwell:


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    #8771258 - 08/13/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:phreaklove:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8799119 - 08/20/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

PsilocybinLuvin said:
FUCK THAT
the world would be BEAUTIFUL & NATURAL with no money
fuck money,money isnt SHIT..the paper isnt worth a damn thing
its the GOLD STOCK in some fucking bank somewhere
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Nixon Severed the last ties our money had to Gold, a process that started with FDR.

http://www.working-minds.com/money.htm

This is a very good speech about money.


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