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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8759933 - 08/11/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

A barter system would only work in small communities.

Say you are a builder. A barber wants you to build his house. How would this barber trade anything of value for your building his house?

Money is nothing but a barter system as well. You trade your services or goods for a symbolic currency, which is then able to be bartered for other services or goods.

In a large scale economy, there is no way a barter system could support the population. It's just not feasible. It's cute and quirky to suggest it, but really it stems from a lack of thought into the situation.

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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8759954 - 08/11/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sure there was greed and hoarding long before money existed.  I think the blame is misplaced.

I don't want to be paid in pizzas either.  Currency improves quality of life, IMO.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8760081 - 08/11/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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I think they mean because of the greed it creates.  Instead of just getting what you need to survive, you're compelled to collect as much wealth as you can.  That wouldn't be as easy or desireable to do using a barter system instead of money.




good thing youre open minded or id have to explain all that myself:paperbag:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8760224 - 08/11/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sure greed existed before the invention of a currency, but I think that a currency makes it easier to be greedy because you can easily store your wealth.  If you get paid in chickens and milk, it's not as easy to amass a big hoarde.

Despite this, though, I think a monetary system makes things a lot easier. 

Did you know Virgina's monetary system used to be based on tobacco in colonial times?  People would pay each other in tobacco.  If inflation got out of control because too much tobacco was in circulation, the tobacco would be worth less, so people would smoke it.  That would then reduce the money supply and combat inflation.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8760716 - 08/11/08 11:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)


i CANT believe you completely agree that money has brung no devastation
to human life in general
:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8760739 - 08/11/08 11:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Money is incapable of bringing destruction.  Its a piece of paper, or a digit on a disk - it is inanimate.  People bring devastation, money is just going along for a ride.

If you plot the standard of living vs. usage of fiat money you see a direct correlation.

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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: DieCommie]
    #8760903 - 08/11/08 11:54 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

bullshit.
lots of people die over money
whether its the cause lacking it or owing it
throw some 3rd world countries in there


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8761114 - 08/12/08 12:49 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Money doesn't cause people to do that, though. The choices they make do.

Money is an inanimate object and can't do anything itself.

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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8761792 - 08/12/08 07:11 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't say that money doesn't catalize a lot of suffering.  I believe it does.  But as others are saying, it's human greed that is the root of the problem.  Taking money away wouldn't be the solution.

It's like the war on drugs.  Drugs aren't the problem.  It's the way people use them.  Instead of taking drugs away and throwing people in prison, we should be educating and rehabilitating people with problems.


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8762004 - 08/12/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)



it obviously causes it because if it didn't exist, the problems wouldn't exist .
:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762010 - 08/12/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Inanimate objects don't cause suffering, people do. Stop arguing if you're not going to address my comments.

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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762023 - 08/12/08 09:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)


fine, ill stop arguing
think what you want
:sheesha:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762108 - 08/12/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

So, are you saying that if there were no money in the form of currency, there wouldn't be greed and people taking advantage of others for personal gain?


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762114 - 08/12/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

So you'd rather stop debating than address a legitimate point?

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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762200 - 08/12/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

You just stay a money lover.:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762250 - 08/12/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I will. You keep disliking money without thinking of the consequences of a world with no money.

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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762267 - 08/12/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)


i know you will
:bongload:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762268 - 08/12/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

And I know you will too. It's easy to believe something without thinking of the consequences.

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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: Redstorm]
    #8762280 - 08/12/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i definitely have thought about the consequences. :paperbag:


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Re: Cash-less society. [Re: PsilocybinLuvin]
    #8762282 - 08/12/08 10:51 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Apparently not.

If there was no money, how would you procure drugs? What specialized skills would a drug dealer want that you have?

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