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I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry?
    #8687812 - 07/27/08 10:27 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I used a total of one and a half syringes for six jars. I used most of the excess in one jar because i just kept injecting until I saw liquid go down and didnt realize that I was injecting too much. What happens when a cake has too much water? The cakes are pretty dark looking, but I strained out the mix so I think ill be ok. I used so much solution because the solution had a hard time running down the side of the jars.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8687821 - 07/27/08 10:29 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

What do you mean you "strained out the mix?"

Cakes that are too wet will take longer to colonize and possibly halt if excess moisture is very high.

15cc's is a lot for 6 jars! I knocked up 6 jars today with about 5 or 6 cc's.


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: Ledd]
    #8687823 - 07/27/08 10:30 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I put the vermiculite into a strainer to get out all the extra water. I used that much liquid because the beads of water weren't running down the side of the jar without a lot being let in.

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    #8687836 - 07/27/08 10:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: sinzok]
    #8687839 - 07/27/08 10:34 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

nah, i strained the verm before putting in the brown rice flour.


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    #8687844 - 07/27/08 10:37 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: sinzok]
    #8687863 - 07/27/08 10:43 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just worried that I added too much solution.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8687878 - 07/27/08 10:45 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

That cake looks friggin soaked.


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8687879 - 07/27/08 10:46 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Just watch them. I think you'll be OK.


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: robanero]
    #8687923 - 07/27/08 11:01 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

you should be fine i have used around 4 cc by accident a few times because I always have a problem with the fuckin needles cause you gotta push hard but not too hard and I end up pushin a little too hard and I empty alot more than recomended.  But they still showed growth.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: grasshrum]
    #8687964 - 07/27/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

take the foil off, it should help them dry out.  The verm layer will act as a buffer to contams.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: grasshrum]
    #8687972 - 07/27/08 11:25 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i just put the needle against the glass and watch for the spirt of spore solution to hit the glass then i pull out.

i never look at the syringe.

just easier to be more visual with the jars than fumble around trying to watch the syringe.



should be fine tho?
if your sub. isnt to wet already.
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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: seagul]
    #8687993 - 07/27/08 11:29 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Ya take the foil off.


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: Ledd]
    #8688007 - 07/27/08 11:32 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

If I were you, I'd worry about how much I'm spending on my syringes! :syringe:

You should be okay. (100% colonization in an hour?) :calledajoke:


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8688086 - 07/27/08 11:58 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Oh crap, you think the cakes are too wet? Are you sure i should take the foil off? For how long should I?

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8688117 - 07/27/08 12:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

its best to cycle it

like take the foil off for a few hours and then reapply

id say a 12on 12off schedule.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: just me]
    #8688126 - 07/27/08 12:11 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I took the foil off and topped off the dry vermiculite. The level of vermiculite/BRF dropped for some reason, so I took the liberty of wiping off the rims again and topping it off with some more vermiculite. Shit, I just thought of something. The new vermiculite hasn't been pressure cooked. Fuck. Oh well, it shouldn't really make a difference, should it?

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8688132 - 07/27/08 12:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I took the foil off and topped off the dry vermiculite. The level of vermiculite/BRF dropped for some reason, so I took the liberty of wiping off the rims again and topping it off with some more vermiculite. Shit, I just thought of something. The new vermiculite hasn't been pressure cooked. Fuck. Oh well, it shouldn't really make a difference, should it?





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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8688137 - 07/27/08 12:16 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Shit. Should I just chuck the shit and start over?

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8688148 - 07/27/08 12:23 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

lol
everyone is just fucking your tree
id say too soon to chuck anything bud,
just keep foil off, put in a isolated clean (!) place without air currants and LEAVE THEM ALONE for at least a week

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: Krackers]
    #8688154 - 07/27/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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lol
everyone is just fucking your tree
id say too soon to chuck anything bud,
just keep foil off, put in a isolated clean (!) place without air currants and LEAVE THEM ALONE for at least a week

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: Krackers]
    #8688157 - 07/27/08 12:27 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, but if it's likely i just contaminated all of the jars i'd rather just start over and have a better shot.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8688162 - 07/27/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

so those dont have lids? Just a foil top?


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: beengonetoolong]
    #8688213 - 07/27/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

you can't reuse anything in the case they are contaminated and you wouldn't want to try anyway.

Except of course for the jars or glasses with foil lids or whatever your using (eyesight failing), but cmon only six how cheap are those, go secure yourself another case,
punch 4 holes in the lids with a small nail n hammer and if your really trying to get growing rebatch and good luck.

But yeah i'd still wait to toss those cause you never know ( i sure don't, i havn't seen the cough*adjustments you've described)

Verm is inorganic? and even unbaked if dry prob has little contams (but hey this is no mycologist talking) and mycellium can be resiliant and all that jazz, so just wait a few and see what comes, you spent enough on the syringes im sure, and decontamin' be easy with lysol brudda

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: beengonetoolong]
    #8688214 - 07/27/08 12:45 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone know if I seriously messed up by adding the dry vermiculite? The tin foil tops are currently off. Should I put them back on soon?

Edited by stainer711 (07/27/08 12:50 PM)

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: Krackers]
    #8688226 - 07/27/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

quit messin with them


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: just me]
    #8688241 - 07/27/08 12:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

ok

im a newb myself

but please, for the sake of my sanity, just put the foil back on, after a quick disinfect spray, and leave it be for a week.
At that time go back to them and look for growth, if all seems normal you might consider putting a FEW little holes or lossening the foil-being-used-as-lids if stalling occurs later down the line (week 2.5 ish)

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8688244 - 07/27/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

No one is messing with him as far as I see.

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Anyone know if I seriously messed up by adding the dry vermiculite? The tin foil tops are currently off. Should I put them back on soon?




The dry verm should have been added when you made the jars, not after inoculation.

You should make yourself some lids with 4 holes drilled/punched in them next time.

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ok

At that time go back to them and look for growth, if all seems normal you might consider putting a FEW little holes or lossening the foil-being-used-as-lids if stalling occurs later down the line (week 2.5 ish)






The jars need Gas Exchange from now on out. Lack of Gas Exchange is what will stall or completely stop the growth.

Just let the jars be and see what happens. The worst that could happen is contams which would yield you nothing.

On the other hand, you could throw them out which would yield you nothing.

Which one would you choose?

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: just me]
    #8688246 - 07/27/08 12:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

If you haven't done so already, you should watch these videos on the PF tek; they'll answer many of the questions that you have, and show you how to do it properly.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: VV Cephei]
    #8688254 - 07/27/08 01:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

The pf tek doesn't say anything about gas exchange. I already added a layer of dry vermiculite to begin with. The level of soil went down, though, and I thought I would add some more. I have six small garbage cans, and i'm thinking about doubling up the jars in each and making a whole new batch so that i'm guaranteed at least some success.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8688279 - 07/27/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Read This  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?fpart=all&Board=Forum2&Number=1226637

If you have more Solution, and more ingredients I would suggest watching RR's videos found HERE and follow this tek step by step.

As far as 15cc's for 6 jars, the worst that could happen there is the moisture content is thrown way off and they will not do what you are hoping for or will take a very long time to do it. Give em a shot though.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8688342 - 07/27/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

anyone have a clue as to what the unsterile vermiculite might do?

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8688369 - 07/27/08 01:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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anyone have a clue as to what the unsterile vermiculite might do?




If you don,t have any lid other than the tin foil... then took the foil off to add dry verm that isn't sterile then all of your jars will be no good.  Sorry man. 

Next time, 4 hooles in the lid with poly fill in the holes and then foil for boiling/pc'ing.  You could also leave the hole open.  Then take foil off and let them do their thing.  The more you mess with them, the more you will set them back.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: WhiteBunny]
    #8688401 - 07/27/08 01:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone makes mistakes! The other day I was steam sterilizing 7 jars on the stove, came to my room, got lost on the shroomery for a couple hours and had completely forgotten about them. The water had all evaporated and it was just cooking the glass! needless to say all the jars were cracked and completely fucked!

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: letsdothis]
    #8689000 - 07/27/08 04:20 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

well, i just put another six jars in the PC. I'm just going to use the aluminum foil without the metal lids. I'm following the tek to the T this time. So far everything is going perfect. As I said earlier, I had some dry verm in the jars when I put some more in, so who knows, it might work out for them. As for the new six, I'm very confident that these will do well. If not I get one more chance with one more spore syringe. I'm following a different tek next time if none of my 12 specimens yield.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8689061 - 07/27/08 04:37 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

All teks that use BRF cakes are mostly the same with slight variations.

If you don't succeed, you need to work on your sterile techniques.

If you fail at one PF tek, you most likely will fail at another if you can't correct your issues you are having prior to birthing your cakes.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8689070 - 07/27/08 04:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, man. I'm being very careful. No mold yet! (LOL)

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8689164 - 07/27/08 05:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Also, in the PC the jars only have the 3 layers of tin foil and nothing else between the verm and the steam. Is this enough to keep water out of the jars? On the vid I just watched it said not to let the water touch the jars. Well, the water level is a half inch up the base of the jars. Nothing I can do about it now. :frown: I wish that would have been written on the tek. I don't have the jars touching the bottom of the pot, though, so that's good.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8689215 - 07/27/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

You will be fine.


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8689739 - 07/27/08 07:27 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Why wouldn't you use the lids?


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: Ledd]
    #8689828 - 07/27/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Why wouldn't you use the lids?




I have been wondering that all day.

I believe he may have followed the PF Tek for simple minds.

I don't know why anyone wouldn't use lids if using jars.

Glasses I can understand, if you must use glasses.


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8690060 - 07/27/08 08:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't feel like buying nails and a hammer :P. I'll include the lids next batch if this one doesn't work out. About the six jars I inoculated earlier, people use dry vermiculite to cover cakes that are about to fruit. If it's clean enough to be used for this, why can't it be clean enough to put on top of an existing layer of dry vermiculite? After thinking about the issue hard I don't see why it automatically means my jars are effed.

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: stainer711]
    #8690282 - 07/27/08 09:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

It doesn't mean your jars are F*#Ked.

Cakes that are rolled in dry verm are just that, Colonized cakes.

Once myc has colonized the sub 100% it is almost 100% resistant to any sort of contamination.

That is why sterility in a FC is not an issue.

Wet sub on the other hand, just inoculated with ms, is a race against the myc, and any other outside contams that may have reached it.

If you can get these jars to colonize 100% without any funky shit showing up, kudos to you my friend.

I believe everyone here has helped as much as possible on this thread.

Now it is time that you go do some searching, and read until your brain hurts.

Everything you need to know is right here on this site.

It's just up to you to find it, and suck it up.

Good luck bro.


BTW, I am not trying to flame anyone.  :wink:


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Someone actually said: "some 1 told me to try long brown rice and water and vermiculite and pressure cook for 1 hour i did but nothing happen that is y was wonting to no if i need spores ""

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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8690394 - 07/27/08 10:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

true everything on this site is here but sometimes reading to much from many different people messes with my judgement and makes me double think and question things


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Re: I used 1 and a half syringes on six jars. Should I worry? [Re: deathw]
    #8690802 - 07/27/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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deathw said:
true everything on this site is here but sometimes reading to much from many different people messes with my judgement and makes me double think and question things




Even the pros are constantly double thinking and questioning things, that's actually a good thing.  You'll get the hang of it.  Count to ten, take deep breaths...

:goodluck:


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    #8690838 - 07/27/08 11:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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