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 Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday 
#8684825 - 07/26/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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And America is the bad-guy of the two?
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/26/iran.hangings/index.html
TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Thirty people convicted of drug and other criminal charges will be hanged on Sunday, Iran's semi-official Fars News Agency reported Saturday.
A convicted Iranian drug dealer is hanged from a crane in the southern city of Shiraz in September.
A convicted Iranian drug dealer is hanged from a crane in the southern city of Shiraz in September.
The 30 had their cases tried by the highest judicial authorities and were found guilty of the charges brought against them, Iran's judiciary said in a statement.
The verdicts are final, and the sentences will be carried out Sunday, according to Fars.
According to Amnesty International, Iran executed 317 people last year, second only to China's 470. The U.S. executed 42 people in 2007, according to Amnesty International.
The Iranian judiciary's statement said that all 30 were convicted of crimes including murder, murder in commission of a crime, disturbing public safety and security, being a public nuisance while drunk and being involved in illegal relationships -- relationships between men and women who are not married to each other.
Kidnapping and using weapons while committing a crime were among the charges.
The statement said that 20 of the people were convicted of drug and alcohol dealing, armed robbery and smuggling arms.
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The judiciary said it will provide more details later as to the crimes committed by those condemned and added that the hangings should serve as a warning to those who are contemplating committing such crimes.
Others are awaiting trial, and their sentences will be carried out as soon as the verdicts are pronounced by the courts, the judiciary said.
The judiciary asked the public to notify the authorities if they have any information that might lead to arrest and convictions of criminals.
Iran's government launched a campaign March 20 to increase public security and bring the crime rate down.
Police cracked down on drug dealers, whom they called criminal gang members, and habitual criminals who use guns in the commission of their crime. Alleged weapons smugglers and people who break social and religious laws, including adulterers, were also targets.
National television showed scenes of what were described as criminals being paraded in chains as a deterrent to others. The wave of arrests has subsided, as officials are now prosecuting the suspects and sentencing those convicted.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8684847 - 07/26/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Amen, sir.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8684851 - 07/26/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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And America is the bad-guy of the two?
Only a fringe believe such a thing.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
#8684855 - 07/26/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was speaking to the vocal minority who frequent the Politics Forum here.
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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy
He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8684891 - 07/26/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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They're part of the Iranian regime.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8685026 - 07/26/08 04:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said:
And America is the bad-guy of the two?
Keywords: Of the two
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8685085 - 07/26/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said:
I was speaking to the vocal minority who frequent the Politics Forum here.
Ahh, right. Well you wont get any criticism from me.
Even the fact that they do their executions publicly is fucked up. If you are going to execute a criminal it should be done privately and somberly with a detached logic. It should not be reveled in and publicly flaunted as is done in Iran.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
#8685093 - 07/26/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you click the link you can see pictures of an Iranian criminal being hung from a construction crane in a city square!
Good ol' Iran. Boy, I bet they're just misunderstood.
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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8685216 - 07/26/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said:
If you click the link you can see pictures of an Iranian criminal being hung from a construction crane in a city square!
Are you familiar with the way propaganda is suppose to work?
Oh Noes! Iran is such a terrible place! The USA is the only one who can step in and safe those poor people! It will make us feel better about who we are, by shouldering this great burden to give them freedom, like we have! Drug dealers will only be punished with a decade of rape in overcrowded cells, which is so much more humane than killing them outright!
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#8685230 - 07/26/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you kidding? There are countless examples here of people favorably comparing the Iranian Gov't w/ that of the US...
Here's disco_cat arguing that Iran could never be developing nuclear weapons and that surely the US was lying when making such a claim. You'll note that well after this statement was made Iran admitted to having a nuclear program. But they would never lie...
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So who do you believe, the people who incessantly prove themselves to be liers and war-mongerers, or the person who as of yet has no evidence stacked against his claim of a peacful nuclear program?
Russian President Putin, the outside-of-Iran person with the closest ties to Iran's nuclear program, and who has very good relations with Iran in general, is extremely against the idea of Iran possessing nukes, and is totally convinced that nukes are not a part of Iran's plan.
During his recent visit to Iran he said this:
All of the Caspian littoral states belong to the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons under the inviolable condition that all our states have the right to develop their peaceful nuclear programmes without any restrictions.
I think the motive might be more about regional control than it is about oil.
Here's Brain saying that Iran is a great country with pure motives, even though they're aiding and abetting terrorists...
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And maybe Iran IS trying to become a superpower again. Maybe they are funding people to attack us. I'm not saying it's right but it IS a relaliation against our own meddling in their affairs. We wouldn't stand for anyone else trying to fuck with us so why should another country have to put up with it? If we just leave them alone I don't think they're going to try to launch an attack against America or ISREAL. I think they just want their DIGNITY and they'd be happy with this alone. That's all anyone wants... is to feel proud to be from their country and it's hard to do this when everyone keeps trying to stick their noses in your business. If we just treat other country's with respect and stop telling them how to live, maybe we will be able to live in peace and harmony. Maybe then it will be a lot easier to tell the difference between a ruler who's an asshole to his own people and the rulers who REALLY want to take over the world like Hitler. Bad things will always happen in this world. You'll always have Hitlers. If we all just mind our own business, then it will be easier to identify them and rally the world against them if you practice what you preach. If you want to fight an evil enemy, then you need not to fight them just to keep your own interests intact but you need to fight them with a clear conscience... and for the right reasons. If you do this, you'll find yourself with every other nation standing behind you, and without any doubt about your righteousness, not with only 51% of your OWN country behind you.
And here's a whole thread full of people arguing that Iran is justified in hanging little kids, and that US is a terrible place.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7585992#7585992
This place is full of anti-American bias. Don't tell me you're shocked by that.
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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy
He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Minstrel]
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8685277 - 07/26/08 06:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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You make it seem like you don't understand that there is a clear difference between enriching uranium and building nukes. The former of which was never denied by Iran, and is not firm evidence of the latter.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8685307 - 07/26/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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What I'm wondering is where is this vocal Pro-Iranian minority your talking about? Granted I don't check many of the elections related posts, but I haven't read anything from them. Though a few of the guys in mush cult who are always bragging about how their mistress looks in a birka have stopped posting recently.
Too bad Mushmed al Growalot had some awesome growlogs.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: ScavengerType]
#8685341 - 07/26/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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What I'm wondering is where is this vocal Pro-Iranian minority your talking about?
I asked the same thing. He already replied, they are regulars of this forum. You can find them in the links he posted.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8685373 - 07/26/08 07:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wouldn't say that the US is the bad-guy of the two. But it's important to remember that the US installed the current Iranian regime, replacing its democracy. So the US is at least partly to blame (though not necessarily for the situation at hand).
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: zouden]
#8685386 - 07/26/08 07:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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The US installed the ayatollah? I dont think so... the US installed the shaw, and they rebelled and installed their own ayatollah.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: zouden]
#8685396 - 07/26/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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the US installed the current Iranian regime, replacing its democracy.
Wrong, try again. Look-up Mossadeq, Operation Ajax, Shah, and Iranian revolution. Get your chronology right.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
#8685405 - 07/26/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd like to point out that none of the posts he pointed out declare legal or living conditions in Iran to be greater than in America. I doubt as many Iranians are happy with their legal system as Americans, who send drug dealers away to have to be adultered upon in prison.
I am pretty sure that the reason these statements inflame is because of their respective opposing sides on foreign policy.
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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
#8685430 - 07/26/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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But it's important to remember that the US installed the current Iranian regime, replacing its democracy. So the US is at least partly to blame (though not necessarily for the situation at hand).
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Seriously? You desperately need to brush up on your history before you prove yourself to be any more uninformed.
We installed the Ayatollahs... HA!
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
#8685490 - 07/26/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
The US installed the ayatollah? I dont think so... the US installed the shaw, and they rebelled and installed their own ayatollah.
the US is pretty well known for the act of helping government install one form of government and then helping to overt throw that one and reinstalling another, Haiti is a prime example
http://www.sheldensays.com/Com-nine.htm
http://www.questionwar.com/US_interventions.html
if you believe that we were not more involved that just having Carter endorse a 'holy man' you're sadly mistaken
http://jedyoong.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/iran-ayatollah-khomeini-and-the-fall-of-persia/
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Minstrel]
#8685590 - 07/26/08 08:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah yes, I was getting my chronology mixed up, thanks for correcting me 
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: zouden]
#8685618 - 07/26/08 08:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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in this case, even though you were mistaken, you were still correct
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8685639 - 07/26/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:if you believe that we were not more involved that just having Carter endorse a 'holy man' you're sadly mistaken
http://jedyoong.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/iran-ayatollah-khomeini-and-the-fall-of-persia/
Where's the part with anything more than blind assertion?
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: thedefone]
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8687981 - 07/27/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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so there is something that bush/mccain agree with ayatollahs...its a long way from stopping a war..but it might be a start  ...
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Annapurna1]
#8688009 - 07/27/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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so there is something that bush/mccain agree with ayatollahs...its a long way from stopping a war..but it might be a start ...
What, public hangings of drug dealers and adulterers? Source?
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
#8688247 - 07/27/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just as an aside, about public hangings and how icky they are:
If a population chooses to execute criminals, it might as well be done publicly. The people should have to see the consequences of their 'justice' and how it is dispensed.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Minstrel]
#8689096 - 07/27/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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But they totally get into it! Yelling and throwing stuff. The people who are turned off by it just stay at home.
I think you're better off not making it a spectacle because it's not supposed to be gratifying for the people (even the victims).
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: zouden]
#8690959 - 07/28/08 12:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it should be televised, maybe it'll have others
reconsidering the same course of action, maybe it'll be a PPV
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8694694 - 07/28/08 09:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Heh I think public executions is better than secret executions and ambiguous prosecution procedures (like the SU under Stalin).
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: ScavengerType]
#8694711 - 07/28/08 09:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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there are no repeat offenders with an execution
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: ScavengerType]
#8694733 - 07/28/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Heh I think public executions is better than secret executions and ambiguous prosecution procedures (like the SU under Stalin).
That is a false dichotomy though! Better to have them private, and non-secret.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
#8694799 - 07/28/08 09:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Perhaps you are right about the false dichotomy.
But, I really think it should be public because publicity will, even though through fear, notify the public of the seriousness of the punishment for those offenses.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: ScavengerType]
#8694834 - 07/28/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think public executions would have the opposite effect... they increase the public's bloodlust and desensitize people to the gravity of execution. (like ancient rome, medieval europe, modern iran...)
Public executions and public bloodlust seem to go hand in hand.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
#8694950 - 07/28/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
I think public executions would have the opposite effect... they increase the public's bloodlust and desensitize people to the gravity of execution. (like ancient rome, medieval europe, modern iran...)
Public executions and public bloodlust seem to go hand in hand.
Agreed 100%.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
#8694984 - 07/28/08 10:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dono, those could easily be coincidental, all 3 of those examples take place in militaristic cultures. I'd be open to considdering a correlation if you can find convincing supporting data.
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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: ScavengerType]
#8695021 - 07/28/08 10:26 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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How about public lynchings here in america a few generations ago. Did those quell the southerners lust for blood, or clue them in to the enormity of what they were doing?
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: DieCommie]
#8695252 - 07/28/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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How about public lynchings here in america a few generations ago. Did those quell the southerners lust for blood, or clue them in to the enormity of what they were doing?
what blood lust of the southerners?
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I'd be open to considdering a correlation if you can find convincing supporting data.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: ScavengerType]
#8711928 - 08/01/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i gaurantee most of you folks dont even understand the deep-rooted dislike that Iran has for america. Lets go back a few years:
MOssadegh was the commander and chief who opposed foreign regulation of iran. At the time, Iran was an agrarian based culture. Therefore, the people of Iran at the time, truly supported MOssadegh and his nationalist views. He was overthrown in '53 with the help of the US CIA. STrike 1
Fast forward to when the SHah Reza Pahlavi came into power. HIs ideals were to modernize iran and shift it towards a westernized version of itself. This made the US very happy. He was the puppet and America was holding the strings. He enacted acts that favored oil trade and other such industries with the US. The current generation of iranians at the time seemed to like this change up until the shah started throwing crazy ass parties while his countrymen were starving. This started the downfall of the Shah. Once he became unpopular with his country folk, guess who america decided to back up? The shah? nope.......... strike 2
which leads us to the revolution of 1979. Guess who america sided with? The religious mullahs. Why do you think they are in power today? Once khomeni passed, they just got another religious nut in ahmadinejad.
SO ya, you can call the iranians the bad guys or crazy,or whichever, but how about looking at your own governments shortcomings instead of being quick to say the other country is evil? Theres alwasy two sides to a story
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: ScavengerType]
#8711939 - 08/01/08 12:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i gaurantee most of you folks dont even understand the deep-rooted dislike that Iran has for america. Lets go back a few years:
MOssadegh was the commander and chief who opposed foreign regulation of iran. At the time, Iran was an agrarian based culture. Therefore, the people of Iran at the time, truly supported MOssadegh and his nationalist views. He was overthrown in '53 with the help of the US CIA. STrike 1
Fast forward to when the SHah Reza Pahlavi came into power. HIs ideals were to modernize iran and shift it towards a westernized version of itself. This made the US very happy. He was the puppet and America was holding the strings. He enacted acts that favored oil trade and other such industries with the US. The current generation of iranians at the time seemed to like this change up until the shah started throwing crazy ass parties while his countrymen were starving. This started the downfall of the Shah. Once he became unpopular with his country folk, guess who america decided to back up? The shah? nope.......... strike 2
which leads us to the revolution of 1979. Guess who america sided with? The religious mullahs. Why do you think they are in power today? Once khomeni passed, they just got another religious nut in ahmadinejad.
SO ya, you can call the iranians the bad guys or crazy,or whichever, but how about looking at your own governments shortcomings instead of being quick to say the other country is evil? Theres alwasy two sides to a story
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: cartman]
#8712000 - 08/01/08 12:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i gaurantee most of you folks dont even understand the deep-rooted dislike that Iran has for america. Lets go back a few years:
Why dont you spare us the condensation and lecture, and respond to the topic at hand.
What of Iran hanging 30 drug dealers and adulterers? Are you somehow excusing them and blaming america for it? Thats what your little paragraph history lesson implies. If so, that is quite lame.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: Luddite]
#8712002 - 08/01/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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hahaha that's a joke right? People call me a "kooky conspiracy theorist" and a "freedom hater" haha but i guess there are other extremes too.
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Re: Iran to Hang 30 Drug Dealers and Adulterers on Sunday [Re: cartman]
#8713224 - 08/01/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i gaurantee most of you folks dont even understand the deep-rooted dislike that Iran has for america.
a very close friend of mine is iranian, he doesnt hate me and that's what matters
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