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Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul?
    #868163 - 09/07/02 03:57 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

Dig..........

You're tripping.

You stare into the eyes of another person who is also tripping, or you stare at yourself in the mirror, and your trip becomes more intense.

I know i'm not the only one. When i'm tripping with someone, and I stare them in the eyes it 'brings me back up". It's as if I just took more acid or what have you. This is a FACT. I really start to get higher from eye contact.

My question is, is this evidence of a soul? The eyes are supposed to be the "window to the soul", so it's interesting that a person's eyes are the only thing that brings you back up.

It's as if while on acid or whatever, you're more in touch with your soul, and when you look into someone's eyes, you're diving deeper into the soul of all life.

What do you think?



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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #868200 - 09/07/02 05:22 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)



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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: haccess]
    #868338 - 09/07/02 07:34 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

Zuh?



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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #868481 - 09/07/02 09:08 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

I don't see any souls in there!  :wink:


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #868485 - 09/07/02 09:10 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

I think so.


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Revelation]
    #868591 - 09/07/02 10:31 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

You believe that when a trip becomes more intense because of eye contact with another tripping person, that that's evidence of a soul?

Anyone else? Have I made this clear enough for everyone to understand? It's a little hard to explain.




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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #868634 - 09/07/02 10:51 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

Yes, I think that eyes are directly associated with the soul / spirit. You can tell alot by looking into someone's eyes....


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Adamist]
    #868814 - 09/07/02 01:22 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

i think you're very wrong.

A) you can't tell ANYTHING about a persons "soul" by looking at thier eyeballs. you can tell alot about what a person is thinking/feeling by looking at thier eyeballs.

B) the eyes are one of the most communicative body parts. eye contact is biologically emotional, so it's not surprising that you "got higher" when you looked into the persons eyes.

C) if proving the existence of the soul were that easy don't you think someone smarter than you would have done it by now? hmm?


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: ]
    #868828 - 09/07/02 01:36 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

you can tell alot about what a person is thinking/feeling by looking at thier eyeballs.

I agree...
And I also think what a person is thinking/feeling can be a direct expression of the spirit or "soul".  :blush:

And I never said it proved anything... I said that is what I thought. 


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: ]
    #868853 - 09/07/02 01:54 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

you can tell alot about what a person is thinking/feeling by looking at thier eyeballs.

Not even close. What you are "reading" is the expressive facial muscles. Of course, here on the Shroomery, everything pedantic MUST have some mystical explanation.


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Swami]
    #868882 - 09/07/02 02:23 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

...and "expressive facial muscles" are often associated with specific emotional states.


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: psilo25]
    #868922 - 09/07/02 03:00 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

every time i look into someones eyes while trippin there face turns into mine, i dont particularly enjoy this since it gives me feeling of claustraphobia, i even get this now with less than 3 grams, this occurs all during my peak. there eye's appear to be the window to the soul, not their individuated soul. its the energies that i see floating around them that tells me how they are feeling, and sometimes it goes further with me seeing the path that that particular soul is walking.

I'm not sure if i mentioned this earlier but last time i tripped i sawall the colors of the spectrum or prism that enable us to see with transparent vision, they rotated like a disco ball around me, very trippy.


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #868979 - 09/07/02 03:53 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

its the energies that i see floating around them that tells me how they are feeling, and sometimes it goes further with me seeing the path that that particular soul is walking.

I know exactly what your talking about....


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Swami]
    #869075 - 09/07/02 04:49 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I disagree in part. Some of the data picked up is due to the facial muscles but some of it is from the eyes and the muscles immediately surrounding them. Gawd I love it when you get precise! Neurolingistic programming has a section on eye information which is very interesting. With it you can tell all sorts of things about people. You know what I am talking about because you have that gift.

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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Swami]
    #869667 - 09/08/02 12:18 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

Not even close. What you are "reading" is the expressive facial muscles
No, i'm talking about looking directly into someones pupils. It doesn't make me trip harder when I look at their face. I'm talking specifically about the pupils.

Of course, here on the Shroomery, everything
pedantic MUST have some mystical explanation.

[Learyfan talking to Swami in a calm tone]
Now Swami, I don't want to change the subject here, and/or turn this into an arguement, but this is what people mean when they accuse you of being less than nice. First of all, this is the "Spirituality & Philosophy" forum. You're supposed to know that we're going to talk about things like this before you get here. Second, a comment like this may be interpreted as condescending, and personally insulting.





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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #869815 - 09/08/02 04:54 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I am not interested in feelings, but in truth. I don't find misleading information to be somehow more comforting.

Unlike most people here, I don't just flap my gums. As per usual, I will back up my position with cold hard cash. I will wager that one person cannot tell what another person is thinking strictly by looking into their pupils without seeing their face or eye muscles.

Of course, this Swami Eye Contact Challenge will meet the same fate as the:

Telepathy Challenge
Telekinesis Challenge
Clairvoyant Challenge
"My Dog Knows When I am Tripping" Challenge
The "End of the World in 2012" Challenge
"The 10% of Brain Usage" Challenge

Funny how so many here balk when a Propagandist Myth is presented as fact, but hold tight to their own false myths.

Which do you choose: Truth or Social Acceptance?



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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #869832 - 09/08/02 05:05 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

"Second, a comment like this may be interpreted as condescending, and personally insulting."

Yes, as anything can be.

The picture?  :blush:

Thanks, now I need to go to confession.

I understood what you meant and I think it has validity.

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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Swami]
    #869871 - 09/08/02 05:22 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I am not interested in feelings, but in truth
Can't you try to be a little more polite when presenting your truth? Please?

I don't find misleading information to be somehow more comforting.
My opinion isn't meant to mislead anyone. I was just asking everyone what they thought about this thing.

I will
wager that one person cannot tell what another person is thinking strictly by looking into their pupils without seeing their
face or eye muscles.

This thread is not about telepathy Swami. This thread is about tripping, and staring into the pupils of a fellow tripper(or yourself), and having your trip become more intense as a result. True story: I was tripping on acid with my friends, and everything was going fine. Then we noticed that when we stared at each other in the pupils and we started seeing WAY more visuals. Later in the evening as the trip began to wear down, we stared at each other again, and it was like we had taken another hit for a little bit.

Point is, there's something intangible in a persons pupils that somehow grants you access to deeper levels of the tripping experience in my opinion.



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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #869885 - 09/08/02 05:35 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

This thread is not about telepathy Swami.

My original post responded to VaporBrains then you go off on a tangent as if I was responding to you.


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #869886 - 09/08/02 05:35 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

Point is, there's something intangible in a persons pupils that somehow grants you access to deeper levels of the tripping experience in my opinion.

Or maybe you and your friend hold a similar perspective on the whole "eye is the window to the soul" thing and when you both concentrated on eachother's eyes, it triggered a similar neurological cascade in each of your skulls.


Of course, this is all a lie... we all know elves were behind the phenomenon...


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Swami]
    #869908 - 09/08/02 05:45 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I am not interested in feelings, but in truth.

Maybe your version of truth can be stuffed in a nice square envelope, but for me I like how intuitive feelings push the boundaries and limits of "truth". If you have no feelings, you are no better than a computer. And computers can't think outside the confines of the limits we set for them.

There is truth in feeling.


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Adamist]
    #869924 - 09/08/02 11:00 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Adamist]
    #869928 - 09/08/02 11:03 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

Maybe your version of truth can be stuffed in a nice square envelope, but for me I like how intuitive feelings push the boundaries and limits of "truth".
There is no "my" version of truth. One can either read people's emotions strictly through looking at the pupil or they can't.

If you have no feelings, you are no better than a computer. And computers can't think outside the confines of the limits we set for them.
The usual meaningless emotional aside and ad hominem.





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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Swami]
    #869936 - 09/08/02 11:06 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

Interesting stuff Swam.

What is truth to you? Perhaps that might clear things up. I am curious to hear.

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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Swami]
    #870033 - 09/08/02 12:07 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)



My original post responded to VaporBrains then you go off on a tangent as if I was responding to you.

Ooops. I misinterpreted the "re:Learyfan" thing. Sorry to have bothered you kind sir.

One can either read people's emotions strictly through looking at the pupil or they can't.
This thread isn't about reading people's emotions. This thread is about someone's trip becoming more intense as the result of looking into a set of pupils. I was just wondering why it is that I can look at any part of a person's body while tripping and be uneffected, but when I look into "the window to the soul", it's like I took another two hits of acid. I don't know.



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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #870075 - 09/08/02 12:34 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I want another two hits of acid....  :shocked:

*stares deeply into his cat's eyes* 


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Adamist]
    #870084 - 09/08/02 12:41 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I think it only works if the cat is tripping also.........which would be bad.



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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #870528 - 09/08/02 10:19 PM (19 years, 14 days ago)

I understood what you meant LF - and I have had the experience as well.
And a response to the 'Skeptics' whom I adore/revile  :grin:
Even if it IS a reaction to facial muscles, does it make it any less valid? If a person experiences it, then it is real for them. Not right, just real.

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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Anonymous]
    #870591 - 09/08/02 10:53 PM (19 years, 14 days ago)

Not less real, but their is a big difference between concluding one is reading some ephemeral soul rather than muscular configurations commonly used to express emotions.

People are very easily lied to face-to-face. If we were so good at reading intent, through the eyes this would not happen.



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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Swami]
    #871229 - 09/09/02 07:37 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

People are very easily lied to face-to-face. If we were so good at reading intent, through the eyes this would not happen.
No, you misunderstand. This thread isn't about reading intent. It's about tripping............and having that trip intensified by looking directly into the pupils of a fellow tripper. I think this also may work when it comes to orgasms. I think maybe your orgasm get's intensified if you're staring into the eyes of your lover? I don't know. I don't think I look at them when I cum. But I don't want to get off of the subject. This is about psychedelics.



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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #871335 - 09/09/02 09:49 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

I know what you mean, Learyfan, I have experienced that.
It is not only they eyes, it is every thing about that person.
I believe that when you are in an altered state you become more aware and more open, I even felt melding of the souls (some may argue that was just neurons on my brain going wacky) but I am not here to argue with them.
I am sure you felt that because there is a lot of openness from your part and your friend, I bet it does not happen with every one. It is a beautiful experience cherished it.
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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #871358 - 09/09/02 10:06 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

There might be contact in a way, but i don't think it is your soul.
Because soul would mean there is a god. And there is no god.
I like to say it is energy. Because energy is the only verbal explanation available in human language to explain the unexplainable.

I've experienced the same by the way. It boosts everything. The knowing factore.

The knowing factor.

You know that the other person feels and thinks the same and it generates an energy feel combined in a nonvisable reaction. That boosts its own generation.


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Fliquid]
    #871433 - 09/09/02 11:05 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

Lobo: Thanks for the compliment

Fliquid: I don't want to get caught up in semantics. You can call it "soul", "God", "life", "energy" or whatever. I'm suggesting that maybe you gain access to ______ by looking into their pupils.



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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #871439 - 09/09/02 11:13 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

You can, i have.


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul [Re: Fliquid]
    #871460 - 09/09/02 11:29 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

The eyes are the windows to the soul.  I have recently come to the conclusion that the soul is just a word for the energy within all beings that allows them to, well, live.  Psychedelics, especially naturally occuring, is kind of a booster for that internal energy. (For example : psychedelic mushrooms:soul  as  Nitrous Oxide:Gasoline) :laugh: 


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul [Re: bluesky]
    #871465 - 09/09/02 11:33 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

The word 'soul' was indeed meant for that. But church has altered its natural meaning.  :smirk: 


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #871468 - 09/09/02 11:38 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

Fliquid: I don't want to get caught up in semantics. You can call it "soul", "God", "life", "energy" or whatever. I'm suggesting that maybe you gain access to ______ by looking into their pupils.


Then you should not have said this:  Evidence of a soul?

You are saying that i could mean we have a soul. And a soul is always seen as the church based word for 'what we are, made by god'.

Maybe next time, you will choose your choice of words more wisely.

Kind regards,

The thing that happend when you said HEY!  :laugh: 


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #871474 - 09/09/02 11:41 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

ok, check this out:

i attended my first Reiki session about a year and a half ago, and i wanted to experience it pure, so i refrained from weed and other drugs that day. we showed up, did some reiki, and it was trippy as hell. i won't get into the actual experience too much, but afterword we were sort of milling around talking to people. i didn't know anyone there save for my 2 friends who i came with, but i was talking with a few different people. then i met one lady, who looked into my eyes. i can't exactly explain the feeling that i got except that it felt like she could read me down to my innermost thoughts. it was like she had instant access to my soul through looking in my eyes. it was rather uncomfortable, probably because i didn't know her, and i felt a bit threatened. it felt like she could've induced serious psychic damage on me if she wanted, but luckily i don't think it was her intent. to this day i can't explain it, but that's why i believe that there's SOMETHING about the eyes that're psychedelic (for lack of a better term)...

also, anyone else have this type of experience, hit me up PM?


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Fliquid]
    #871713 - 09/09/02 01:03 PM (19 years, 13 days ago)

I'm confused a little by your post, but i'm trying to say that "soul" and "God" are the same thing. I could have just as easily said "Evidence of God?" but people get too hung up on that word, and what it means to them. I'd have to explain that I believe that we're all one soul, or "God".





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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #871843 - 09/09/02 08:52 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

Yes, but let's get back to my point. Do you remember what it was? Because I surely have no clue.


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Learyfan]
    #873472 - 09/10/02 01:23 AM (19 years, 13 days ago)

But then you are still wrong, because PEOPLE and GOD are not the centre of everything.
They always wanted to be, there for the GOD theory.

There is no god! People want to believe that there is a god, so they have a reason for existence.

But the only thing we really know (but that also is not for sure) is that we were generated by evolution just as the fish, birds, dogs, fly's and other creatures. Just because we have consciousness, doesn't mean we must have a leader called god that created us and everything. What i'm trying to say is that the first conscious people were scared because they did not understand. And that is a fact, look at people who never tried drugs. They have the most wrong points of view available. Thats why they needed something that would always be there to protect and reward us. When we need it. And to justify somethings. By saying its gods will...

This reply was going to be much better then it is now, but i got interrupted by someone.


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Re: Eye contact while tripping. Evidence of a soul? [Re: Fliquid]
    #873516 - 09/10/02 02:49 AM (19 years, 13 days ago)

That's fine. There's nothing wrong with having that point of view. Now let's get this back on track.

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