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OfflineSalviaEngland
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Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic)
    #868135 - 09/07/02 09:28 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)







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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #868138 - 09/07/02 09:51 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Very nice!! How long did they take to sprout???


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: psylo33o]
    #868154 - 09/07/02 10:42 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

48 hours


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #868164 - 09/07/02 10:57 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

youre mad  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :grin: :cool:


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: T0aD]
    #868167 - 09/07/02 11:00 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you T0aD


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #868169 - 09/07/02 11:03 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

so where did you get theese seeds from
internet ?


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: T0aD]
    #868172 - 09/07/02 11:08 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

no,

but if you search for them you will find them...


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #868397 - 09/07/02 03:06 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Oups, Ithough they took much longer :grin: I'd like to get myself some too.. I'll keep an eye out :smile:


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: psylo33o]
    #868464 - 09/07/02 03:56 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Very nice plants, and brilliant pics - What's new?


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #868672 - 09/07/02 06:15 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

nice pics :smile:
the soil mix is just perlite and?? peat? normal potting soli?


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: CLuB99]
    #868710 - 09/07/02 06:59 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Plain peat based compost and perlite (I think) There is a small chance I used compost for acid loving plants - which I use for my salvia plants, this is also peat based. I am not sure which bag I used and they look the same.


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #870425 - 09/09/02 04:26 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

nice job as always SE!!!
BTW, this ones go really stinky when sprouting don't they???


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: felixhigh]
    #871410 - 09/09/02 05:47 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks everyone for the kind words. :smile:

I have not noticed them being sticky, I will take your word for it felichigh.. :grin: 


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #872013 - 09/09/02 05:23 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

not to be dumb or anything but what are they


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #872085 - 09/09/02 06:00 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Make sure you innoculate the soil with the proper mycorrhizial critters, or the plants will die very quickly. These microbes are essential for various mimosoid plants to get nutrients into their roots. Your best bet is to dig up a little soil from around the roots of some other mimosoid plant in your area and to mix this into your potting soil.


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: Murple]
    #872510 - 09/09/02 09:54 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks Murple  :smile: I did not realised they required microbes, I have heard of plants requiring nitrogen fixing bacteria, but I don't really know much about it.

Do you know of any common (UK) plants, which are mimosoid, if not I will ask at the local nursery. I have done a brief search, but no luck so far.

How long do you think they will last without the microbes? 

If this plant was really clever it would incubate the microbes within the seeds and I wouldn't need to worry about it :shocked:.



 


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #872907 - 09/10/02 12:58 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I had about 10 of these plants growing before. I just found the seed sin this weird pod thing... What are the plants used for? I remember when I grew them, they all died... Guess I needed those little microbes lol.


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #873041 - 09/10/02 02:19 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i said they stink a lot. smell. bad smell. putrid smell. try soaking a handful in a cup of water overnight..


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: felixhigh]
    #873395 - 09/10/02 06:25 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

:blush: OOPS stink not stick   


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #873396 - 09/10/02 06:27 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Black beans from these trees are toasted, pulverized and mixed with ashes or calcined shells to make psychedelic snuff called yopo by Indians in Orinoco basin in Colombia, Venezuela and possibly in southern part of Brasilian Amazon. Yopo is blown into the nostrils through bamboo tubes or snuffed by birdbone tubes. The trees grow in open plain areas, and leaves, bark and seeds contain DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and related compounds (Schultes 1976,1977; Pachter et al. 1959).
Active Constituents: DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and related compounds.
(http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/natural_highs_faq.shtml#yopo)


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #874526 - 09/10/02 07:25 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

SE have you played with those seeds already? did you try to make snuff or to smoke those?


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: felixhigh]
    #874605 - 09/10/02 08:05 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

felixhigh, no I have not tried to consume the seeds. I am only currently interested in growing these plants. I would be interested to here about anyone who has though.


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #881029 - 09/13/02 04:22 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #966522 - 10/17/02 01:27 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #967397 - 10/17/02 06:21 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

congrats SE, it is growing really fast!!!


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #967605 - 10/17/02 08:02 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Do you have a small fan in there? It looks like it needs some stimuli to toughen up his lower stalk so he can support himself better, he may start keeling farther and farther over, especially in that intense humidty, and become bent and rot and die. Get a fan going in there and the blowing will make the stem firm.


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: neuro]
    #968239 - 10/17/02 02:28 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks neuro
Good advise  :smile:
 


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #969044 - 10/17/02 09:32 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Nice!!! 'tis groing fast!!! congrats!


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #969728 - 10/18/02 12:55 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

woah, awsome pics, cool website too!


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #970222 - 10/18/02 03:08 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

nice growing. i'd like to hear more about the experience


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: comario2]
    #974309 - 10/19/02 04:17 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Experience of growing???

I used peat-based compost with added perlite
Fed once with feed for acid loving plants 50 % recommended consideration
Kept in a humidity tent.
Filtered sunlight (same a salvia).


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #974349 - 10/19/02 05:10 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

sorry, i wasn't clear, i meant effects of using it


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #978767 - 10/21/02 12:16 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I think your plant there is kinda struggling.

First, give it some support. Second, look into your growing conditions, because it should be exhibiting much more vigorous growth by now. Maybe it needs more light, or it doesnt have adequate nitrogen-fixing soil bacteria. I havent grown this species, but I've grown enough mimosoids to know that looks like it needs some help.


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: Murple]
    #978841 - 10/21/02 01:03 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Their is no nitrogen-fixing soil bacteria - It has been neglected - It will have some soon but until then it will continue to struggle, however it is doing better than expected considering.


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #979783 - 10/21/02 09:24 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Get some vetch, pea, or bean seeds from a commercial seed source or garden shop. Plant them in the pot with the wilca plant. Let it germinate and grow a few leaves, then snip it off at the soil line. This innoculates the soil quite nicely, without having to buy special innoculants or go digging around trees hoping to get the right bugs.


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: Murple]
    #981849 - 10/22/02 11:54 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Murple  :smile:

Tthat sounds like a good idea, I will give it a go. I was going to try and find a field that had been growing peas but this sounds like an easer option. 

 


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #1009795 - 10/31/02 07:06 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Inoculation of soil with nitrogen-fixing soil bacteria from pea seeds.  :smile:

Looks good already.. seems to work.




 


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #1010027 - 10/31/02 09:04 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Nice!! I've got some just sprouted acacia dealbata... Hey, one strange thing: I've got some 4 months old acaia rethinodes, and, as seedling, they had started to grow those typical accaia leaves, and now it seem they are just growing stem, quite bushy, but no new leaves.. they are very healthy though... perhaps it d^pends on the growing season?? or the age of the plants? those where the first acacia plants I started , so perhaps its normal but I don't know.. anyone?


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #1055191 - 11/15/02 06:24 PM (20 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #1061135 - 11/18/02 07:27 AM (20 years, 21 days ago)

there you go, nice little tree!!!
did it come from fat type seeds??


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: felixhigh]
    #1061769 - 11/18/02 01:40 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #1063002 - 11/18/02 11:33 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

cool seeds man, they seem rounder than my fat ones and fatter than my thin ones... are these var cebil? would you like to trade some?


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Re: Anadenanthera colubrina - Vilca, Huilca (pic) [Re: felixhigh]
    #1063518 - 11/19/02 02:24 AM (20 years, 20 days ago)

Unfortunately the picture of the seeds is from another web site and not the seeds I have. I only received a few and I have planted all of them. The seeds I planted were identical to those in the picture.


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