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My crazy FC
    #8676642 - 07/24/08 02:49 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I didnt have any money left for tubing after buying a cool mist humidifier so I cut out the bottom edge of my plastic container just large enough to house the output of the machine. I sealed the container with some fabric and tape and its keeping at 98%25 humidity.

(as you can see my camera sucks.)

these cakes will be birthed into it sometime later this week as there almost all colonized.


Is do you think the cool mist will be able to operate properly?, The air filter is on the outside of the container. Also should I run this 24/7 or not since its such a small container?

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Re: My crazy FC [Re: The]
    #8677076 - 07/24/08 04:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

A thick (5 inch) layer of perlite and a few hundred holes will provide all the RH/FAE you need. Just search for the "Shotgun FC" or watch RR's youtube videos (pt 3 especially).

Running the Cool Mist 24/7 will probably result in water building up everywhere, including the cake surfaces which is very bad. You can experiment with timing schedules, but it'll be tough finding something that maintains 95-100% RH but doesn't cause massive condensation. You really might want to put the Cool Mist back in the box until you're ready to build a Martha. Tubs get the best performance with just perlite. Sometimes the low-tech, low cost methods are actually best.


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Re: My crazy FC [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8677554 - 07/24/08 07:31 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I already invested in a coolmist Might as well use it

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Re: My crazy FC [Re: The]
    #8678721 - 07/25/08 12:21 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah use it, but just run it in the room your shotgun fc is located in. Do not hose it into the fc!!!!
Look for the links Powerofthecoir mentioned.


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Re: My crazy FC [Re: pontus]
    #8680078 - 07/25/08 11:39 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah use it, but just run it in the room your shotgun fc is located in. Do not hose it into the fc!!!!
Look for the links Powerofthecoir mentioned.




why dont you want to hose it in? as long as you have efficient air exchange it should be ok right?

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Re: My crazy FC [Re: infinitespiral]
    #8680106 - 07/25/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah but the perlite would provide plenty of humidity on its own. Since you already have a humidifier though, follow coir's advice and get yourself a martha! get a bunch of stuff colonizing then go get one, I think they're around $40 here. You'll have more shroomies than you can poke a stick at.


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Re: My crazy FC [Re: ray40cal]
    #8680115 - 07/25/08 11:52 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

thats a lot of shroomies


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Re: My crazy FC [Re: just me]
    #8680306 - 07/25/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Using a Cool Mist is not without risk. They can put so much excess humdity/mist in the air that you end up with condensation on the substrate/casing/cake/fruits/whatever. If you consider that many Marthas run on one Cool Mist, and even then with timers that keep them on for only very short periods, you can see that it will be very tough to reign in a Cool Mist enough to keep from flooding a small tub. If they are modified with a hose, or even set up in such a way that there is significant back pressure, the humidifier can burn itself out over a few months.

There is a phenomenon called "The Sunk-Cost Fallacy" that describes how people will judge options not by their future benefits/costs but rather by the amount of money or time they have already spent. Businesses may continue with a project which they now know is obselete just because they have already spent a large portion of their budget. When the Concorde aircraft was being developed, the companies involved realized halfway through that there were few orders coming in and marketing efforts were not showing any indication of working. They continued building this unprofitable plane though since they had already spent a large amount of money on it.

If you have ever played poker, you've probably seen people who will continue putting money in the pot even hen they know that they have little chance of winning. The amount of money they bet earlier when they expected a better hand may be substantial, but this money has already been spent and should not be considered in later betting decisions.

The cost of the humidifier should not affect the decision to use for this tub. What would you do if you had found a cardboard box on your lawn that contained the tub, a bag of perlite, and a cool mist? It fell off of a truck and the owner cannot be located, so you now have all thre items for free. Would you try to hook up the Cool Mist to the tub knowing that most people on the board seem to think that perlite is superior for a tub?

If you stick with this hobby, you'll be getting a Martha soon enough. When you do, you'll be way ahead of the game if you still have an unmodified, undamaged Cool Mist sitting in a box in your closet. Trying to use it for the tub when you already have a better method availible (perlite) is just throwing good money after bad.


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Re: My crazy FC [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8680459 - 07/25/08 01:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

What the hell are you talking about? Every Martha and even a few mono tube setups ive seen run a cool mist 24/7. You’re thinking about an ultra sonic which produces a thick fog/mist. A cool mist alone only produces humid air with an RH around the mid 80s if I remember correctly. The cool mist just pulls air through a filter that wicks water up it to make the air more humid. Use the thing it will work fine. Ive used my cool mist 24/7 in every setup ive ever had which unless used with perlite has never been enough humidity for cakes on its own. The ultra sonic was always needed but setup on a timer.

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Re: My crazy FC [Re: Digital Reality]
    #8680524 - 07/25/08 01:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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What the hell are you talking about? Every Martha and even a few mono tube setups ive seen run a cool mist 24/7.




No they don't.  If they did, it would result in a flood.  You refer to the 'wicking type' humidifier,(with a wet pad inside) and it's been posted here many times that those are not suitable for mycology.  Not only do they grow black mold in the wicking filter, they don't produce the humidity required for mushrooms, thus they dry out the substrate as well as the air.  Use impeller type cool mists on a cycle timer for greenhouses, and perlite for terrariums.
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Re: My crazy FC [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8680632 - 07/25/08 02:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i run my ultrasonic 24/7 and my coolmist 24/7.

the ultrasonic is turned fairly low and ran through a diffuser to avoid oversaturation, the coolmist has 3x3/4'' tubes running to 3 shelfs for fae.

both of these are refilled via the flick of a switch on my water pump, which runs to both the ultrasonic and the coolmist reservoir.

it works awesome.:mushroom2:

in regards to the original post(so that i dont get to far off topic) take that coolmist off, its just going to cause problems.

im not saying you cant rig up a coolmist to it, just that the way you have rigged it up will more than likely oversaturate your FC and cause water to pool.

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Re: My crazy FC [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8680703 - 07/25/08 02:56 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Well please explain this because i must be missing something. Firstly i never knew there was any other type of cool mist besides the wick pad types. Ive had 3 or so now and they all used a wick filer. Do you have a link to a cool mist like you are referring too. Id like to find one like that if there is a diff type because you are right the wick type do not provide enough RH alone.

As for the teks on Martha’s i just did a quick search and here is a tek by magsha who goes through spawn but also elaborates on his Martha. In number 2 right above the pic of the Martha it says...

" 2. I like to use the tent style chamber that uses the cool mist running all the time and a ultrasonic that comes on every few hours for so many minutes. "

As well as a lot of other teks ive seen which run there cool mist 24/7 with a ultra sonic a few mins here and there.

So i guess could you just show me an example of the impeller cool mist because this is the first i have ever heard of there being anything other than the wick filter types. Not trying to be a dick, it’s just what ive always seen over the year or so ive been here.

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Re: My crazy FC [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8680974 - 07/25/08 04:23 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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There is a phenomenon called "The Sunk-Cost Fallacy" that describes how people will judge options not by their future benefits/costs but rather by the amount of money or time they have already spent. Businesses may continue with a project which they now know is obselete just because they have already spent a large portion of their budget. When the Concorde aircraft was being developed, the companies involved realized halfway through that there were few orders coming in and marketing efforts were not showing any indication of working. They continued building this unprofitable plane though since they had already spent a large amount of money on it.

If you have ever played poker, you've probably seen people who will continue putting money in the pot even hen they know that they have little chance of winning. The amount of money they bet earlier when they expected a better hand may be substantial, but this money has already been spent and should not be considered in later betting decisions.





Dude, wtf?  Good read anyhow.:mushroom2:

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I've read that you can never have too much humidity especially with smaller casings/cakes. 
As long as the way you've placed the coolmist doesn't damage the unit, I say go for it :thumbup:  Props for the clever use of what you had.


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Re: My crazy FC [Re: psilog]
    #8681016 - 07/25/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

psilog: coolmists shoot water droplets out of them at high speeds, this will more than likely be detrimental to anything in his fruiting chamber. you are right, humidity is good, but water droplets spraying your cakes/casings are not.

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Re: My crazy FC [Re: psilog]
    #8681075 - 07/25/08 04:44 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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There is a phenomenon called "The Sunk-Cost Fallacy" that describes how people will judge options not by their future benefits/costs but rather by the amount of money or time they have already spent. Businesses may continue with a project which they now know is obselete just because they have already spent a large portion of their budget. When the Concorde aircraft was being developed, the companies involved realized halfway through that there were few orders coming in and marketing efforts were not showing any indication of working. They continued building this unprofitable plane though since they had already spent a large amount of money on it.

If you have ever played poker, you've probably seen people who will continue putting money in the pot even hen they know that they have little chance of winning. The amount of money they bet earlier when they expected a better hand may be substantial, but this money has already been spent and should not be considered in later betting decisions.





Dude, wtf?  Good read anyhow.:mushroom2:

OP
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I've read that you can never have too much humidity especially with smaller casings/cakes. 
As long as the way you've placed the coolmist doesn't damage the unit, I say go for it :thumbup:  Props for the clever use of what you had.




My point was just that the OP is basing the decision to use the Cool Mist on the money spent to purchase it, not whether or not it will benefit his grow. His picture shows a superior tub humidification system (perlite) already in place. There is such a thing as too much humidity - when a mechanical humidifier tries to push too much mist/vapor into a container, condensation builds up on everything and drowns the cakes. People buy expensive adjustable rate timers for many Marthas for a reason. If there was no way to over-humidify, they wouldn't waster their money.

Now with perlite, there's no such thing as too much humidity. It will just stop evaporating at 100%.


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Re: My crazy FC [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8682649 - 07/26/08 12:41 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

It could benefit his grow and himself/herself if used to bring ambient air to about 50-60% RH, since shotgun fc works best then....Just repeating myself i know.....
For folks looking for cool mist
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5628541#5628541

mist on and OP look here
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek



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Re: My crazy FC [Re: pontus]
    #8682670 - 07/26/08 12:54 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Using it outside the tub to humidify the macro-environment is fine. It certainly won't hurt anything.


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Re: My crazy FC [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8683249 - 07/26/08 06:44 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

fabric will grow mold

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Re: My crazy FC [Re: ray40cal]
    #8683297 - 07/26/08 07:34 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah but the perlite would provide plenty of humidity on its own. Since you already have a humidifier though, follow coir's advice and get yourself a martha! get a bunch of stuff colonizing then go get one, I think they're around $40 here. You'll have more shroomies than you can poke a stick at.




Why would you shake a stick at your shroomies? What did they do to you?!?!


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Re: My crazy FC [Re: Blumpy]
    #8684669 - 07/26/08 03:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

ok i have a cool mist going 24/7 into a tub that is 105 qt/99 L.  i have six 2 inch holes with poly fill in it and two 1/4 holes in the bottom for a drain.  my hose is 3 1/2 feet to the tub.  and i have a small 15 watt fluorescent light indirectly lighting it a few hours a day and a fish tank heater in a bottle of water sealed on a thermostat (never turns off cause its cold).  anyways my temp stays between 68 and 72 degrees and my humidity is always between 91% and 99%.  its a higher % when my light is off. i barely have any water droplets in the tub not one drop has dropped out of the drain.  so i dont know.  i didn't want to deal with perlite cause in past grows its always been messy.  so this time i just went and got one and seems to be doing just fine.  even though its a pretty new chamber, ill let you all know what happens.  i should be getting a flush here any day now hopefully....

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