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Re: MG PM not such a miracle [Re: Blutjager]
    #8675294 - 07/24/08 06:30 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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No,not at all.I spawn my grain(Usually rye or wbs) to bulk(Usually coir,but compost or manure are good choices if you have access to them)wait till my trays are 100% and THAN is where the miracle grow comes into play,apply it than,mist to perfection cover for 2 days give or take and than into the greenhouse it goes :rockon:




What is your pasteurizing technique? I've used MGMC in past with success, and pasteurizeing it with success.
I'm not sure what happened a few cycles ago, but man I had the trich all over the top of my casing... there was now way to save that baby.

I'm just curious which method you use to pasteurize is all...????


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Re: MG PM not such a miracle [Re: fantasy2reality]
    #8675570 - 07/24/08 08:52 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Blutjager said:


No,not at all.I spawn my grain(Usually rye or wbs) to bulk(Usually coir,but compost or manure are good choices if you have access to them)wait till my trays are 100% and THAN is where the miracle grow comes into play,apply it than,mist to perfection cover for 2 days give or take and than into the greenhouse it goes :rockon:




What is your pasteurizing technique? I've used MGMC in past with success, and pasteurizeing it with success.
I'm not sure what happened a few cycles ago, but man I had the trich all over the top of my casing... there was now way to save that baby.

I'm just curious which method you use to pasteurize is all...????




#1 Take out any sticks and jar it up and put on the lids and lid bands

#2 Put in PC and fill with water about 2/3rds a ways up the jars

#3 Put the cover on the pressure cooker but leave the weight OFF

#4 Bring to a boil

#5 Let steam escape from the vent where the weight would be,let boil for 5 min

#6 Shut off heat

#7 Let cool for a half hour

#8 Bring back to a boil again like you just did

#9 Boil again for five more min

#10 Shut off or remove from heat and allow to cool

Your good to go :yesnod:

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Re: MG PM not such a miracle [Re: Blutjager]
    #8677202 - 07/24/08 05:20 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Thats the same method I use. Simple and hard to screw it up...
I'm not sure what went wrong then... maybe just a fluke???

Never really had problems with contams, just that one time... I dunno... guess I'll stick with it then...

I do add oyster shells to the mix... but it all gets pasteurized.... Hmmmm???? but it was only that one time though... I'm stumped. I had zero contams in all 10 of my jars, I had fast 100% colonization like usual.

oh well, who knows, better luck this time around.


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Re: MG PM not such a miracle [Re: fantasy2reality]
    #8677249 - 07/24/08 05:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Removing the wood and pasteurizing helps, but some trich can always hide somewhere in MGMC (and other mixes for that matter). Usually if you have good FAE and other good techniques you'll be fine, but nothings 100% so you have to lose occasionally.

The best way to improve the contamination resistance of pre-made casings is to use some type of lime to bring the PH up to 8 and gypsum to buffer the PH so it stays around 8. Crushed oyster shells will improve the texture but won't break down in time to affect the casing PH. Oyster shell flour will become available in time to affect the PH during the life of the casing, although not instantly. Hydrated lime + Gypsum is a common way to adjust casing PH.

Someone sent me a question via PM about this same topic earlier today. I found this post by RR when I was double-checking my facts:


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MGMC has wood in it, so many growers get trichoderma if they don't lime to a basic pH.  Personally, I wouldn't use a casing layer at all unless I was casing plain grains, or growing a species which requires casing to fruit, which cubensis doesn't.

If you're growing on coir, manure or straw, little is to be gained from a casing layer if you'll manage moisture properly and mist a few times daily.  A crumpled up and then flattened piece of wax paper laid over the substrate will hold a high humidity right at the surface and encourage pinning.  A casing allows one to be sloppier in technique and still get good results, but as said, it isn't necessary.

Bottom line is whether you use off the shelf potting soil, or peat/verm, lime to an initial pH of 8 to 8.5 and you'll have better resistance to molds.
RR
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Re: MG PM not such a miracle [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8679562 - 07/25/08 08:49 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

DAMN, I forgot the lime!!!!!! that was it!!!!! SON OF A B****


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