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OfflineAlcebiades
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First Bulk Grow w/Pics!
    #8676042 - 07/24/08 11:46 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

So, I pulled off my first bulk grow!  I did a MSI->Winter Rye->Coir+Worm Castings...  Didn't do a casing this time, but I am planning on using 50/50+ on my next project.  Many thanks to all the folks on here who answered my questions and pointed me in the right direction!

Pics:

Overview of F+ substrate. Im VERY happy with my pinset here!


Close up of F+ Substrate.


Another close up of F+ sub.


Overview of B+ Substrate.

Im not as happy with the pinset here, but Im planning on doing a cloning/strain isolation off of the fruits from this harvest.

Close up of B+ Sub.  This is my main candidate so far for cloning/strain isolation...


Another close up of B+ Sub.


And another close up... :laugh:
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Ive still got a R44 substrate colonizing, so more pin porn is on the way!

Hope you all enjoy!

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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: Alcebiades]
    #8676071 - 07/24/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

So there is no casing in this whatsoever?

It's just a tray full of substrate?

hrm, that seems VERY straightforward....

Care to elaborate? (I'm a noob) :smile:


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: Alcebiades]
    #8676072 - 07/24/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

In that last pic it looks like they might be straining a little do to the bluing. Do you have good RH going


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: gethyn]
    #8676093 - 07/24/08 11:58 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

It's always between 90-95% rH... I think the problem *may* be that my booms are growing toward the light.  Anybody know if cubes are phototropic like plants are?  I rotated my FC after I took the pics so the light is now coming from the opposite direction just in case... My next grow will be in monotubs with a light source directly above to eliminate this problem.


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: Blumpy]
    #8676100 - 07/24/08 11:59 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Blumpy said:
So there is no casing in this whatsoever?

It's just a tray full of substrate?

hrm, that seems VERY straightforward....

Care to elaborate? (I'm a noob) :smile:




As you can see this tray is uncased. A Casing layer is what covers the colonized substrate to create a microclimate for the mushies.

I believe you have substrate & casing mixed up.


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: Alcebiades]
    #8676116 - 07/24/08 12:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Anybody know if cubes are phototropic like plants are?  My next grow will be in monotubs with a light source directly above to eliminate this problem.





They're not.


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8676126 - 07/24/08 12:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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psylopsycho said:
Quote:

Blumpy said:
So there is no casing in this whatsoever?

It's just a tray full of substrate?

hrm, that seems VERY straightforward....

Care to elaborate? (I'm a noob) :smile:




As you can see this tray is uncased. A Casing layer is what covers the colonized substrate to create a microclimate for the mushies.

I believe you have substrate & casing mixed up.




Hrm maybe I do... help me out, these pictures are of a substrate (fully colonized by Mycelium) without anything put on top of it for microclimate (casing)

Is that correct? Does this work well? Seems to easy to be true...


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: Blumpy]
    #8676127 - 07/24/08 12:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

And no casing on this one Blumpy.  I was planning on casing, but my subs were already level with the top of the pans I'm using, so I figured why have it spill all over my FC...  It's never a bad idea to do a casing layer from what I've read, as long as you do it right.  In this instance it just would have been a mess due to lack of planning on my part.  Besides, this grow is mostly for a cloning/isolation project.  To steal from people who know a lot more than I do, a casing creates an *optimal* pinning environment, but is hardly necessary for pinning.  Next time I'll be using 50/50+ to case...  I'm doing monotubs with hpoo, straw, coir, gypsum and oyster shell flour, so I want to get the most bang for my buck lol!


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: robanero]
    #8676147 - 07/24/08 12:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Alcebiades said:
Anybody know if cubes are phototropic like plants are?  My next grow will be in monotubs with a light source directly above to eliminate this problem.





They're not.




Any thoughts on why *every* fruit body on my B+ sub is growing in the same direction (i.e. toward the light source)?  Any insight would be truly appreciated!


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: robanero]
    #8676225 - 07/24/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Alcebiades said:
Anybody know if cubes are phototropic like plants are?  My next grow will be in monotubs with a light source directly above to eliminate this problem.





They're not.






Mushrooms are not plants and do not need light to grow. However, P. cubensis is a phototropic mushroom. This means it needs light to trigger a hormonal response in order to form mushrooms. If you can see the rice cakes, there is enough light for this to happen. Many mycologists believe the reason light is important in the growing cycle is because it provides a reliable clue to the mycelium that it has reached the boundary of the substrate in which it is growing. In nature, P. cubensis often lives in a pile of cow manure. Once it has grown through the entire substrate and reaches the edge, light hits it and provides the mycelium with the information that if it forms a mushroom there, it can release spores into the air for distribution. It is not productive to form a mushroom inside the substrate because the spores can not be distributed in that case. Any normal spectrum of light that you have available will work. Sun light, fluorescent or incandescent are all fine and will work. A few minutes of light a day is sufficient but an hour or two will guarantee that pin heads form if everything else (temperature, humidity, the mycelium network is well established, etc.) is right. Be careful not to heat your terrarium too much if you use artificial light near the terrarium.



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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8676273 - 07/24/08 12:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i notice you keep sayin something about a cloning\isolation project. you can use that grow for coloning. and testing the fruits of that MS grow. but i dont understand what you mean by useing a fruit for isolation. by the end of a MS grow you are limited to only a few substrainS. if you are trying to acheive an isolate, you have to start with spores on agar. or am i missing something?


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: seven]
    #8676288 - 07/24/08 12:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

search strain isolation i think you are confused


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: seven]
    #8676314 - 07/24/08 01:11 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Cubes are definitely phototropic, but they don't use the sun for energy, they derive that from the substrate.


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: chobumms]
    #8676416 - 07/24/08 01:44 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I read in a book that they need around 8 hours of light a day
some will disagree with this. also the amount of light needed is small
the book said if you can see in the room they have enough light.
it really doesn't need to be bright a desk lamp is more than enough light




Which is exactly why you must be careful with what you read around here, because that sentence is 100% wrong.  There is a huge difference in a mediocre harvest, and a wall to wall flush.  Search for your answer.  I refuse to type the whole darn thing all over again every week just because the thread is no longer on the front page.
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I found this in half the time that it took you to compose your first post. Guaranteed.

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The outright disinformation being presented as advice in this thread is quite unbelievable.

Light has absolutely NOTHING to do with telling the mycelium that it has reached the surface. The increased fresh air, with the corresponding drop in CO2 levels sends the mycelium that message.

Light is also NOT just to establish the direction the fruits grow. In fact, air currents have a greater effect on direction of growth than light. If you doubt this, place a fan on your crop and watch.

A few seconds of light per day will NOT help to generate a good pinset. In fact, light is a secondary pinning trigger, but an important one. The difference between three or four pins, and hundreds of pins on a substrate can be directly correlated to the length, intensity, and frequency of the light applied, provided the primary pinning triggers have been fulfilled.

The light needs to be intense enough to penetrate 1/2" into the substrate. Not all pins form on the surface. Many originate from deeper in the substrate or casing layer.

Higher frequency light above a color temperature of 5,000 Kelvin will generate far more pins than a 'red' source of light such as incandescent lamps.

Fungi is a living organism that is much more closely related to mammals such as humans, than to plants. People need to quit looking at mycelium as a different kind of plant, which it isn't. Mycelium has been shown to have circadian rhythms just like mammals, and this is the reason that 12/12 light cycles work best. This planet, and all surface life on it are based on the 24 hour day. For best results, learn to work with nature rather than against it. Mycelium has an amazing ability to cope with less than optimal conditions, and will often fruit when a grower does everything wrong. However, do everything right and watch your performance go through the roof.
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This is where I got this info. Although these do not specifically say that they are not photo tropic, I believe there is a post by RR that says that they are not. I could read all of RR's post to find it but I'M not going to. I may stand corrected on this and if so I will graciously learn and remember it.


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: robanero]
    #8676443 - 07/24/08 01:52 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up, Secondary pinning trigger is the key. The more oxygen it gets, the faster it begins to pin, and he's probably saying that this fungus grows towards the light, but is more effected by the air currents.


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: chobumms]
    #8676546 - 07/24/08 02:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

No problem. I'm not saying that RR is 100% right, but he is right more often than not if he is ever wrong.LOL If some one can give me something from Stamets or some other credible EXPERT that actually says that P. cubensis is photo tropic and actually says "photo tropic", I would love to read up on it. I know that there is a lot of outdated info out there so be aware of dates.

Thanks
Roban

PS I am in no way trying to get in to a pissing contest. I just like accurate info, and if I'm wrong I want to be corrected so I don't give inaccurate info.


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: robanero]
    #8676623 - 07/24/08 02:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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No problem. I'm not saying that RR is 100% right, but he is right more often than not if he is ever wrong.LOL If some one can give me something from Stamets or some other credible EXPERT that actually says that P. cubensis is photo tropic and actually says "photo tropic", I would love to read up on it. I know that there is a lot of outdated info out there so be aware of dates.

Thanks
Roban

PS I am in no way trying to get in to a pissing contest. I just like accurate info, and if I'm wrong I want to be corrected so I don't give inaccurate info.




Amen to that. I'll just shut up til' someone comes along and says the right answer.


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: chobumms]
    #8676649 - 07/24/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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No problem. I'm not saying that RR is 100% right, but he is right more often than not if he is ever wrong.LOL If some one can give me something from Stamets or some other credible EXPERT that actually says that P. cubensis is photo tropic and actually says "photo tropic", I would love to read up on it. I know that there is a lot of outdated info out there so be aware of dates.

Thanks
Roban


PS I am in no way trying to get in to a pissing contest. I just like accurate info, and if I'm wrong I want to be corrected so I don't give inaccurate info.




Amen to that. I'll just shut up til' someone comes along and says the right answer.





I decided to search RR's posts for the one I was thinking of and haven't found it so I'm beginning to think I made it up. Waiting to see if he slaps my PeePee. LOL


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: Alcebiades]
    #8676692 - 07/24/08 02:58 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the info...


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Re: First Bulk Grow w/Pics! [Re: Blumpy]
    #8676832 - 07/24/08 03:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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so I'm beginning to think I made it up




What the hell? How can we get in a pissing contest if the urine might be made up?

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