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Outdoor grow and mixing question
    #8645854 - 07/17/08 06:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, if there is an obvious reason why this wont work and Im just being a stupid noob, let me know, so here we go:

Okay, I have about half a dozen 1/2 pint PF jars that are almost completely colonized that Im planning on doing an outdoor grow with.  Im planning on using a verm-cPoo mix as the substrate.  Im going to mix substrate and jars real good and put them into pits that Ive dug.

So heres the question:  I know that in grain jars the jars get shaken up in order to speed the spread of mycelium.  Would this same idea work on outdoor grows too?  I know that I mix things up good in the beginning, but 3, 4 days later would it be beneficial to take a shovel and mix up the substrate again to spread the mycelium to parts of cPoo that havent been colonized yet?

Or is the mixing something specific only to grains, maybe the side-effect of having an inoculation point or to help spread the mycelium through a substrate thats made up of large grains?

Give me your comments or critiques!  Thank you!

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: kiyote]
    #8645972 - 07/17/08 07:31 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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So heres the question:  I know that in grain jars the jars get shaken up in order to speed the spread of mycelium.  Would this same idea work on outdoor grows too?  I know that I mix things up good in the beginning, but 3, 4 days later would it be beneficial to take a shovel and mix up the substrate again to spread the mycelium to parts of cPoo that havent been colonized yet?



No, shaking's only for jars.  Either pre-mix your spawn and substrate or put down a layer of sub in the hole, then sprinkle with a layer of spawn and repeat a couple of times. Maybe put some cardboard/dark plastic sheeting/straw over the top to keep off the sun and retain moisture.

Here's a log of one I did last year from start to finish. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7246615/an/0/page/0

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: roquet]
    #8646150 - 07/17/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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No, shaking's only for jars.  Either pre-mix your spawn and substrate or put down a layer of sub in the hole, then sprinkle with a layer of spawn and repeat a couple of times.




Okay, that's fair, but what's the rational behind it?  Does the mixing cause too much damage to the mycelium with too little returns for it to be worth it?

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Maybe put some cardboard/dark plastic sheeting/straw over the top to keep off the sun and retain moisture.




I have both straw and a grass seeding mat (seedless of course) for this purpose.  Do you think the mat would work?

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Here's a log of one I did last year from start to finish. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7246615/an/0/page/0




Thanks, but the link is broken :frown:

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: kiyote]
    #8646208 - 07/17/08 09:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

the link works ok when I click on your quote. It's also on my journal.

Yeah, the mat should be good. Shaking isn't essential for jars either and may actually damage myc. I've noticed when I shake straight after shooting with LC, they end up less white than the ones I didn't shake. Disturbing your spawned substrate would risk comtams and possibly have no benefit.

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: roquet]
    #8646302 - 07/17/08 10:07 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I've noticed when I shake straight after shooting with LC, they end up less white than the ones I didn't shake




You really shouldn't shake grain jars after inoculation, whether you use liquid or spores.  Let the mycelium get established first.  Shake at 20% to 30% for the one and only time.

As roquet said, don't mess with outdoor patches after you make them.  I'd skip the verm, and simply use coir and some bagged up cow manure from the local nursery if you don't have access to a stable or something.  Instead of verm, mix a bit of the local soil into the coir/manure.  Cover with straw or cardboard and water just enough to prevent drying out.  Wait a month or so, and if it hasn't rained hard by then, place a lawn sprinkler in the area and run for a few consecutive days, an hour or two each day.

It also helps with outdoor patches to plant some grass seed on top.  The blades of grass help to hold a high humidity right at the surface where pins form.
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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: roquet]
    #8646326 - 07/17/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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the link works ok when I click on your quote. It's also on my journal.

Yeah, the mat should be good. Shaking isn't essential for jars either and may actually damage myc. I've noticed when I shake straight after shooting with LC, they end up less white than the ones I didn't shake. Disturbing your spawned substrate would risk comtams and possibly have no benefit.




it doesn't work for me as well.

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    #8646356 - 07/17/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: roquet]
    #8646637 - 07/17/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry mate, it says access denied.  Maybe its not a public journal?

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: kiyote]
    #8646668 - 07/17/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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As roquet said, don't mess with outdoor patches after you make them.  I'd skip the verm, and simply use coir and some bagged up cow manure from the local nursery if you don't have access to a stable or something.




Okay, I was planning on using verm in order to keep the water content fairly up. 

I was under the impression that because Cubes are a tropic plant I had to keep them fairly well watered, dedicating some time every day to the patch.  I take it that if I watered heavily from the beginning it would speed up my first pining but decrease my yield?  This is actually good to know, the place I'm planting isn't easily accessed with a hose so I was planning on touting jugs of water for hydration. 

If it doesn't rain after the month (it might not, I'm in the Midwest during the dry season) I might just have to go out and fill up a large number of jugs and water it by hand for the hour or so...

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: kiyote]
    #8647907 - 07/17/08 04:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Here's a log of one I did last year from start to finish. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7246615/an/0/page/0




Thanks, but the link is broken :frown:




Turns out you need to be registered at least 10 days to view Grow Log forum posts. I'm guessing "access denied" is what you're getting with the same link in my journal rather than getting into the journal to start with. You should be able to see it ok tomorrow. At least it's not Marketplace - that takes 3 months! (or is it 6?)

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: roquet]
    #8648131 - 07/17/08 05:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Ah, okay.  Thanks, I didn't know about the time limits!  (I guess I should read those intro posts and threads more closely <.<  >.> )

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: kiyote]
    #8651925 - 07/18/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Still no access.  Maybe it takes longer than 10 days?  ::shrugs::

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: kiyote]
    #8655148 - 07/19/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Funny, I think I can get at other journals now but still not yours...

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: kiyote]
    #8656287 - 07/19/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

so you can't get into my journal at all? Or you can get in but can't open the GT outdoor grown log thread?

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: roquet]
    #8672919 - 07/23/08 05:50 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, finally I got access!  It must have been two weeks and not ten days ^^

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: kiyote]
    #8672982 - 07/23/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

kiyote,
hopefully you've already seen this. If not...ENJOY.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4563577/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: kiyote]
    #8673188 - 07/23/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey, finally I got access!  It must have been two weeks and not ten days ^^



Hope it was worth it! :smile:

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Re: Outdoor grow and mixing question [Re: roquet]
    #8675679 - 07/24/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

It was!  I think I made the mistake of using too little spawn; I only added around 6 1/2 pint jars.  It might still grow it'll just probably take longer..

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