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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8659744 - 07/20/08 04:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Hah! My Hygrometer cost me $168.76 usd. As for my tek, it works well for me.

-As for the casing not fully colinizing, I will give it a try. Today, I will keep you updated...


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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8659768 - 07/20/08 04:54 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

When you look at that tray later I'll bet there is no water to pour out. I have put water in mine 3x today and it just sucked it right up. None to pour out.


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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: HazeyRoms]
    #8660005 - 07/20/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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-First off, when you do a casing... You need to let the mecylium reincubate all over again until the top casing is covered completly white in growth. The humidity should be around 95+RH if you want it to go by quickly & if you are doing any casing really.




A casing layer should NOT be 100% colonized! Substrates should.

We need to be careful what terms we use. It's very confusing. I still get confused and I've been here for a few days. :2cents:


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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8663919 - 07/21/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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PowerOfTheCoir, do you use the wax paper as a general practice or just to "fix" things?  do you leave it on and let the pins push it up? thanks




I mostly use it to fix things. I'll put it on as soon as something makes me unconfident in my humidity, or if I have a problem that I just can't identify. A good casing layer and a decent macro-environment will eliminate the need for wax paper. Wax paper is useful on cased substrates only when either the casing layer has problems, the air is too dry for the casing to maintain 95-100% RH in the pinning micro-climate, or the casing performed fine but eventually dried out since it was never misted.

I only make it a practice when I am trying out un-cased substrates. With uncased substrates (or substrates which have completely colonized a nutritious "casing" layer like coir) the RH should be maintained at nearly 100%. Cased subs prefer that too, but they don't NEED it. With the wax paper, uncased subs are more resilient to drops in the RH.

You can use wax paper the whole time, but not the same piece. For either substrate, you can leave it on until the fruits are ready to harvest. They'll like the humidity, so use it the whole time if you think they will benefit. It weight is so negligible that the pins/fruits won't even know its there. I would, however, change the sheet every few days. It does get soggy. I try to change it almost every day when I'm using it, but that's just because it's so darn cheap.

I often recommend it as a possible solution to most problems not because it will necessarily solve most problems. Rather, it's just so cheap and easy to do that there's no reason not to at least try it. Even the tightest budgets can afford a sheet of wax paper and there's no way it will hurt anything. At the very least, it eliminates one possibility and tells us to look elsewhere.


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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8671365 - 07/23/08 11:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

an update on the casing. 2.5 days after draining the water out after a 10 hour soak(didn't totally cover it just filled the pan until is started floating,didn't want to put any weight to make it sink out of fear of further packing down the casing layer) and 9 days total of being in the FC, this is how it's looking.  this is also the setup the FC is in. it's in a cabinet that is not fully closed,cracked an inch or so. the light(20 watt fluor 6500K) is on for several hours a day and the small fan up top is facing out so it sucks air into the cabinet around the tub, it's on for 15 mins 5 times a day.

not sure if the soak kind of reset things as far as how long it will take for pins to show. if so then i have a while to go, but if not i would think they should be there now or VERY soon.  however when i look at it(and i don't know what i'm doing,so who knows) it just doesn't look like a proper casing that's about to fruit(packed too tight or something). any advice/predictions/thoughts etc? thanks







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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8672366 - 07/23/08 03:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Wait did you get a flush out of the casing yet?


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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: Krez]
    #8672731 - 07/23/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

just wait it out man.  sometimes it takes longer than usual.

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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: This guy]
    #8672900 - 07/23/08 05:44 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I dont dunk anything anymore. I either get contams or my mycelium in the tray just dies. All my troubles were with proper dunking.I get big flushes without dunking. I dont recommend dunking to anyone. You might just want to try spraying or misting;it has worked for me. Your mycelium might just die now.

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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8673108 - 07/23/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

fae?? might be a dumb question but i don't know it so i asked

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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: ddtc]
    #8674171 - 07/23/08 10:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Wait did you get a flush out of the casing yet?




nope, not even pins yet

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Your mycelium might just die now.




D'oh

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fae??




it's in this cabinet with the door cracked and a small fan,upper right, blowing out of the cabinet, so it's sucking in through the crack of the door. check it when i fan a couple times a day and no real heavy CO2 smell


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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8676597 - 07/24/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

CO2 Doesn't have a smell. Miners and spelunkers sometime die from encountering CO2 concentrations in caves because there is no way to measure it without instrumentation.

You have a nice, thick layer of damp perlite and no standing water - GOOD JOB! You need way more holes though. Watch RR's video (part 3) on youtube or on his site. A shotgun fc has HUNDREDS of holes and they're on all 6 sides. You would need to open and fan yours constantly to make up for having so few holes. Drill them everywhere and put the tub on some small blocks or something so that the bottom ones can take in air. Humid air actually weighs LESS than dry air (gasses at the same pressure have the same # of molecules by volume and 1 molecule of H2O weighs less than both O2 and N2). With the shotgun FC, air is humidified to 100% in the perlite layer and then creates a very slight flow up through the layer. This keeps the RH nice and high and assists with FAE.

Username "ddtc" - FAE = Fresh Air Exchange - it refers to methods for keeping CO2 from building up in the FC. Fungi produce lots of CO2 just like humans - they need the C)2 removed and O2 supplies replenished


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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8678377 - 07/24/08 11:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

there's at least 150 holes if you count all 6 sides,top and bottom.  just the sides have over 100 and there's about 50 on the lid and quite a few on the bottom, not in the pic shown but it is up about half an inch off the shelf, i could raise it more if that would help. as for the smell, i guess it's something else i was associating with C02 that i don't smell much of now but have before,maybe a natural myc smell that i'm not getting off this casing for some reason?

Edited by chrisnh (07/24/08 11:41 PM)

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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8689868 - 07/27/08 07:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

at what point do you know if you have a bad casing that isn't going to pin? and what can be done from there to save it? thanks :smile:

just after i right that i look real close and see this


of course it has to be coming from the side right? oh well at least it's a pin. any suggestions on what to do with this? or just leave it as is and let it pin however it wants. thanks

Edited by chrisnh (07/27/08 08:28 PM)

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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8695700 - 07/29/08 01:47 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

is it too early to say this if poor FAE(looking a little skinny)? R44 strain. thanks





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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8696626 - 07/29/08 09:42 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

wow, i didn't expect these to mature already and be so small :frown: picked this morning and the bigger of the 2 is shorter than my pinky. i don't get it, humidity is pegged 24/7 and there seems to be enough FAE.


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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8697455 - 07/29/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Side pinning usually indicates a lack of moisture in the casing or, more likely, a low humidity at the surface of the casing. The reason that pins form in between the foil and the casing is that there is a very high RH there.


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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8699956 - 07/29/08 10:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

thanks. guess i'll give it a good misting. but what would explain why they matured so small?

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Re: casing not looking too good [Re: chrisnh]
    #8703550 - 07/30/08 05:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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thanks. guess i'll give it a good misting. but what would explain why they matured so small?




Most likely - low moisture availability in the substrate.


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