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Stalled monotubs
    #8646454 - 07/17/08 10:43 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Say there is a monotub that appears to be fully colonized for around two weeks. The surface of the casing has condensation building, maybe indicating poor air exchange. The mycelium seems to keep growing new layers at the surface. There are NO pins. Is this an fae problem?


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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: Ubermensch]
    #8646487 - 07/17/08 10:53 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

That definitely sounds like a lack of FAE. It's continued growth indicates that it's still in colonization mode and hasn't yet received the necessary triggers to go into fruiting. Drastically increase your FAE and make sure you have a good light source (It needs pinning triggers fast!). If you're woried about overdoing the FAE and losing humidity, lay a piece of crumpled and straightened wax paper directly on the surface. It will greatly preserve/increase the rH right at the surface (pinning zone) and thus give you a bit more of a humidity safety margin so you can err on the side of FAE.

I'm 99% sure it is FAE, but just in case, are you using anything nutritious, like coir, in the casing material? That could cause the over-colonization of the surface, but doesn't explain why it hasn't gone into fruiting for 2 weeks.

EDIT - It's likely FAE because increased O2/ decreased CO2 (aka FAE) is one of, if not the, biggest pinning trigger. A buildup of CO2 in the FC would trick the myc into thinking that it's still under a pile of poop and shouldn't fruit yet.


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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8646508 - 07/17/08 10:58 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Power is right on I believe. I'm curios about you casing layer too. What does it consist of. Are you able to put pix of it up for us.


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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: robanero]
    #8646534 - 07/17/08 11:06 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Agree with Coir. Try dropping the temperature a little...What is the temp exactly?


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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: robanero]
    #8646548 - 07/17/08 11:13 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

now those are some big tits


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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: 667]
    #8646554 - 07/17/08 11:15 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

FAE. Gotta be.


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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: 667]
    #8646635 - 07/17/08 11:36 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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now those are some big tits



You should see them in person. LOL with a biiiig :grin: on Robans face.


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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: robanero]
    #8646875 - 07/17/08 12:50 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

The temp is good around 75. There is no casing layer. In this situation would it be wise to apply one now, even after two weeks of full colonization?


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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: Ubermensch]
    #8646882 - 07/17/08 12:52 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I would.


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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: robanero]
    #8647070 - 07/17/08 01:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Mmmmm...I'm assuming your humidity is correct. I don't know man. Just add the casing, and let it do its thing. This happens sometimes, and usually they will eventually grow. May take a little longer than you want, but will grow.


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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: Ubermensch]
    #8647321 - 07/17/08 02:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i would use a very thin casing, only enough to cover the mycelium. or the wax paper idea. that casing layer will provide that micro-environment needed for pinning right at the surface level. i mist and fan mine as many times as i can a day and have a fan in the room going constantly 24 hrs. a day. i like to late case like fahtster. i always get a good pinset. either way you've got to introduce as much fresh air as possible.

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Re: Stalled monotubs [Re: Ubermensch]
    #8648368 - 07/17/08 07:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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The temp is good around 75. There is no casing layer. In this situation would it be wise to apply one now, even after two weeks of full colonization?




Whoa! Didn't I read something along the lines of:
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The surface of the casing has condensation building, maybe indicating poor air exchange



in the original post? Right now my inner Dr. House is screaming about what all patients do!

OK, now it's more complicated. You have a monotub with no casing and no pins. The problem is that in monotub, the casing layer is what creates the humidity in the tub. Without a casing layer, any humidity must now come from the substrate. FAE is not necessarily the problem anymore (and I was enjoying all of those "dittos" sooooooo much).

With an uncased substrate, you need to have 95-100% rH (preferably around 100) to trigger pin formation. With a cased substrate, the minimum number is much lower because the casing creates a 100% rH micro-environment inside of the uncolonized casing that just happens to be right where the pins form.

Unless your FAE was truly awful, I doubt that you could have maintained the necessary pinning rH without a casing. If you did maintain 95-100%, that must have been a ton of evaporation from the substrate surface. It would have to be drying out a bit. If you try to pick up your tub, it might be noticeably lighter already.

I tried late casing and didn't like it, but I think that you might need to go that route. I'd strongly recommend a 50/50 type casing that's been carefully pasteurized. I know everyone has their opinions on casings types and preps, but the beneficial bacteria in pasteurized peat might help induce pinning and you need all the help you can get. Go thin, like someone above me said (I hit "quote," so I can't see the thread) Throw a layer of crumpled wax paper over the casing layer too. Improve the heck out of your FAE (with a fresh casing and wax paper, you can err a little on the side of excess). Check your casing layer at least once a day. If it's drying out, mist it. The substrate might be thirsty.

Use bright 6500K fluorescents to really scream "PIN DAMNIT!" at your sub.


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