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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8636431 - 07/15/08 04:47 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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As technology progresses, we truly are coming closer and closer to the brink. There is no doubting this. All we have to do is for a moment, imagine, and it is given. It is true now that we are on this brink, as it was true 50, a hundred, and thousands of years ago. We are always at the front of any path.




What you say here does have some truth. It is true that for each generation, it appears that we are always at our "peak". Technologies are new, ideas are fresh. The case is the same with each passing generation. But this "brink" you speak of, if you are talking about some kind of groundbreaking, humanity change brink...we have never really been close to that until now. Why? Well think about it. A thousand years ago how could humanity have possibly destroyed itself? We could have fought long lasting wars, and we did...but we didn't have the knowledge or the technology to cause significant long term damage. In the dark ages of the 11th and 12th centuries where the bubonic plague was wiping out vast amounts of populations...even this event did not really threaten our race because, at that point in our history, we were not dense enough, nor mobile enough, to spread the disease to everyone.

It hasn't been until the 20th century that we literally have the means and the capability to change the face of our planet. There is no denying this, its just a fact. And have you watched Dr. Albert Bartlett's video about exponential growth? The population on Earth is increasing at about 1% a year....that equates to roughly a doubling time of 70 years. The population on Earth now is somewhere between 6-7 billion people....so in 70 years it will be 12-14 billion. Its simply not possible to hold that many people on Earth. So that leaves two options.

a) there will be some kind of extinction event
b) we will discover some sort of radical new technology that will allow us to continue to grow and prosper.

Either way, society will have to make some changes to accommodate either of these options. It might not necessarily be an "apocalypse", but it could be the beginning of new "age" for mankind...much like we classify history now into Stone Age, Bronze Age, and Iron Age.




Yeah, I agree BrainChemistry, it seems pretty literal these days.

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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8636494 - 07/15/08 05:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Either way, society will have to make some changes to accommodate either of these options. It might not necessarily be an "apocalypse", but it could be the beginning of new "age" for mankind...much like we classify history now into Stone Age, Bronze Age, and Iron Age.




Hindu sages have talked about this (yugas/ages) and that we are now entering the golden age, the age of light, also referred to as the age of aquarius. All new ages begin with destruction of the previous


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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: Chronic7]
    #8636832 - 07/15/08 08:17 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Its due to one simple truth, because it is inevitable.

These kinds of statements are never true IMO. Many of the factors mentioned about can be factors in end of the world dreams.

You sure do feel you are the one who knows around here.


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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: MOTH]
    #8636865 - 07/15/08 08:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I believe people want to believe this because an apocalyptic or great event (not necessarily catastrophic) which usher in great changes around the world.

Many people are stuck in a rut and wish to change their life, regardless of what it is changed to, but do not have the courage or strength to change it themselves. That is why people are often seen clamoring for external change (2012, for instance). It's so they can be part of a great world event that changes their lives without actually doing anything themselves.

That and people are just obsessed with death. That's certainly the easiest explanation.

Just my .02.

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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: Redstorm]
    #8636901 - 07/15/08 08:43 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

This has been true for me.:thumbup:


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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: Icelander]
    #8637728 - 07/15/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the replies, everyone.  Gave me much to think about.

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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: MOTH]
    #8637774 - 07/15/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It could be that past experiences of nasty worldwide events have left some imprint upon our "collective unconscious".  It does appear to be an archetypal image.  It doesn't mean anything messed up has to happen.  It could be installations like H.A.A.R.P. create disasters so as to make people things horrible prophecy is coming true?  Gov't using religious prophecy for sociological manipulation?  Personally I think that holding apocalyptic images inside our heads can't be a good thing.

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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8637816 - 07/15/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Personally I think that holding apocalyptic images inside our heads can't be a good thing.

Looking the other way as it happens because a large percentage are waiting for a NEW heaven and Earth...??  Science says WTF...??  Oh and somehow we are United.


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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: MOTH]
    #8639139 - 07/15/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hi Moth -
I read this book last March because I too feel the activity of the archetype of the end of the world:



Editor's Preface

"This book will challenge the reader to accept a disturbing premise: namely, that the world as we know it is coming to an end in the very near future."


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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #8641443 - 07/16/08 06:50 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, Markos.  I was hoping you would respond to this thread.  :heart:

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Re: The 'End of the World' archetype [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8642620 - 07/16/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You may well ask why there is a fantasy about a beginning. Then you know a beginning must have an end. Plants die. Animals die. Humans die. Even the sun will die some day. Armageddon is really 'common sense' to many people.


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