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beginnings of my first monotub, *pics*
    #8639226 - 07/15/08 06:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

what do you think?
that is the amount of straw I am about to spawn 5 pints of GT WBS into, think its enough? any suggestions? Thanks!


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8639454 - 07/15/08 07:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

come on nobody? :eek:


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8639460 - 07/15/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Need more info to better help ya out bro, but for what I can think of, it looks okay for a monotub-stylee.

I see that one of those holes is pretty far down, I think it will be okay, but if you get the pretty little pinset I know you want, you will have fruits VERY near that hole. I dont' know if it means anything, just think about it in the future. Usually , I put any holes up above my fruiting area. But to each his own.


Other than that, clean job, I see you are ready to fruit something!

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8639479 - 07/15/08 07:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

it seems like too much bird seed for the straw... however it would colonize quicker. If you use more straw youll get more  product, butittle take longer to colonize and be more prone to contamination. basically its a horse a piece. ya kno?  oh yea... the more you chop the straw up the quicker it colonizes. idk if u know that or not

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: 5t3v3]
    #8639513 - 07/15/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, with that small amount of straw, and 5qts wbs, you are going to not have but about 3 inches on that tub. Which is below the air port, but......



I woud just spawn that WBS to a tray, then place the tray in the monotub after it re-colonizes. This way, you could put the lid on the tray and add a casing layer.

If you aren't going to go all out and add at least 1:1 spawn/bulk, then just do all spawn for the sake of contams. I know that's crazy, but really why risk you healthy myc for just a little bit more bulk?

and I would chop that straw a little bit more, just a little.


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: aspore]
    #8639594 - 07/15/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

well I did it up, we'll see what happens, it seems like the best way to learn about this shit is trial and error :smile: next time I will be a lot better prepared now that I know what im dealing with and have learned from this experience.... I layered the straw with that 5 pints and it is pretty thin prolly only about 1.5" and it should be closer to 3" but hey now I know :smile: we'll see what happens ill keep ya posted =)


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8643854 - 07/16/08 05:28 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

can wee see a pic of the completed tub

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: The]
    #8644045 - 07/16/08 06:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

yes give me a couple mins


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8644157 - 07/16/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i would've put more holes. at least four. i've found that the more fresh air exchange i get, the better the pinset. do you plan on opening and fanning the tub?

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: goldieman]
    #8644219 - 07/16/08 07:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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i would've put more holes. at least four. i've found that the more fresh air exchange i get, the better the pinset. do you plan on opening and fanning the tub?




what about RH

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: The]
    #8644268 - 07/16/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

at least 4 more holes? its got 6 now, when I opened it to take this pic it was very hot and humid inside, I guess I will have to open it very briefly maybe once a day for air exchange, I noticed pushing in on the sides of the tote also exchanges the air a little

heres what it looks like today, it seems just a bit whiter than yesterday, the spawn was by no means covered completley on the top by straw yesterday when I put it together....



next time I will definatley have a lot more straw to use this was indeed not enough....


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8644594 - 07/16/08 09:11 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Check out the SRC in my sig. It will tell you how much spawn and sub you need for the dimensions of your tub.


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: robanero]
    #8644918 - 07/16/08 10:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I pretty sure that you have enough holes and you shouldn't be opening the tub on a daily basis.I wouldent do anything until a regular chimes in.


btw IS that scotch tape?

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: The]
    #8645812 - 07/17/08 05:58 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I see that you have plastic in the bottom to block light, thats good. You should have covered over the top of your straw with some also untill it colonized. It doesn't need as much FAE untill it's colonized and ready to pin.

Monotubs do not need THAT much FAE, but they need it. I think your holes are okay, but they seemed pretty filled with polyfil, which could prevent their function. I would wait untill you get your first flush before changing anything else. Just put it away and leave it alone, the more you look at uncolonized sub, the more likely for contams. Just put it away for at least 6 more days. No need for misting/fanning at this point.


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: aspore]
    #8650081 - 07/18/08 07:41 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

ok cool thanks, yeah i tried to stuff a pretty good amount of polyfill in there, and I did use the spawn ratio calculator its awesome! i just didnt have enough straw =/ and yes its scotch tape I know its not gonna hold in the moisture =/

so i should wiat till its colonized then thinly case with 50/50+ right?

thanks again!


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8653409 - 07/18/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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at least 4 more holes? its got 6 now, when I opened it to take this pic it was very hot and humid inside, I guess I will have to open it very briefly maybe once a day for air exchange, I noticed pushing in on the sides of the tote also exchanges the air a little

heres what it looks like today, it seems just a bit whiter than yesterday, the spawn was by no means covered completley on the top by straw yesterday when I put it together....



next time I will definatley have a lot more straw to use this was indeed not enough....




im not worried about yor fae now while colonizing. you dont need it. but when you start to fruit, its essential to proper pin development.

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: The]
    #8653426 - 07/18/08 11:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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i would've put more holes. at least four. i've found that the more fresh air exchange i get, the better the pinset. do you plan on opening and fanning the tub?




what about RH




with that polyfil you wont lose much humidity. i've heard its better to fit the polyfil loosely for better air exchange. not saying his is too tight, i cant tell. just saying what i've heard from some experienced growers

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: The]
    #8653445 - 07/18/08 11:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I pretty sure that you have enough holes and you shouldn't be opening the tub on a daily basis.I wouldent do anything until a regular chimes in.


btw IS that scotch tape?




pretty sure? why r u chiming in if your not a regular. anyways , you dont need to do it the way i say. i'm just suggesting some very basic procedures on getting the most out of your project. no, you dont have to open them everyday, but why not. neglect works but aint nothin wrong wit a lil TLC. thats why i asked if you have a fan going in that same room. if you dont, your going to need to fan and mist. i may not have many posts, but i have lots of trial and error over the past year. i'm just reiterating what i've found to be fundamental.

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8653449 - 07/18/08 11:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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ok cool thanks, yeah i tried to stuff a pretty good amount of polyfill in there, and I did use the spawn ratio calculator its awesome! i just didnt have enough straw =/ and yes its scotch tape I know its not gonna hold in the moisture =/

so i should wiat till its colonized then thinly case with 50/50+ right?

thanks again!




exactly. you dont want to case uncolonized substrate

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: goldieman]
    #8668527 - 07/22/08 05:37 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

think its time to case with 50/50  yet? I plan to put just a thin layer so I can just BARLEY cover the straw is this correct?


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8668767 - 07/22/08 06:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

im gonna assume it is in fact time, I dont think it can get any more colonized than that!


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8669107 - 07/22/08 07:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quick Question are you using just straw or a straw poo mix??

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: Damion5050]
    #8669111 - 07/22/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

straight straw!


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8669135 - 07/22/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

you are going to love your results, beautiful tub man!

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: jeetered]
    #8671488 - 07/23/08 12:01 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

its not very deep, probably only 1.5 inches or so, but we shall see :smile:


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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: antimatt3r]
    #8673268 - 07/23/08 07:11 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

cased lightly with 50/50+ today





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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: aspore]
    #8673322 - 07/23/08 07:22 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, with that small amount of straw, and 5qts wbs, you are going to not have but about 3 inches on that tub. Which is below the air port, but......



I woud just spawn that WBS to a tray, then place the tray in the monotub after it re-colonizes. This way, you could put the lid on the tray and add a casing layer.

If you aren't going to go all out and add at least 1:1 spawn/bulk, then just do all spawn for the sake of contams. I know that's crazy, but really why risk you healthy myc for just a little bit more bulk?

and I would chop that straw a little bit more, just a little.




ASPORE, then that wouldn't be a monotub, it would be a fruiting chamber for casings, GET WITH IT!!

he's talking about a monotub dude, not a fruiting chamber:


herer is a monotub:



so not confuse anyone...

ASPORE /me slaps you with a dry trout lip.

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: jeetered]
    #8673334 - 07/23/08 07:24 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

antimatt3r it's looking great!

next time double your substrate depth though would be my suggestion, other then that text book monotub!

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: jeetered]
    #8673411 - 07/23/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

hey antimatter... 

im not criticizing you..  but why such a thin layer of casing?  I just see it as a waste of time to even prepare 50/50 + if you're only going to use a small amount like that.

with a layer that small..  i would have gone with the late casing tek and maybe about twice as thick a casing layer.  Thats just in my experience.  that casing to me looks like it will hold as much moisture as it would uncased.


I hope it explodes.  I've never used straw only, but have heard, and read a lot about one flush wonders.  but insane first flushes. 

see ya!  good luck. and im look'n forward more updates!

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    #8673464 - 07/23/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i've never used a casing layer more then a quarter inch deep.

no need in it.

your substrate should be at a proper water content where your entire grow does not solely rely on your "casing' layer being wet, that's not what a casing layer is meant for, it's meant for a contam barrier, not hydro supply!

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    #8673785 - 07/23/08 09:25 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

well i just chose an inch because 1 quart of casing is exactly an inch across the sub. surface.  I've never had myc taking more than 4 days to engulf the casing.  I guess irregardless.. it works either way:thumbup:

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: This guy]
    #8677266 - 07/24/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Looks pretty good I may have to try this I am currently using BRF cakes, then I case them in a 50/50 in aluminum turkey pans.. I am looking for something better though, and I can't really get poo around here..  Also if it matters I use a automated 4 tier greenhouse..

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Re: beginnings of my first monotub, *pics* [Re: jeetered]
    #8683153 - 07/26/08 05:07 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, with that small amount of straw, and 5qts wbs, you are going to not have but about 3 inches on that tub. Which is below the air port, but......



I woud just spawn that WBS to a tray, then place the tray in the monotub after it re-colonizes. This way, you could put the lid on the tray and add a casing layer.

If you aren't going to go all out and add at least 1:1 spawn/bulk, then just do all spawn for the sake of contams. I know that's crazy, but really why risk you healthy myc for just a little bit more bulk?

and I would chop that straw a little bit more, just a little.




ASPORE, then that wouldn't be a monotub, it would be a fruiting chamber for casings, GET WITH IT!!

he's talking about a monotub dude, not a fruiting chamber:


herer is a monotub:



so not confuse anyone...

ASPORE /me slaps you with a dry trout lip.






OMG, I was talking about a FC. WTF. I have no idea where I got that from...


Yeah, what he said. ^

I still stick with adding more bulk.


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    #8683158 - 07/26/08 05:10 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

THIS is a tray in a fruiting chamber.

The tray takes up most of the bottom of the FC, only a little space around the edge. It's setting on perlite.





This was using about the same amount of sub as this grow. APpLes and OraNgeS


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