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 Newbie grower. Help needed 
#863453 - 09/04/02 11:00 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey, I just ordered Treasure Coast spores from sporeworks.com. I'm planning on using the vermiculite/BRF/water in mason jar meathod. I read somewhere that you can subsitute "Dark rye flour" for either brown rice flour or vermiculite. I called up my local brewry store and the only rye they had was Chocolate Dark Rye. Would this substitue of verm. or BRF?? I also had a few questions about sporeworks. Are they reliable?? Do they ship fast and discreetly? Are their products reliable??
I looked through the teks and they were very helpful. I hope to learn more about growing quality psycho mushrooms.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#863458 - 09/04/02 11:02 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im not sure about the substitute thing, never heard of it.
As for www.sporeworks.com, yes they are VERY reliable. They ship quick and very descreet!
Good 1st vendor choice. good luck!
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Fd3000]
#863472 - 09/04/02 11:09 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot FD. About how much time will it take for my order to get to me?? I have ordered from various other vendors for mariujana seeds, and it has taken several weeks to get my order, and sometimes months in the case of Marc Emery's slowing his shipping down. Anyways, I live in the midwest USA.. how long will it take from there to here approximately?? I assume Sporeworks is in Tennesee because of the 8.25% tax imposed on spores sent to customers of that state.. is it in Tennessee??
Oh, another question. Can I use the described above meathod for growing mushies if I use a print?? I read the teks and nothing was said about using prints, just syringes. Thanks for the help guys.
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Edited by Sammy (09/04/02 11:10 AM)
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#863486 - 09/04/02 11:13 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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the last thing a new grower wants to do is mess with a print. it involves much much more opportunity for contams. sometimes people will scrape spores into a jar to innoc..but do you want to open the jar your first try growing? probably not. other make syringes from prints but..why not jsut pay the extra 8 bucks for the syringe and save yourself the hassle. rest assured it's clean that way, also.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#863487 - 09/04/02 11:13 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Iif you can?t find BRF, you can buy regular rice and grind it using a coffee grinder.
You can?t substitute vermiculite in the PF recipe for nothing.
The "Chocolate Dark Rye" is likely roasted and caramelized, I woudn?t use that.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Anno]
#863506 - 09/04/02 11:21 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot guys!! I just happen to have about 24 pounds of white rice (commercial white rice like the kind you buy in the large burlap bag). That would work right?? I know I just read you can use white rice.. but I can't believe it.. I must have gone to five different health food stores and three markets to find it. The vermiculite has to be of medium to medium fine grade correct? If I cannot find those grades, but only find coarse can I also smash that up to create a smaller grade?? This is very exciting and interesting. Thank you again for all your help. I'm looking forward to an answer about how long it might take to get from sporeworks.com to my place in the midwest USA.
Are spores illegal to send through the mail?? Do they get picked up much by the authorities when in the hands of the postal system??
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#863511 - 09/04/02 11:24 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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is the white rice organic? if not then no =( spores are legal here except in cali and georgia. more state'll probly illegalize them eventually too. i don't think the grade o vermiculite matters all that much but i'd let anno answer that one.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#863513 - 09/04/02 11:26 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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>can I also smash that
No, you can?t smash it. Vermiculite is soft.
But you can grind it up with a food processor.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Anno]
#863520 - 09/04/02 11:33 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do not believe it is organic white rice. I read that you can use non organic BRF because the pesticide they put on them is not in a high enough dose to hurt the spores. Is it true for BRF and not true for regular white rice?? Damn, I was very happy to hear I could finally use all that white rice I have in the pantry. Can anyone confirm his claim that regular white rice cannot be used unless it is organic?? Also thank you for the statement that spores are not illegal in my state, I neither live in CA or GA.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#863531 - 09/04/02 11:37 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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>I read that you can use non organic BRF because the pesticide they put on them
>is not in a high enough dose to hurt the spores.
True. First, the pesticides on grains are mold specific, not against the growth of higher fungi, second, if the amounts would be so big, people shouldn?t eat it either.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Anno]
#863539 - 09/04/02 11:40 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sporeworks will probably get your order to you in 5 days or so if you payed with credit card. If you payed with money order it will be 10 or so.
The reason MJ seed vendors take longer is because none of them are located in the US. All of them are across seas or in NarcEmery's case Canada. NarcEmery is just a bad vedor overall.....
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Anno]
#863544 - 09/04/02 11:41 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, fast responses here. Much appreciated. So are you saying that I could use the rice that I have safely in growing in a jar??
I'm also planning on using a large pot to stearlise my jars/medium. I have heard that a pressure cooker works much better than the pot meathod... but is the pot meathod reliable?? I do not plan on microwaving the mixture due to the aluminum foil you have to have on the top of the jar when steralizing. What do people do when they micro to decontaminate?? Take the foil off??
Thanks for helping out an experianced marijuana.. but extremely new mushroom grower.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#863549 - 09/04/02 11:43 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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>but is the pot meathod reliable??
For PF-tek, more or less, yes....
Boil at least 60 minutes, better 90 minutes.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Anno]
#863559 - 09/04/02 11:49 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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So Anno, you would reccomend me using the rice I have now that is nonorganic?? I'm sure I can wash it off a bit with a few sprays of water and then leave them out to dry. Thanks for the advice on the pot meathod. I was planning on putting it in for 90 min because that's what I read the reccomended time is.
How long do spores last in a syringe once it gets to my place in five days??
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#863564 - 09/04/02 11:53 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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In reply to:
How long do spores last in a syringe once it gets to my place in five days??
I've seen them last over two years in the fridge. I'm sure it could be longer than that, too.
Good luck!
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#863566 - 09/04/02 11:54 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, I?m quite sure this will work, at least it worked for me, I tried it out with severl different brands.
>How long do spores last in a syringe once it gets to my place in five days??
http://shroomery.org/faq/faq.php?display=faq&nr=87&catnr=7&prog=1&lang=en
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Anno]
#863625 - 09/04/02 12:30 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amazing, I'm on a hunt for vermiculite in my town and surrounding towns. I'm trying all the usual 'mart stores and Lowes.. HD... etc. It's been quite a help for me to be on this forum and I look forward to posting pics of my first grow to show to you guys. How much dry yield should I expect from a batch of ten 1/2pt jars PF style with Treasure Coast species?? I recently saw a grow post w/ pics that in the first flushing w/ a different strain, a guy grew 19.5 dried grams in the first flush, on his first try. Is tihs realistic for me?? Also, how much less of a gram amount does the second, and third flush produce??
Sorry for all the questions, I'm very happy to soak in all the knowledge I can,
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#863656 - 09/04/02 12:51 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Regular" dark rye flour works fine. You will find it and/or brown rice flour in any decent health food store.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Anno]
#863675 - 09/04/02 01:01 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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erm, what about unrefridgerated spore syringes? *looks all worried like*
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Anno]
#863725 - 09/04/02 01:37 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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you can find organic brown rice flour at any grocery store in the United States and worldwide i'm sure. Riceland is the brand I use.. just look on the bag or box and make sure it either says "all natural" or "organic".. you shouldn't have a problem finding it. I wouldn't use regular white rice.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Snobrdr311]
#863925 - 09/04/02 03:50 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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well I ground up about five cups of white rice.. looks good. I'm going to the grocery store tomorrow that I didn't check. I have 25lbs of Riceland extra long grain rice from Costco. Lots of good rice!
I was also wondering how many mushrooms usually grow on a PF cake through all the flushings minus the tiny aborts??
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#864041 - 09/04/02 04:42 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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BTW, the Bob's Red Mill website has a store finder. I think only a very small percentage of retailers are actually listed in it (the store I buy mine at isn't listed), but it still might help you. Some health food stores are pretty lame, so you should look in your yellow pages and try to find stores with potential. You could also call some of them and ask if they carry Bob's Red Mill flours.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: MechanicalMan]
#864063 - 09/04/02 04:55 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was on Cannabis Culture and asked a question in the forum that deals w/ other drugs about flours, and got this response:
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As for flour- if you cannot find the Brown Rice flour, you just aswell can buy whole Brown Rice and grind it in a coffee grinder or the likes. There is no stigma that states you have to have 'absolutely' organic- non organic is just as fine! Brown Rice is supposed to be more nutritious than White- I never have actually heard of White being used in mushroom cultivation, so I can't really comment on that. Brown Rice flour should be available widely at grocery stores (sometimes gormet section) and health food stores.
You actually can substitute other flours- Rye Grain flour being another good one. Brown Rice is supposedly the best, as far as nutritious content which aids in overall vigor to the mycelium growth, more so than others- or so I have read. Many switch and vary the flours used, not just Borwn Rice is used. So you have several options to go with actually.
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Can I use Rye Grain?? I know I can get that from the local brewery for about 1.60$ a pound. Do you sugguest this?
I am so sorry for all these dumbass questions, my spores come in a few days, I have to cancel the internet soon and need to get all the info I can before I have to walk my ass all the way to the library a mile away to get any info.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#864119 - 09/04/02 05:25 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Try the whole grains section of the FAQ.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: mickey_rourke]
#864144 - 09/04/02 05:40 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot for the help. I read this in that section:
Recipe #1 Whole white rice recipe
QUART jar:
300 ml whole white rice
400 ml water
PINT jar:
150 ml whole white rice
200 ml water
Where does the vermiculite come in the equation??
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#864150 - 09/04/02 05:45 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Where does the vermiculite come in the equation??
Obviously there is no need to use vermiculite when using whole grains. If you want to use whole grains in the PF Tek, try grinding it up into a powder and using it as you would rice flour.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: mickey_rourke]
#864165 - 09/04/02 05:55 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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What the hell?? So I just use straight grain and water.. those are the only two ingredients?? I have no idea where to get gypsum but that seems to be an option. What is an exact PF recipe that I should use?? Give me that and I promise to stop asking questions in the thread. Also please indicate if I should powder the grain or rice or not. This is pretty confusing for my pea sized brain. Thanks for any explanation.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#864183 - 09/04/02 06:06 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I recommend the amounts used in PF for Simple Minds.
*edit* Use flour...just follow one of the PF teks. You should be able to find flour where you live if you look hard enough. I found it at the first store I tried. You probably have a decent health food store around that will carry it. If not, it wouldn't be terribly expensive to order.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: MechanicalMan]
#864187 - 09/04/02 06:07 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks, I was just wondering if I could use the grain to subsitute the vermiculite and then use the BRF or White Rice Flour also. I cannot find vermiculite yet.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#864196 - 09/04/02 06:12 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes, you can just leave the grains whole. I recomend quart jars with myco-supply/FP filter disks. Try this after you get the pf tek done once. And definatly don't use the white rice.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#864200 - 09/04/02 06:15 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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They will have verm at Lowe's if you have one in your area. I actually don't really know where else to buy it, but I would think possibly stores like Ace and True Value. It can also be ordered, but I would think you should be able to find it somewhere locally.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: MechanicalMan]
#864211 - 09/04/02 06:19 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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fuck it. I'm all confused .. the whole purpose in using these grains for me would be avoiding the use of vermiculite... .and make it easy to get all the proper things to get the grow going. Can I just use the normal aluminum foil instead of these discs?? I'm just going to go ahead and use white rice and vermiculite. Will this be OKAY?? I give up.. I'm going to research the forum a lot more before I ask these dumb questions and confuse myself further.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#864223 - 09/04/02 06:27 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Foil is fine. I Iike to put some underneath the outer lid piece (the rim), but do it however you want. I've never tried white rice, but I wouldn't recommend that. If it worked well, people would be using it. Maybe you should go to Advanced Cultivation and search for a thread that tested a bunch of random substrates in the PF tek. That dude said some kind of dog food he tried was working well before he had to scrap the experiment. But the wisest thing to do would be to get some BRF or DRF. Just order it. What is the big deal about ordering flour?
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: MechanicalMan]
#864230 - 09/04/02 06:32 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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where would I order such a product from?? I'm going on a little road trip w/ my sidecar bubbler tomorrow and an 1/8 of MJ looking for some stores that stock that stuff.. mostly in health sections etc. I know I can get all that grain and rye from a brewery a block away but it seems like from what I read BRF and DRF are the best for growing.
Thanks for your help guys,
Sammy
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#864243 - 09/04/02 06:39 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can order everything Bob's Red Mill makes directly from the website, and there are also other sites that sell it. Just do a search, or order it from Bob's. I use Bob's Red Mill DRF for PF.
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Re: Newbie grower. Help needed [Re: Sammy]
#864397 - 09/04/02 08:05 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Please go and read the FAQ.
Als read the PF-tek and the PF tek for Simple Minds.
PF-tek and alike utilize 3 ingredients: vermiculite, flour of some kind(preferably BRF) and water.
Whole grains are a different thing ->faq...
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