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This is our ally
    #863037 - 09/04/02 08:16 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

This is part of the reason Schroeder will lose.


BERLIN (Sept. 1) - Germany has told the United States it will withhold evidence against Sept. 11 conspiracy defendant Zacarias Moussaoui unless it receives assurances that the material won't be used to secure a death penalty against him, Germany's justice minister said in remarks released Saturday.

Investigators suspect Moussaoui, who is awaiting trial in Virginia on charges of conspiracy to commit terrorism and murder federal employees, was training to become the pilot of one of the airliners hijacked for the attacks when he was arrested.

German prosecutors say he received money for flight school fees from a member of the terrorist group based in the northern city of Hamburg. But the government insists it can't bend laws forbidding the extradition of suspects to countries with the death penalty or supplying evidence that could incriminate someone facing execution.

In an interview with the Der Spiegel news weekly, Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin said Germany would provide documents on Moussaoui to the United States on condition that they ``may not be used for a death sentence or an execution.''

A letter explaining the long-standing German position had been sent to U.S. authorities in reply to a request for information about Moussaoui, she said.

``At the moment, the United States are examining our answer and will then get back to us,'' she said.

A spokesman for the U.S. Justice Department said he had no immediate comment.

Outlawing the death penalty is a requirement for membership of the 15-member European Union.

Daeubler-Gmelin insisted the exchange was not putting more pressure on relations between the Germany and the United States already strained by Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's criticism of U.S. threats to attack Iraq.

Cooperation between justice authorities in the two countries is ``good and trustful,'' Daeubler-Gmelin said. ``After Sept. 11, one shouldn't try to soften that.''

Moussaoui, 34, was arrested last summer at a flight school in Minnesota and became the first person to be charged directly in connection with the attacks. He is being held in custody in pending the opening of his trial in January.

U.S. law enforcement officials have said Moussaoui received two money transfers from Ramzi Binalshibh, who roomed with suicide pilot Mohamed Atta in Hamburg and wanted to take part in the hijackings, but was unable to secure a visa.

German prosecutors this week announced that they had charged another suspect, Mounir El Motassadeq, with belonging to a terror group and 3,000 counts of being an accessory to murder for his alleged support for the Hamburg terror cell.






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Re: This is our ally [Re: Ripple]
    #863856 - 09/04/02 05:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Good for Germany.


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Re: This is our ally [Re: Ripple]
    #863902 - 09/04/02 05:36 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

If Zacarias Moussaoui didn't want to recieve the death penalty he should have stayed in France or Germany and killed people there.


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Re: This is our ally [Re: Phluck]
    #864073 - 09/04/02 07:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

surprise, surprise...a terrorist sympathizer....i'm shocked :shocked:

not really....


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Re: This is our ally [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #866678 - 09/06/02 08:36 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

If anyone ever deserved to be taken off the face of the earth it's Zacarias Moussaoui. As far as terrorists go he's deffinately not real skilled at his trade and thats lucky for us. This guy has tried his hardest to kill people for a long time now and he should hang!


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Re: This is our ally [Re: Ripple]
    #869957 - 09/08/02 11:23 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with what you guys have said. Moussaoui should be held liable for the crimes he helped/planned to commit. I also agree that Germany has all rights to refuse to help in the trial if execution is what the US is aiming for. You cannot be against capitol punishment SOME of the time. Maybe this will open the eyes and opinions of Americans on capitol punishment.


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Re: This is our ally [Re: Innvertigo]
    #870170 - 09/08/02 01:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sympathizing with the terrorists. I'm saying they shouldn't kill him. Just put him in jail for life. That's worse, anyways.


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Re: This is our ally [Re: vatoloco]
    #871719 - 09/09/02 01:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hopefully people learn from their mistakes.


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Re: This is our ally [Re: vatoloco]
    #871818 - 09/09/02 08:43 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hundreds of thousands of dead jews...
6 million you mean...

Nazis don't run Germany anymore you know.
I think Schroeder rocks.


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Re: This is our ally [Re: MightyQuinn]
    #872240 - 09/09/02 12:12 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

****Nazis don't run Germany anymore you know****

3 strikes and you're out....your count is now 0 and 2


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Re: This is our ally [Re: vatoloco]
    #872409 - 09/09/02 01:32 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of dead jews

You said you had a third grade education. Were you exaggerating? Hundreds of thousands? You sound absolutely clueless.


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Re: This is our ally [Re: vatoloco]
    #872559 - 09/09/02 03:14 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Alex and Vato... neither of you are bringing up any points, you're just calling each other names.


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Re: This is our ally [Re: vatoloco]
    #872662 - 09/09/02 04:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

alex is just an angry little man.....


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