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Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious?
    #8629237 - 07/13/08 12:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Title tells all. Im curious. How do people avoid overlay when using coir? Why coir and not peat moss?


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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: Ledd]
    #8629614 - 07/13/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't use coir in a casing,you would effectively be adding more substrate rather than adding a casing layer,most things suggesting coir as a casing especially coir alone have been proven wrong and way outdated

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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: Blutjager]
    #8629808 - 07/13/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yea people used to think it was non-nutritive but turns out it wasn't. My guess for why it was used was it's ability to hold moisture.


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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8629834 - 07/13/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, coir is a food, not a moisture provider. The myc will just try to grow over, or overlay your casing if it has TOO much coir in it. A little bit I have used before, but it's such a small amount, it's actually going to hurt by being more succeptable to contams than just straight MGMC or even verm.

I'd use MGMC with a dash of verm. Pasturized, not sterilized.


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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: aspore]
    #8629849 - 07/13/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Using a nutritional casing raises chance for contamination...


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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: _Silence_]
    #8629958 - 07/13/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome thanks for the solid answer.

What is MGMC?


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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: Ledd]
    #8630069 - 07/13/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: Krez]
    #8630573 - 07/13/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

whats wrong with using coir, when i empty my jars into the monotub i put the pasteurized coir over it, then i let it colonize that for a few days have a little mycellium pop through here and there, then blast it with the light 12/12 seems too work excellent.

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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: milkman]
    #8630627 - 07/13/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i used coir as substrate before.  i also used it as a substrate side by side with another casing thatr was straw/poo. my results were pretty conclusive that the straw/poo worked out better for me.  simply because i dont pay for the straw or poo! haha.  but i think that i didnt doo the coir casing right.  i cased them both with peatmoss verm calci sand and pickling lime.  seemed to work okay but had contam problems after the first flush.  point is i would use coir as a casing layer because i did that before and before shroom popped up i had green.  so you make the choice.

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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: milkman]
    #8630690 - 07/13/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nothing is wrong with coir, but sometimes it can be used in the wrong way. Coir is nutritious, so unless it is very dilluted with something like verm, the coir will become fully colonized and just a new part of the substrate. If you're using it as a bulk substrate and adding spawn to it (cakes or grains) then coir's awesome because complete colonization into the substrate is exactly what you want!

When you make a top layer of coir with the intent to use it as a casing layer, you won't actually get a casing layer - you'll be spawning to bulk. When the mycellium turns the top white, you're looking at the top of your uncased bulk substrate. Uncased grows are not uncommon and often do well as long as they get enough humidity. Just don't expect it to handle some of the lower humidity that cased subs can tolerate.

I LOVE coir as a bulk substrate, hence my name. But when I put a casing layer on, I use a coir-free 50/50 mix.


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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8630698 - 07/13/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

trust me you will not be let down if you just go with 50/50 peat moss and vermiculite. Add some hydrated lime or calcium carbonate to adjust the ph and pasteurize. You will never need another casing for cubes....


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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: milkman]
    #8630702 - 07/13/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i guess thats what i do humidity is always good in a monotub ha and then the mush grows from all the white patches i think this is the perfect way to do it

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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: milkman]
    #8630846 - 07/13/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

You might have even better results if you did your exact same technique with the exact same components only you crumbled the cakes and mixed them evenly in the coir, restricted FAE until it turned entirely white, then introduced the same FAE and light you usually use. You can even sprinkle about .5-1" of hydrated, pasteurized Jiffy Mix over it too!


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Re: Why is coir used as casing if it is nutritious? [Re: Ledd]
    #8631177 - 07/13/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Awesome thanks for the solid answer.

What is MGMC?





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