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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: WornTraveler]
    #8629184 - 07/13/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I've met many soldiers through my travels. And I've met many as you mentioned - All they think about is how fucked the country is, etc.

Yeah.

But, even the majority of those who I met still told me to maintain a faith in Christ.


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: mathewww]
    #8629200 - 07/13/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I've met many soldiers through my travels. And I've met many as you mentioned - All they think about is how fucked the country is, etc.

Yeah.

But, even the majority of those who I met still told me to maintain a faith in Christ.




Lets do a little math. Christianity is the MAJORITY faith of this country. Therefore there will be more Christians in the military. Whites are the majority race in this country. Therefore, there will be more whites in politics.


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8629213 - 07/13/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe so when everyone in front of you is getting blown up, you will think "Maybe there is a heaven, I won't just lay here on the ground in a thoughtless state with my fucking head blown off after I die". Who knows?


Isn't it more logical to think that death would be easier to accept if you thought you were going to heaven?

On another note, do you think those Taliban fucks would be killing themselves so they could blow others up if they didn't believe they were going to be surrounded by hot babes in the after life?





Of course it would be more comforting to know that there will be something beyond this existence, something rewarding and pure. And that's what the military wants, is people who believe that so the pain of death is much less severe. But, no one REALLY knows.

I mean, I would love to have something after this life, and who knows... maybe there is, like I said "No one REALLY knows for certain". But it's not about that. It's about ones personal belief and some don't believe that a thick bearded man is going to be there to reward you after this life, some do. And there's no reason to pressure, pass judgement or threaten someone because they think with opposition to your own view about what's beyond this life.

That's just ignorance.


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: mathewww]
    #8629324 - 07/13/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

ha, ive got something like this hanging on the wall and framed in my shop about an eagle scout getting booted for being an atheist a few years back.  that one didnt go anywhere because the scouts are a private organization.  but this is just absurd. i hope this guy gets compensated one way or another.  they're were some statistics going around from a poll a few yrs back that asked parents who they would rather have there children date: a muslim  a homosexual a jew or an athesit and the last person they wanted there children to date was an atheist.  i personally think atheist's are descrimanated on a higher level than anyone else.  look how terrified we were of the russians.  anyways christians suck and why is it so hard to accept that when you die you rot and decompose just like evverything else?

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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: blood4blood]
    #8629348 - 07/13/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I think the reason atheists are discriminated against so much is because, unlike agnostics, who acknowledge that they simply cannot know if there is a God or is not, atheists usually refuse to accept a divine being at all. A Jew, a Homosexual, a Muslim- they all stand for, believe in something. Even if you don't agree with some of the things they believe in, you can appreciate the things in their beliefs that you agree with. For instance, I may think that two guys going at it is completely disgusting (I do), but I can still understand that their belief (or rather, their orientation) is based on love, the same emotion that everyone else experiences. Similarly, I may not believe in Allah, but I can appreciate a Muslim's belief that certain morals should be followed for the good on mankind, and I can accept that not all Muslims are psychos who want to blow themselves up or even believe that jihad is a good thing.

However, I cannot appreciate anything an atheist believes, because the only thing he believes in, is nothing. As an agnostic, I believe that there is as much a chance as not that a divine being is out there setting things up, maybe even looking after us, and I am comforted by the thought that, even if I get run over by a bus later today, *maybe* it's not really the end. But an atheist, from my understanding, simply refuses to believe at all. in my opinion, this is as narrow-minded as a Christian who insists that their faith is the only right one and everyone else is going to burn in a lake of fire forever, or a Muslim who thinks that people who do not worship Allah must be killed.


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8629402 - 07/13/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well jesus is a mushroom anyways so i dont care

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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8629414 - 07/13/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone else notice when asked if atheists are allowed to be excused from prayer, the pentagon rep shook his head side to side in the no manner, while saying "yes they are allowed". psychosomatic slip or what?

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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: Irdamage]
    #8629420 - 07/13/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

GOD IS DETRIMENTAL TO INTELLECTUALS


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: Coaster]
    #8630018 - 07/13/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

If we can't have a moment of silence in school why should there be prayer in the military. Um, separation of church and state anyone?


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: Lndrydusting]
    #8630028 - 07/13/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

thats just something teh ol constitution says
which is just nonsense rabble


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: Lndrydusting]
    #8630050 - 07/13/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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If we can't have a moment of silence in school why should there be prayer in the military. Um, separation of church and state anyone?




The military isn't school. When you sign up, they own you. You sign your life over to them via contract. Did you know it is against the United Code of Military Justice to get a tattoo while you are in the service?

Just trying to prove a point, school and the military are a little different.


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: Coaster]
    #8630053 - 07/13/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It shouldn't be.


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: Coaster]
    #8630057 - 07/13/08 04:54 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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thats just something teh ol constitution says
which is just nonsense rabble




The constitution is nonsense?


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8630060 - 07/13/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

ya according to those who run the country
they use it when they need to advance their positions
and ignore it when it conflicts with it


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8630062 - 07/13/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

He was using sarcasm.

Being facetious.


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: Coaster]
    #8630071 - 07/13/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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ya according to those who run the country
they use it when they need to advance their positions
and ignore it when it conflicts with it




That is a good point...


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8630081 - 07/13/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I have some more info from the UCMJ. I remember all this shit because it is crazy.

While anyone is enlisted or commissioned in the military, it is illegal under the UCMJ for them to give or recieve anal, oral, or any other kind of sex which isn't considered old fashioned. I am not bullshitting either.

I guess that's why gays can enlist. No anal.... LOL

Edit, I think it stands for Uniform Code of Military Justice.


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8630102 - 07/13/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yup its only the missionary position for our soliders! If only their country knew. . . .lol


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: WornTraveler]
    #8630155 - 07/13/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I seriously doubt that someone would not get promoted in the military because of his religion. There are a million reasons for people to *not* be put in a position where others' lives are in their hands.

And if the guy is just downright not a leader, well, not much you can do. Some people can inspire others to lay down on the train tracks, other people couldn't convince you to try a new restaurant out much less run through an open area with people shooting at ya.




So why the hell did the army get him a body guard? Why did the army discipline two officers for promoting a christian program during the 4th of July? Why are there over 8000 complaints from soldiers?


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Re: athiest soilder sues military. . . [Re: Lndrydusting]
    #8630164 - 07/13/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Yup its only the missionary position for our soliders! If only their country knew. . . .lol




I served for 5 years. I don't know a single person who took the law seriously. It's not like the spy on people when they are getting it down or anything. Hell, I had sex in all kinds of different positions down in the engineroom where I worked. It made it all the more exciting. I was lucky though, I knew a lot of people who got caught. One of my friends had his girlfriend down in the bottom of the escape trunk. Our chief walked up on them and they didn't even notice. He walked all the way back to the door and slammed it, took his time so they could get dressed, and then took them to see the MP's.


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