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Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED
    #862811 - 09/04/02 05:18 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Well, well, the US has a freedom fighter opponent  :tongue:. The land where democracy was invented is now the land where ALL videogames are prohibited. Acording to what i've read a TV program in Greece on the air for about a year, showing  the "danger" of videogaming, has turned the public and the state oppinion to a total prohibition of using such and any electronic games, in public and in private, this means cybercafes closing, arcade houses closing, software teams and companies shutting down and so on.
When i was a kid, about 9 years old, i turned my life to computers because of games and so most of other kids did, i'm a programmer because games made me want to know everything about computers. If they don't permit playing games, Greece, in the future will not have anyone interested in technology (or computers at least), well, they will but only if they make kids like math and logic wich i doubt.
Who ever said public opinion isn't strong ? Well it is, it's strong when it wants to impose but weak when trying to learn. Now, what is strong is TV, look what that shit can do to peoples mind.
Here's a translation of the Greek law, enjoy all this bullshit:

Quote:

LAW NUMBER 3037 - 30 July 2002

GAMING PROHIBITION

The President of Greek Republic
We issue the following law which was voted by the Greek Parliament

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Article 1
Game categories
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According to notion of the commands of the current law:
a. Mechanical games are those, that depend on one's muscle force.
b. Electrical games are those, that depend on electrical mechanisms.
c. Electromechanical games are those that depend on electrical mechanisms and the use of one's muscle force.
d. Electronic games are those, that depend on both electrical-electronic mechanisms and software.
e. Entertainment technical games are those, whose result depends exclusively on the ability and skill of the
    player, and are used solely for entertainment.

The category (e) also includes all card games which had been characterised as
"technical" games, according to the statement of law F.E.K A21.


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Article 2
Game prohibition
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1. Operation and installation of any game of type (b), (c) and (d) of Article 1, including computer games,
placed in public places such as hotels, cafeterias, organization halls and in any other public or private
place, is prohibited.
2. Operation of games of type (e) is allowed in devices of type (a). Regarding these games, it is prohibited to place bets.
Such bets will attract penalties described in Articles 4 and 5. 


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Article 3
Internet cafes
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The prohibition of using computers described in Article 2 does not affect internet cafes, as long as the computers
are not used for any gaming activities.

To be able to run an Internet cafe, a special permit is required from the municipal or the state where the
company is based) and from its starting point (port) if it is a boat based company. According to the first
application of this measure, the company should be equipped with this permit in three months
from the issue date of this law.

 
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Article 4
Criminal sanctions
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1. Any persons who manage or depend on centres or other places as described in paragraph 1 of Article 2
where games prohibited by the previous Articles are in use or even exist, will be penalised with at least
three months of jail plus a fine of at least 5,000 Euros. If this offense is repeated, the penalty will be at least
one year of jail plus a fine between 25,000 and 75,000 Euros. The court will also command  the confiscation
of all those games.
2. The orders for the games of  type "c", in paragraph 1, paragraph 3 and 4 of Article 7 of the coded command
29/1971 are followed accordingly.


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Article 5
Administrative sanctions 
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1. Apart from the criminal sanctions, if it is found that a prohibited game, according to the commands of the previous
articles, there will be a fine of 10,000 Euros for every such game and permanent taking away of the business
license, according to the orders of Article 7.
2. The fine will be based on the decision of the corresponding authority, in paragraph 1 of Article 6, who had
found the violation.  In this decision the violation will be described, the fine will be underlined, as well as the
order in use. Together with this decision, a copy of the violation report will be notified towards the violator.


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Article 6
Report of confirmation of violations
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1. The police authorities are responsible to enforce this law. The port authorities are responsible for boats
traveling domestically, and for any other boats staying at the corresponding port.
2. If the authorities for the "body for fighting financial crime" find violations of the law for the games, they
will impose the sanctions and will proceed to actions described in the previous article.


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Article 7
Authorization
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1. The terms, conditions, procedures and permits for Internet companies are determined by the common decision
of the Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Ministry of Public Administration, Ministry of Public Order
and Ministry of Trading.
  2. A similar decision establishes the authority which enforces the taking away of business licenses, the
  procedure of taking it away as well as any other necessary details for applying the orders of this law. 
 
 
  --------------
  Article 8
  Tax returns
  --------------
  Whoever has already paid " tax for running businesses with entertainment technical games" for 2002 for
  electronical, electrical or electromechanical games, will have their tax returned corresponding to the time
  of the publication of the law in the Government's Paper until the end of the year. No returns will be made
  in the case of violation of the law for games and there is no awaiting court case in front of the Committee
  in paragraph 4 of article 15 of law 2753/1999 (FEK 249 A').
 
 
  ---------------------------------------
  Article 9
  Maintained and transitive orders
  ---------------------------------------
  1. With the orders of this law, there are no complications with the orders of the law 2206/1994 (FEK 62 A')
  as well as the rest of the orders regarding casinos.
  2. From the start of the enforcement of this law, the three-member game committees which are established by
  the orders in paragraph 4 of article 15 of law 2753/1999, cease to exist. They will still exist though, until the
  finish of check up of the game machines that had been binded by the auditor authorities and for which there
  had been a reserve.
 
 
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Articles 10, 11, and 12 describe the changes in the laws only for card games and are not relative with the
game machine orders.
--------------------------




ATHENS 29th of July 2002


********************************************************************************************************************************
END OF LAW 3037 ********************************************************************************************************
********************************************************************************************************************************


No responsibility is taken for any syntax, grammatical or translation mistakes.



Grand Master Peter






This reminds me of another war without purpose, the war on drugs, they don't want to destroy only our freedom, they want to destroy our nature, man allways have and will consume drugs....  and play videogames  :wink: .
Oh! Here's a Greek site where i think allmost everybody is given support to end this nonsense,  here.
The absurd of the majority taking place my friends.

MAIA


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: MAIA]
    #862957 - 09/04/02 07:25 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Good lord, that's despicable.
If anyone here is from Greece, GET OUT AND PROTEST.

Even if you don't play any video games. This is not the kind of thing you want any government doing.


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Phluck]
    #864103 - 09/04/02 07:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

ha ha ha ha....video game protest..ha :grin:


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Innvertigo]
    #864283 - 09/04/02 09:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Makes sense to me... just because they're video games doesn't mean this isn't a MAJOR infringement on freedom.

Think about this... this means pinball is illegal. Also any arcade games. This is seriously fucked up.


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Phluck]
    #864537 - 09/05/02 12:09 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Even the games that come with mobile phones were baned, also chess.

MAIA


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Phluck]
    #866526 - 09/06/02 06:52 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I just think it's funny how you libbies hate us so much and turn a blind eye towards the rest of the world until something like this happens...my sides hurt from the laughter.


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Innvertigo]
    #866533 - 09/06/02 06:57 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's funny how you never have anything to contribute besides sarcasm...


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Rono]
    #866536 - 09/06/02 06:59 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I demonstrat obsurdety with the obsurd....you are too predictable


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Innvertigo]
    #866539 - 09/06/02 07:01 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, poor old predictable me...


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Rono]
    #866543 - 09/06/02 07:04 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

you being poor has nothing to do with it..you libbies being predictable has everything to do with it.  Do i sense sarcasm now? :smirk:


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Innvertigo]
    #866778 - 09/06/02 09:25 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Can't we just talk about the subject please ?

MAIA


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Edited by MAIA (09/06/02 09:28 AM)


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: MAIA]
    #866785 - 09/06/02 09:30 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I was...I find it interesting that this is such a big surprise to you all...


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Rono]
    #867161 - 09/06/02 12:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

3 cheers for the socialist nanny state. Gotta protect those proles from their own worst tendencies. $10 says that Tipper Gore moves to Greece.

I think I'll go fire up the playstation while I enjoy the sweet air of freedom.


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    #868651 - 09/07/02 11:02 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

:grin:

sweeeeeeet....


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: Phluck]
    #869081 - 09/07/02 04:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I think Mr_Mushrooms is Greek.


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Re: Greece - freedom = shit - Videogames NOT ALLOWED [Re: MAIA]
    #870779 - 09/09/02 12:44 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I heard about this and thought it was a joke. Greece is now fitting its own name. Completely retarded and ass backwards.
Is this there attempt to become a super power when they all become so bored they focus on making weapons or some other shit? I still can't believe they would purposely assfuck every family tree in existence there, not one person in Greece won't have a family member in jail if the law is upheld.


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