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Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY]
    #8597277 - 07/05/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

5 arrested in Rainbow Family clash with feds
July 4, 2008 - Casper Star-Tribune

U.S. Forest Service officers pointed weapons at children and fired rubber bullets and pepper spray balls at Rainbow Family members while making arrests Thursday evening, according to witnesses.

"They were so violent, like dogs," Robert Parker told reporter Deborah Stevens of the libertarian-oriented, Round Rock, Texas-based We the People Radio Network [www.wtprn.com] after the incident.

"People yelled at them, 'You're shooting children,'" Parker said during an interview on the network's "Rule of Law Show."

About 7,000 people have arrived at the gathering near Big Sandy in the Wind River Mountains for the annual Gathering of the Tribes, a seven-day event of fellowship, partying including illicit drug use, praying, and living on the land.

They camp on Forest Service land around the country every year, but the Rainbow family's nonhierarchical methods -- no one can speak for the Rainbows, much less sign a land use permit -- often have stymied their relationships.

But rarely do the tensions escalate into violence.

The Forest Service's Incident Command Team in Rock Springs issued a press release Friday morning, saying officers were patrolling the main meadow of the gathering Thursday evening when they contacted a man who fled and was later caught. Another Rainbow was detained for physically interfering.

Officers began to leave the area with the subjects and were circled by Rainbow participants, according to the news release from Rita Vollmer of the Incident Command Team.

Ten officers were escorting the detained subjects when about 400 Rainbows surrounded the squad, and more officers were requested, according to the news release.

"The mob began to advance, throwing sticks and rocks at the officers. Crowd control tactics were used to keep moving through the group of Rainbows," the news release said.

Other law enforcement agencies were called to the scene, the news release said.

Officers made five arrests; one officer suffered minor injuries and was cleared by a local hospital; and a government vehicle sustained damage, the news release said.

"This lawless behavior is unacceptable and we will not tolerate it," said John Twiss, Forest Service director of law enforcement. "The safety of our employees, public and Rainbow participants is our number one priority, and we will continue to protect everyone on the national forest."

Vollmer of the Forest Service Incident Management Team did not return calls requesting comment Friday.

Rainbow Family members' accounts told a different story.

One member who identified himself only as "Ryan" told Stevens he was with his two children in his tent at the Rainbows' Kid Village north of the main meadow where the major prayer circles and dinners are held.

One of the 10 officers pointed a pepper spray gun at him and his children, he said. His girlfriend was using the latrine outside when four officers came to her and asked if she was smoking marijuana.

The officers then ran through the Kid Village and through its kitchen, and chaos erupted, he said.

Other witnesses recounted seeing about 10 officers of the Forest Service's incident command team drag an older man from the woods near the Kid Village, according to interviews by Stevens.

A woman in the village told the officers to take their guns out of the Kid Village. An officer threw that woman to the ground and pulled her head back by her hair while she was being handcuffed, one Rainbow named Rick told Stevens.

"I got out and yelled, 'what the f--- are you doing?'" Rick said. "That got it started."

The officers backed up in a defensive position, and some used their Tasers on Rainbows, he said.

Rainbows called for their crisis management team, and Rainbow family elders urged the crowd to remain calm, he said. However, the crowd kept moving, and the Forest Service officers began randomly spraying the crowd with pepper spray bullets.

The officers, with their two suspects in custody, found an exit trail from the main meadow, and the peacekeepers urged the crowd to let them go, he said.

"These people deliberately, for hours, were aggressively working the camp over and working the people over," Ryan said. "They chose the kiddie village -- the one place, the kids, to take their stand and create a riot, and I bought into it. ... They were looking for an excuse to do some damage to us."

Ryan's partner, Feather, told Stevens she was pepper-sprayed, and saw another Rainbow with welts all over his body.

Feather also recounted seeing a couple with a young child and an infant who had just emerged from the woods and didn't know what was happening.

The couple asked the officers what was going on, and the officers pointed their guns at the children. The officers walked away, but one turned around and pointed his rifle at the baby, she told Stevens.

Robert Kinn of Afton told the Casper Star-Tribune in an interview Friday that he and his family had been camping and drove to Big Sandy because they'd never been to a gathering.

Forest Service officers gave Kinn a citation and a $175 ticket for allowing someone to ride on his vehicle's trailer, and said the officers weren't polite. "I was scared, was harassed."

Kinn and his family went to the main circle for dinner, when they heard people yelling about needing help to put out a fire in the Kid Village.

About 10 minutes later, people came back to tell the main circle the fire was over, and the crowd resumed eating, he said.

One of the senior Rainbows gathered the crowd and explained the clash with the Forest Service, and another man showed where rubber bullets hit him in the stomach, Kinn said.

Kinn and his family drove home that night, he said.

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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: veggie]
    #8597353 - 07/05/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

We'll that sucks.  A few people go against what the rainbow family represents and it'll be all over the news.  Actually, i would be surprised to see this on the major outlets.


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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #8597396 - 07/05/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The police can't be believed. They'll say whatever if it means protecting their asses. Thats why I celebrate every time I hear a cop dies. I don't care what you other people think or say about that. Maybe if they wouldn't act like assholes, enforce shitty laws, or thought for themselves for a change.


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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #8597428 - 07/05/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

>Actually, i would be surprised to see this on the major outlets.<

This is the original story. The Associated Press (AP) has picked it up and it is (or will be) on the 'major outlets'. It is a matter of perspective, of course, but I think it puts the Feds in bad light as opposed to the Family.

The Feds went in and violently harrassed people devoted to peace and love, and instigated a near riot.

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    #8597455 - 07/05/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: veggie]
    #8597536 - 07/05/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Rainbow Family Gathering 2007

Do these folks look like violent criminals worthy of an attack by the Feds?

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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: kman980]
    #8597685 - 07/05/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The police can't be believed. They'll say whatever if it means protecting their asses. Thats why I celebrate every time I hear a cop dies. I don't care what you other people think or say about that. Maybe if they wouldn't act like assholes, enforce shitty laws, or thought for themselves for a change.




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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: veggie]
    #8598333 - 07/05/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Nah, looks like a bunch of backwards, leeching, good-for-nothings.  Not worthy of violence or anything else for that matter.  :shrug:


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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: scout24]
    #8598397 - 07/05/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Nah, looks like a bunch of backwards, leeching, good-for-nothings.  Not worthy of violence or anything else for that matter.  :shrug:




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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: veggie]
    #8599009 - 07/05/08 10:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I just talked to my friend because I was worried about him. He seemed to feel like the cops were provoked.


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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: kman980]
    #8599360 - 07/06/08 12:47 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The police can't be believed. They'll say whatever if it means protecting their asses. Thats why I celebrate every time I hear a cop dies. I don't care what you other people think or say about that. Maybe if they wouldn't act like assholes, enforce shitty laws, or thought for themselves for a change.




That is one of the most ignorant things to say. Don't ever call them if you have an emergency because they are such pieces of shit. You know, every single one out there is out to destroy everything we hold close to us. In case you haven't noticed its their JOB to enforce laws. They are REQUIRED to arrest people for felonies. If they do not they can get in a lot more trouble themselves. Also in case you haven't noticed its completely up to an officer whether or not to charge you with misdemeanor. I can't tell you how many times I've seen friends get their weed thrown away, no charge or reckless driving, and other dumbass things that could have got them records but instead the cops didn't charge them. Believe it or not I am thankful they are there solving murders, solving robberies and rapes, stopping pieces of shit from beating their wives, and arresting people for DUI's and other crimes that cause harm to innocent people. Yes there might not be the whole truth to this story, but clearly someone was doing something, probably drug or alcohol abuse that fueled the entire thing which caused the officers to feel threatened. I highly doubt officers were pointing their guns at children, but I don't doubt they accidentally shot kids with rubber bullets. Maybe you should pick and weed through articles and realize what's true and what's not true. I know if it was something that had to do with drugs you would, but when it comes to something like this, there couldn't possibly be anyways those people were not doing anything wrong. Ignorance.

Also pictures of twenty people does not represent 7000.

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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: wireless]
    #8599567 - 07/06/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Regardless, the most messed up out of all, is that the police went there to start confrontation. To look for any reason to arrest/ticket anyone they could. That's B.S. How would you like it if the cops showed up to your annual camping trip with your friends and watched your every move until you did something they deemed illegal and gave you a ticket or harassed you? Now what if they were there every year doing the same thing? Those cops are fucking assholes and should have just left those people alone. I am sure there were wrong-doings on both sides.. but the fact that the cops were there hawking the people in the first place.. is disturbing.

BTW Cops will band together and lie for each other just like any other group of friends. Don't get your panties in a bundle wireless. You must have family in the police department.

I personally despise any and ALL police because they try to impose their will and morals on others, and single out people of their choosing to go after. May they all burn in hell with dog cocks shoved up their asses. amen.

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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: underdwg]
    #8599783 - 07/06/08 03:52 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck I was thinking about going to this cause I live pretty close, but after reading this I'm glad that I didn't, wouldn't want to be tripping or something and have cops come and harass me.
Not all cops are assholes.....but most are, obviously they were there to look for people doing "dangerous drugs"....yeah good job retards instead of working on solving real crimes you go to harass a peaceful society that's not harming anyone.  Fuck if I ever help out or cooperate with a cop in my entire life.

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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #8599835 - 07/06/08 04:49 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yep. All police are assholes. Even the ones who let you off...because they bother you in the first place. I make it my first and forthmost right to flip them the bird every time I drive by one of them, because I know, legally, they can't do a damn thing about my freedom of expression of telling them to go fuck themselves.

One police officer threw his flashlight in my window and broke the frame and the window of my car, costing me about $350. I actually had done nothing wrong that day, but I was getting in my car and I didn't feel like talking to a fucking pig, so I drove away from him when it looked like he was approaching me to talk. So I guess my avoidance of him justified him breaking one of my car windows and leaving me with the bill. Can you believe that? That means he assumed I was GUILTY of WHATEVER, right off the bat. I thought the U.S.A. was about being innocent until proven guilty, not assuming guilty until proving ones self innocent?

Fucking asshole. And a bunch of fucking bullshit. Police can suck my left nut and lick my right, or vice versa.

And no, I'm never calling one for help if I ever need it. They'll just find a way to make a SNAFU.


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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #8600476 - 07/06/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The only police worth respecting are those that are members of LEAP. The rest, while they may do nice things occassionaly, are still assholes because they still enforce shitty laws the majority of the time. If someone defends or justifies their actions means they have friends or relatives who work as officers or are pigs themselves.

Oh, and tyler durden, are you the t.d. of real social dynamics? just curious


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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: kman980]
    #8614832 - 07/09/08 08:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I gave up on the police being able to help me a long time ago.  Now i know that they're just here to make the country money by writing tickets and incarcerating nonviolent offenders.  My little sister was raped by one of my best friends that had known her since she was 6.  The police told us to get a "rape kit" done immediately because the evidence inside her body was time sensitive.  We sped our way to downtown St. Louis because we live about an hour outside of town and were pulled over on our way.  When we told the police officer why we were speeding, he got cocky as fuck as told us we didn't need to be driving that fast.  He wrote me a ticket and didn't even give me an escort.  My sister who was raped cried the whole time in the back seat while the cop harassed me and told me if he caught me speeding on my way to the hospital again that he was going to take me to jail.  My sister's rapist never got charged either because cops don't know how to do their jobs, they just know how to send fresh meat into the drug court machine.

Fuck the fucking police.  They're all ignorant pigs.  I don't care if you have a relative that's a police officer; they're a piece of shit too.  My hatred runs deep.


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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: archetype]
    #8615060 - 07/09/08 09:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yep.. especially in Florida, all the pigs do is go out of their way to get you caught up in the system so it can make $$$ off you.

Once you get arrested it's a never-ending cycle of either money coming out of your ass or you going to jail, oftentimes both.


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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: Adamist]
    #8615471 - 07/09/08 10:57 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

ACLU PLANS TO INVESTIGATE RAINBOW FAMILY TREATMENT
By BEN NEARY
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The American Civil Liberties Union said Saturday that it plans to investigate the actions of federal law enforcers who arrested five Rainbow Family members in western Wyoming during their annual gathering.

The U.S. Forest Service says a mob of about 400 members of the Rainbow Family, a group of hippie types and eccentrics who camp on public land every year, threw rocks and sticks at Forest Service officers who tried to arrest a member of the group.

Up to 60 federal and local law enforcers responded, Forest Service officials say, and fired "pepper balls" - similar to paint balls but containing a pepper solution - at the crowd to control it.

As many as 7,000 members of the Rainbow Family camped out this year on Forest Service land near the Big Sandy Reservoir. The group holds a weeklong gathering on public land in a different area each year.

The Rainbows and federal officers have clashed before, and in 1998, the Forest Service established a national response team to deal with the group.

The ACLU plans to accept collect calls from Rainbow Family members for the next two weeks to hear their version of events, Linda Burt, executive director of Wyoming's ACLU, said Saturday.

Burt said she has been concerned to hear reports that Rainbow Family members have been ticketed for small traffic infractions. She also said she has heard reports that officers have walked among the Rainbow camps asking people whether they're using drugs.

"I have some real concerns about how this is handled," Burt said. "Particularly the pretext arrests - the idea that people are just cruising around looking for people to arrest when there have been no complaints and no reason for them to be there.

Burt said the ACLU's response to the matter will depend on what it learns from Rainbow Family members. It's possible the ACLU will issue a report, she said, and it may also consider posting observers at future Rainbow Family gatherings.

Rita Vollmer, spokeswoman for the Forest Service, declined Saturday to name the five people arrested Thursday or say why the agency was trying to arrest the first person.


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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: Adamist]
    #8616235 - 07/10/08 05:50 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Okay I just wanted to post this because I got a phone call yesterday from someone who was on the land and I got to hear a side of the story not yet reported by the media.

Basically some of the law enforcement officers on site decided to arrest some people they had seen smoking pot. They went looking for them in a large group of armed officers. This phalanx of officers (you can see above it says 60 officers) went into an area designated as "Kiddie Village" and just like the name says, it is where the families with smaller children are camped.

Now somehow on the hunt for these marijuana smokers this troop of officers ends up in between the line where the kids are getting their lunch and where the parents are. So yes, they did start throwing sticks, but it had to do with aggressive armed groups of officers on the hunt, unannounced ( so no one necessarily knew why they were being separated) upsetting everyone.

I didn't get too many details, and there are always as many sides to the story as people seeing it, but since I got word, I figured I'd share.
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Re: Rainbow Family clash with Feds [WY] [Re: dwpineal]
    #8616867 - 07/10/08 10:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It's only hearsay, that the police were after "real" smokers. Think of all the entrapment methods we've seen on Youtube:

- presuming guilt, due to a "suspicious profile"
- profiling ordinary people, in case they might become suspicious, later
- falsely claiming that a "suspect" fits a profile, as per anonymous tips, face reading, stress dogs, etc.

To examine one of the first claims made againt this party, can anyone name one, single, incontrovertable, falsifiable, unimpeachable piece of evidence, which proves that certain human bodies occupied a general area in the woods for over a year?

If propagandist gov't allegations do contain a kernel of truth, I have to wonder whether the stoners took off for the family area when spotted, like passive resistors playing the pity card?

Also, I would consider it somewhat pitiful, if women, attending what amounts to a sit-in, only threw sticks at armed agents.

Again, I wasn't there. I can't say for sure whether this happened. But, I don't set up tar babies in badges for contrived travesties, and I cover my genitalia in public, especially when women and children are around.

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