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Scotts 3n1 in a Pot
    #861466 - 09/03/02 12:53 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

A couple of weeks ago, an unused flower pot was filled 3/4 of the way full with straight Scotts 3n1.  A layer of four crumbled PF cakes was then added and the pot was topped off with another layer of straight Scotts 3n1.  Other than placing the pot in a shady location (no direct sun) and watering every few days, nothing else was necessary.

The strain is PR.  It appears that the pot has been watered recently.. :grin:



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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #861505 - 09/03/02 01:09 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

Was that straight out of the bag, or did you prepare it in some fashion? ie: Baking or pasturizing. :confused: 


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: TM]
    #861510 - 09/03/02 01:11 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

Straight out of the bag. The ultimate in easy cultivation if your climate can support it.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #861550 - 09/03/02 01:21 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

Okay, that does it! I'm cracking my bag of Scott's 3 in 1 tonight! I have several colonized 1 pint cakes to grate and lots of aluminium pans. It'll be neat to compare it to the perfomance of horse poo. 

Just one small problem... I have no incubator space left! My oven (with a heating pad) is full of poo trays already (not quite ready for transfer to fruiting tubs yet).

Maybe I'll have to wait a few more days. :frown:

I wish the weather here was still in the 80's, but it's cooled off considerably. :frown: 


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: TM]
    #861587 - 09/03/02 01:32 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

Here?s a casing of Scotts 3n1 innoculated with 1/2 pt. of BRF cake. The substrate is straight Scotts 3n1 with no added vermiculite, no casing, and it was used straight out of the bag. The strain is PR once again -- had quite a few spare PF jars of PR on hand and decided to play a bit.

PR (Scotts 3n1):



For comparison, T3 (straight birdseed cased with 50/50+):



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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: TM]
    #861602 - 09/03/02 01:37 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

mine did much better pasturized than not,
i think it?s well worth the extra time invested.
still, it?s good stuff.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Hippie3]
    #861614 - 09/03/02 01:42 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

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i think it's well worth the extra time invested.



I'm curious to know if you're suffering from an inordinate amount of contamination; otherwise, I see no benefit in pasteurizing. Personally, I have never seen a need to pasteurize Scotts 3n1. Please expound.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Anonymous]
    #861651 - 09/03/02 02:01 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

In reply to:

how deep the top layer of Scott's 3-in-1 is



Total substrate depth is roughly 3cm or so.

In reply to:

He used a top layer of coco-substrate that was 3-4 inches thick on his tray culture tests and also 4 crumbled brf cakes as a bottom spawn layer similar to what you have done here. I wondered why he didn't just mix the spawn into the substrate as you normally would and he said that he wanted to see if the more aggressive "strains" would be the ones to colonize the substrate and reach the top surface first and begin fruiting over the weaker strains that existed within the same "spawn".



In this case, the BRF cake (crumbled) was evenly mixed with the substrate. I'm not sure how his theory worked out either, but I prefer integration of the spawn with the substrate to speed up colonization.

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BTW, looking good!



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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #861817 - 09/03/02 03:21 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

So this shows this 3in1 crap sucks compared to the plain ol' casing grains? Geez...


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: pleezr]
    #861828 - 09/03/02 03:26 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

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So this shows this 3in1 crap sucks compared to the plain ol' casing grains? Geez...



The original idea was to show how easy it was to have a flower pot fruiting outside with 3n1. I posted the other pics just to show Tripmeister what could be expected using 3n1 straight out of the bag with no added vermiculite and innoculated with a single 1/2 pt. cake.

Also, you can't compare the two casings. Not only are they different strains (from multispore innoculations), the 3n1 wasn't cased and the birdseed was for instance.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #861847 - 09/03/02 03:35 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

damn.. well the temps in my house are a bit lower than mid 80's, but I did pick up 3 40lb bags of the Scotts 3in1.  :smile:
  Looking good so far.  Do you think that adding some pasteurized straw to the Scotts would speed things along or just keep it about the same?
      As a sidenote...  it doesn't have to be upper 70's or mid 80's to grow these puppies.  You can grow them fine even at lower temps. It's just going to take longer, but hey with such a small amount of work put into it .. why not try it? 
   


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Alkaloids]
    #861852 - 09/03/02 03:42 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

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Do you think that adding some pasteurized straw to the Scotts would speed things along or just keep it about the same?



I'm not sure. I skipped the straw because I didn't feel like expending the extra effort on what I was hoping would be a relatively quick and easy experiment. You may get better results with a different substrate. Try it and report back to us.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #861914 - 09/03/02 04:16 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

i just wanted to confirm something. so 3in1 can be used as a casing layer? is there anything i should do like wet it to a certain degree or just leave it dry. and how deep would you recommend it to be if by substrate is aboout 3 inches.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: PSILOCYBE_RICKY]
    #861956 - 09/03/02 04:35 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

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so 3in1 can be used as a casing layer



I assume that it would be possible, but I think you would get better results with 50/50+ or something along those lines.

In reply to:

is there anything i should do like wet it to a certain degree or just leave it dry



I didn't have to add any moisture. I used it straight from the bag.

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how deep would you recommend it to be if by substrate is aboout 3 inches



I recommend using something else as a casing layer. The above will be cased with 50/50+ after the first flush.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #861991 - 09/03/02 04:54 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

kewl, the other day i saw something called aqua coir. it has cococ coir and peat moss, i think i'll use that. thanks. maybe i'll throw in some verm. maybe


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #862828 - 09/04/02 05:36 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)

no, actually i?m getting very few contams.
but i know of at least 2 cases where unpasturized 3-n-1 became infected with bacteria and didn?t make it,
whereas 9 batches that were pasturized fruited nicely.
so if you can live with the failure rate, fine.
personally i think pasturization is beneficial if not required.
here?s a small one of mine on 2nd flush-


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Alkaloids]
    #862831 - 09/04/02 05:39 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)

i found that the plain 3-n-1 colonized faster than those mixed with straw, nevertheless i prefer to add the straw because it binds the compost together better, allowing the casing to be removed from it's tray to be dunked whereas those w/o straw fell apart when i tried the same.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Hippie3]
    #862844 - 09/04/02 05:55 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)


>allowing the casing to be removed from it's tray to be dunked

Couldn't you just leave it in the casing tub and just add water untill its fully submurged and cover for 12 hours or so and then dump the water out and recase instead of removing it? ((this is assuming you are using a big casing tub that is like 1/2 full of colonized substrate))

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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: happygrins]
    #862868 - 09/04/02 06:16 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)

i tried that too before, but found that the casing keeps draining for awhile, letting water accumulate under it in the tray and allowing contams to get a foothold. lost only 1 tray but learned the lesson, now i let it sit out and drain a few days before returning it to its? tray.
here?s a pic of a recent attempt at dunking,
this is 2nd flush.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Hippie3]
    #862885 - 09/04/02 06:29 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)


First off, Very Nice, Hippie!...

In response to: >now i let it sit out and drain a few days before returning it to its' tray.

So you basically Pop the colonized substrate out into a big ass pot of sterile water and dunk..  Then remove it.. Im assuming its not just sitting on a counter top, right?.. Do you wrap it in paper towels or somthing to absorb all the excess water?..    Could you wrap it in paper towels first until its dry and then put it in a garbage bag sprayed with lysol and pop it in the frig?  Then return it to its origonal casing tub?..  ((Just courious because a friend is about to try this))

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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Hippie3]
    #863015 - 09/04/02 08:04 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)

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so if you can live with the failure rate, fine.



Failure rate? So far, no failures here, but I'll keep that in mind. Remember that Scotts 3n1 is a composted product and for the most part is pasteurized out of the bag. There always is a chance, though, that a bag could be compromised at the store or during use if one is not careful.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #863215 - 09/04/02 10:11 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)

They seem to grow very fast outdoors in this climate (very hot and very humid.) The following image is a 24 hour update of the original post.

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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #863391 - 09/04/02 12:17 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

How large is that pot? (inside, not counting the rim)


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #863405 - 09/04/02 12:26 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

Roughly 25cm in diameter.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #863414 - 09/04/02 12:36 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

Just a few more questions.. I may have missed this info as I only briefly scanned the thread, but I was wondering- how deep is the pot? Also, how long did it take (how many days) after putting the cakes in the pot to start pinning?

Looks great and super easy, good job! Let us know what the final yeild is.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #863823 - 09/04/02 04:45 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

In reply to:

how deep is the pot?



Pretty much the same as the inside diameter -- roughly 25cm.

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Also, how long did it take (how many days) after putting the cakes in the pot to start pinning?



It started pinning while I was out of town. If I were to guess, I would say about two weeks.

Since I?m posting to this thread, I might as well provide a 24 hour update of the casings shown above:



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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #864129 - 09/04/02 07:29 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

everythings looking good!!!  what type of fruiting chamber are those 2 casings in?  Thanks :wink: 


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Darkmoon]
    #864138 - 09/04/02 07:37 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

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what type of fruiting chamber are those 2 casings in?



Currently, a 30 gallon fish aquarium which has been turned on its side. The bottom layer of perlite is bone dry (didn't feel like cleaning it out), and the lucite "front door" is left cracked to help keep the RH where I want it.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: happygrins]
    #864613 - 09/05/02 03:14 AM (19 years, 23 days ago)

i just sit the dunked casing/cake on some paper towels or newspaper in the humidity chamber until it's ready to return to it's tray in a day or two, when it stops draining.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Hippie3]
    #864636 - 09/05/02 04:08 AM (19 years, 23 days ago)


Thanks Alot, Hippie..    BTW, ever try rehydrating it using sterilized poo/straw water sucked up in a syringe (Or even plain wate) and shot into the cake between flushes?..    Results?

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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: happygrins]
    #864759 - 09/05/02 06:09 AM (19 years, 23 days ago)

Great question. I'd like to know, too. My friends fruiting chamber IS her casing container. She can maintain humidity within the container just fine, but the casing layer itself consistently dries out. She mists heavily between flushes, but once pins appear, she directs the mist to the sides and lid of casing/fruiting chamber. If she uses a syringe to inject water, should the water be directed into the casing layer, or the body of the cake?
OR, maybe the dunk method could work with her straw cakes. She would have to dunk in the fruiting chamber itself, then pull the cake out, lay paper towels under and then later pull the cake back out to remove the paper towels. All that handling would make her worry about contams.
Would this work? Clean cake well, add enough water to cover the cake, let soak, invert and drain excess water, remove cake, place dry (or maybe somewhat dry) 50/50+ casing to the bottom of the chamber, replace cake, apply new casing layer and mist. The casing layer would (hopefully?) eliminate the need to remove the cake a second time....less work and maybe less exposure to possible contams? Also, since it takes a day or two to drain sufficiently, she wouldn't have to worry about damaging new pins that might appear during the draining. Does anyone see any flaws her her plan?


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: babyshroom]
    #864812 - 09/05/02 07:07 AM (19 years, 23 days ago)


That sounds good to me..  A friend is in the same situation as you... (Having a casing that would be too big for a pot to dunk it in)..  Maybe even putting a layer of sterilized perlite on the bottom would be a good idea...  Then a nice 50/50 or 50/50+ on top.. 

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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #865239 - 09/05/02 11:03 AM (19 years, 23 days ago)

One more update for the curious (T3 on 50/50+ cased birdseed/millet).  The first pic is before harvest, and the second is after.  Total yield for first flush was approx. 300g wet -- this does not include the 22 caps removed for printing purposes.  Not bad for a 20cm x 20cm baking pan.. :grin:

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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #865268 - 09/05/02 11:22 AM (19 years, 23 days ago)

MOTHER OF PEARL!!!
that is awesome!
man I never personally seen yeilds like that from a single tub/bucket :frown:
man great work ultra great!
WOW!
thanks for the kick ass pics and update.
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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #865284 - 09/05/02 11:30 AM (19 years, 23 days ago)

AAWW. They are very cute and delicious looking. I am curious as to why they are collecting along the outer edge, but none the less, they are quite beautiful.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: Syprisss]
    #865646 - 09/05/02 03:42 PM (19 years, 23 days ago)

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AAWW. They are very cute and delicious looking. I am curious as to why they are collecting along the outer edge, but none the less, they are quite beautiful.



I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I don't see an unusual density on the edge. It looks relatively uniform to me..


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #866197 - 09/05/02 10:03 PM (19 years, 23 days ago)

Great grow bro!

Beautiful fruits!!!


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #866427 - 09/06/02 04:46 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

Nice job mickey! I notice you're using my (filthy) oven incubator tek. :smile:

It seems that straight cased grains flush best judging by these results and the sjamaan kit I did, among other pics I've seen.  I'll be very interested to see the second flush of that tray.

Oh, and I spawned a large tray of 3 in 1 last night with a grated 1 pint pf cake of B+... I'll post the results.

Again, awesome flush, dude!  :grin: 


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: TM]
    #866784 - 09/06/02 09:29 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

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Nice job mickey! I notice you're using my (filthy) oven incubator tek.



Actually, no. I would never use the oven for that. If you look in the background of the images, you will see that there is a foil covered bowl. It contains 50/50+ and was left in the oven to cool down. I place the casing there for the sake of convenience while I harvested and recased the tray, and took a few snapshots.

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It seems that straight cased grains flush best judging by these results and the sjamaan kit I did, among other pics I've seen. I'll be very interested to see the second flush of that tray.



I agree. It should be interesting. I also had virtually no aborts.

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Oh, and I spawned a large tray of 3 in 1 last night with a grated 1 pint pf cake of B+... I'll post the results.



Please do. I'd like to see the results. I harvested the straight 3n1 tray (PR) with no casing layer early this morning. Was a disappointing flush -- about 60 grams or so. For the second flush, I gave it a 50/50+ layer on top. We'll see if that makes much of a difference.

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Again, awesome flush, dude!



Why thank you!

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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #866942 - 09/06/02 10:35 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

How did you crumble your cakes?


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    #866969 - 09/06/02 10:46 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

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How did you crumble your cakes?



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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #867809 - 09/06/02 08:29 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

I use a course cheese grater, saw someone post that a couple of weeks ago, and it's definately the best way to spawn poo with pf cakes!  You can really get it all evenly mixed just like rye.  My iguana is admiring his tray of creeper mycelium on horse poo done with that method (95% colonized in 10 days, 12:1 ratio).
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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: TM]
    #867842 - 09/06/02 08:44 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

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I use a course cheese grater



Well that settles it; I?m definitely going to try that.


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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #870183 - 09/08/02 01:50 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

hey mickey
am a newbie, but been reading
wondering if you use a humidifier or go with perlite for humidity
those are some nice fruits you got there man
inspiring :smile:
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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: lizardking]
    #872014 - 09/09/02 10:24 AM (19 years, 19 days ago)

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wondering if you use a humidifier or go with perlite for humidity



I use neither. I mist the casing layer if it looks dry, and the moisture from the trays maintains an RH% of around 80-95% when I leave the "front door" cracked.

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those are some nice fruits you got there man




Thanks! My second flush is starting and I will post pics soon.

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Re: Scotts 3n1 in a Pot [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #872097 - 09/09/02 11:07 AM (19 years, 19 days ago)

thanks for that mickey
ill be sure to watch out for that 2nd flush man!
and hope u drop in on my first gro man
thanks
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