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Turkeyinthestraw said:
And why would you litter?    Was that a joke too?

MOTH- It was a joke, I never litter, I wanted to make her laugh.

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Ah...I'm guessing she didn't find it very funny?  It's because it seems like you're purposely trying to get under her skin.  I suppose she could just not even give your humor the time of day, just not react, but chances are she feels like you're poking fun at her choices. 

Just my theory! 

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circularvortex said:
I'd definitely enjoy being slapped with a hunk of beef.

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circularvortex said:
I eat meat and probably wouldn't enjoy being slapped with a hunk of beef.

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DragonChaser said:
Vegan cheese is fucking disgusting.  I lived with 2 chicks for a while, one was a vegan the other vegetarian.
They had this vegan party, and one of the dishes was macaroni and cheese.
I took a bite, and was immediately disgusted.  I forced a smile and asked what it was made of.  Fucking yeast.
I went into the bathroom and quietly scraped my plate into the toilet, and flushed that filth.

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Complex said:
i dated a vegetarian once and i got her to eat meat.



then i got her to try a hamburger..hey-o!

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fung_us_among_us said:
haha you've actually convinced vegans by telling them the cows would die if they weren't milked? there is a reason and a time when cows produce milk. milk for THEIR OFFSPRING, not for humans or for machines to take from her utter. if we were not impregnating the cows too often and when not needed, it would not be a problem.

the entire bovine species is pretty much screwed now from being so far removed from the wild and their natural instincts.

and again i am not vegan, i just know there is much foulplay in the dairy and meat packing industries. i prefer to buy local and humane products.

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It is a fact though our bodies function best with an omnivorous diet.

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Razor3lade said:
You slapped her with a steak . 

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MOTH said:
I don't understand what's so undesirable about dating a vegan.   

I'm raw vegan - I eat fruit mostly, and some greens.  I have often wondered if I would date a meat-eater ever again- but the truth is: health is more important to me.  Physical activity is important; being in motion with Life.  My dog and my cats all eat raw meat - and I still love them, I don't begrudge them their eating habits.  That's just what they eat!

I can understand the social eating thing getting on a meat-eater's nerves.  I don't go out to eat really; and if I do, I load up on fruit before I go and then just eat an undressed salad.  Maybe that's why it would be easier socially if I dated a raw vegan - but we're a rare breed, I've come to see...although I am gonna be going to some raw vegan meetups in my area soon to meet other likeminded folks. 

So ehh...I don't know.    Personally,  I'd date a vegan no problem! 

But if a meat-eater could respect my choices, I could respect his, and then we'd go running and biking together and all would be well.  Health is more important, in my eyes.

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Protein is formed from amino acids, not protein. 

I have more energy and endurance then ever before.  My body feels best when I eat this way...it's a yummy way to eat.

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Because our bodys require nutrients that can only be acquired from an omnivorous diet

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Not true.  What nutrients do you think we cannot obtain from a plant-based diet?

There is quite a bit of research which indicates that a vegetarian diet IS the most-optimal diet for humans.  If you are interested, check out this thread:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6779751#6779751

Diets containing meat and dairy products have been linked to heart disease & cancer, whereas vegan diets which omit such foods result in significantly-reduced risk of these health issues.  Vegetarians & vegans live longer than meat-eaters, and have fewer health issues overall while they are alive.  Sounds optimal to me. 

Your muscle loss and weight gain are very unlikely to be due to reducing your consumption of meat.  Perhaps you've increased the amount of starches & sugars in your diet?  A balanced mostly-vegetarian diet should not have a negative impact on muscularity, nor result in weight gain unless it includes excess calories.

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Because our bodys require nutrients that can only be acquired from an omnivorous diet

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Not true.  What nutrients do you think we cannot obtain from a plant-based diet?

There is quite a bit of research which indicates that a vegetarian diet IS the most-optimal diet for humans.  If you are interested, check out this thread:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6779751#6779751

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I dont want to debate the topic, I'm not even particularly passionate about it. I can think of all kinds of reasons to eat a vegetarian diet. But it isnt optimal for our bodys. It isnt bad either, it just isnt the best possible diet nutritian wise, consult a real nutritionist they know far more about it than I.

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Diets containing meat and dairy products have been linked to heart disease & cancer, whereas vegan diets which omit such foods result in significantly-reduced risk of these health issues.  Vegetarians & vegans live longer than meat-eaters, and have fewer health issues overall while they are alive.  Sounds optimal to me. 

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You're comparing a vegetarian diet with a the shitty food that most people eat. I would agree with you 100% that a vegetarian diet is superior to what most people eat, but I know of very few people who actually eat a well balanced and healthy diet.

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Your muscle loss and weight gain are very unlikely to be due to reducing your consumption of meat.  Perhaps you've increased the amount of starches & sugars in your diet?  A balanced mostly-vegetarian diet should not have a negative impact on muscularity, nor result in weight gain unless it includes excess calories.

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thats just simply not true. a diet without around 80 grams of lean animal protein per day is going result in a loss of muscle mass. I highly recommend talking to a proper clinical nutritionist, I work at a university, and I know that we offer consultations for free to students. If your a student you may want to look into it.

And again I agree with you there certainly are benefits to a vegetarian diet, and it is by far superior to the average American diet.

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It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.

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  So a diet is "not optimal," according to you, if you need to take a multi-vitamin (and other researchers disagree with this), yet you live longer & have fewer health problems?  W/E, you are obviously set on your POV. 

If the American Dietetic Association states that a vegetarian diet is healthful, nutritionally adequate and helps prevent major health problems, there is no way that a qualified Clinical Nutritionist would disagree.

Here's the SAME article from the ADA's website, since you felt moved to point out that it was on a yoga site.

http://www.adajournal.org/article/S0002-8223(97)00314-3/fulltext

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Vegetarian diets can also meet the needs of competitive athletes. Protein needs may be elevated because training increases amino acid metabolism, but vegetarian diets that meet energy needs and include good sources of protein (eg, soyfoods, legumes) can provide adequate protein without use of special foods or supplements.

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I already read the whole article, and quoted directly from it. I thought it was pretty clear, A vegetarian diet is not sufficient in and of itself, it need supplementation, and an addition of fortified foods. And no a diet is not optimal if it needs supplementation, why else would you need supplementation? Even with supplementation it is adequate at best. A well balanced omnivorous diet meets all of the body's requirements no supplementation needed, a vegetarian diet does not, it requires the supplementation of vitamins, minerals, and BCAA's in order to even be adequate. Believe what you want, but your own "source" supports this claim, as will any doctor or nutritionist you consult.

And again you are comparing a specialized vegetarian diet, to the average non-specialized unhealthy American diet. I agree a vegetarian diet is superior to the average Americans diet by far.

I have no bias, I rarely eat anything other than a vegetarian diet, I couldnt even tell you the last time I had a glass of milk, but I'm not oblivious to the facts. My diet has nothing to do with health, its just my preference.  If you really want to debate it, go talk to a nutritionist.

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Because our bodys require nutrients that can only be acquired from an omnivorous diet

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Not true.  What nutrients do you think we cannot obtain from a plant-based diet?

There is quite a bit of research which indicates that a vegetarian diet IS the most-optimal diet for humans.  If you are interested, check out this thread:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6779751#6779751

Diets containing meat and dairy products have been linked to heart disease & cancer, whereas vegan diets which omit such foods result in significantly-reduced risk of these health issues.  Vegetarians & vegans live longer than meat-eaters, and have fewer health issues overall while they are alive.  Sounds optimal to me. 

Your muscle loss and weight gain are very unlikely to be due to reducing your consumption of meat.  Perhaps you've increased the amount of starches & sugars in your diet?  A balanced mostly-vegetarian diet should not have a negative impact on muscularity, nor result in weight gain unless it includes excess calories.

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Turkeyinthestraw said:
She broke up with me : (

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Whoah! Over the steak?

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Because our bodys require nutrients that can only be acquired from an omnivorous diet

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Diets containing meat and dairy products have been linked to heart disease & cancer, whereas vegan diets which omit such foods result in significantly-reduced risk of these health issues.  Vegetarians & vegans live longer than meat-eaters, and have fewer health issues overall while they are alive.  Sounds optimal to me. 

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I already read the whole article, and quoted directly from it. I thought it was pretty clear, A vegetarian diet is not sufficient in and of itself, it need supplementation, and an addition of fortified foods. And no a diet is not optimal if it needs supplementation, why else would you need supplementation? Even with supplementation it is adequate at best. A well balanced omnivorous diet meets all of the body's requirements no supplementation needed, a vegetarian diet does not, it requires the supplementation of vitamins, minerals, and BCAA's in order to even be adequate. Believe what you want, but your own "source" supports this claim, as will any doctor or nutritionist you consult.

And again you are comparing a specialized vegetarian diet, to the average non-specialized unhealthy American diet. I agree a vegetarian diet is superior to the average Americans diet by far.

I have no bias, I rarely eat anything other than a vegetarian diet, I couldnt even tell you the last time I had a glass of milk, but I'm not oblivious to the facts. My diet has nothing to do with health, its just my preference.  If you really want to debate it, go talk to a nutritionist.

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its not true what you say, vegetarianism is adequate, i lived on it for a year, in india people live their whole lives on it.  How does a cow survive on grass only?

however, being vegetarian is harder, because you can't overcook food or eat preprocessed foods.  if you do that, it is adequate

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She broke up with me : (

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Whoah! Over the steak?

Sorry to hear it dude.

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that sucks dude. fuck her anyways. you dont win friends with salad

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niki420 said:
Wow, I'm really glad I found this thread! It's made me realize how lucky I am to have a boyfriend who lies to me in exchange for a good sexing.

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