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100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized)
    #8610446 - 07/08/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Here's my first attempt at a 100%25 coir spawn (oatman 2000's tek):

I chose to line the entire box with foil rather than just the inside just because it was easier with the type of foil I had.. I'm sure lining just the bottom part works just as well.



I did 2 bricks of coir with 2 gallons of boiling water and left it in the bucket for an hour before mixing it around and putting it in the 12qt sweater boxes.  I should have waited longer.  An hour is probably ok for 1 brick but 2 takes significantly longer to cool down to a temperature that's cool enough for handling.  By the time I got about half way down the bucket I hit the hotter coir and I am hoping it didn't hurt the myc even though I tried to cool it down a bit.  so for reference I'd say a couple of hours of cool down time for 2 bricks.





I used 3 quart spawn jars 1 jar for each tub.  1 ecuador and 2 PESA.



I laid down the coir bed about 3-4 inches thick along the bottom of the tub.



I then used about half the jar in the center of the substrate and mixed that in thoroughly so that the entire bed was mixed up with myc for faster colonizing.



After that I put some more coir on top of the myc and laid down the rest of the jar on top evenly layered across the bed.



The last one I had too much left in the jar to leave on top of the bed so I mixed it just a bit in the upper layer of the substrate so it would have something to munch on  :donut:



I covered the top with foil and punched pencil sized holes - then covered with micropore tape for gas exchange.



So in about 10 days we should know whether I did this all right or all wrong :grin:

Special thanks to oatman2000 for this tek - straight forward and to the point... exactly the way I like the ladies  :69: 

Note: During this tek I got so caught up in exactly following the tek as laid out by oatman that I forgot I wanted to add a bit of vermiculite to the mix for aeration.  I don't think this will cause much of a problem because the coir is moist enough and it seems very airy so I don't see a clumping problem too much for the amount of time it will need to colonize.  Guess I'll find out soon enough :thumbup:

Party on!

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Edited by wissper (07/08/08 10:31 PM)

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8610473 - 07/08/08 10:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: avidpicker]
    #8610540 - 07/08/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Nice keep us updated. :thumbup:


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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: MHbound]
    #8610999 - 07/09/08 01:06 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Looks like you're following the TEK! PM me so you know where to send my free spore print!  :wink:


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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8628678 - 07/13/08 09:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Update:  July 13th

Here's the pics from the 5th day of substrate colonization.








I'm thinking in a couple of more days they should be pretty much ready to case and fruit!

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8629028 - 07/13/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Looks nice. I can't wait to see what it does during fruiting. I think you'll be happy.


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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: MHbound]
    #8629045 - 07/13/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I think so too.  They're fluffy and gorgeous right now =)  I'm trying to decide on how to case - i have jiffy mix and coarse verm on site, but I think I will need to add some gypsum to balance the ph over the long term.  Gotta order that so it'll be here in time for casing these bad boys.  Maybe some crushed oyster shells too for good measure.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8629076 - 07/13/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The only one thing i see wrong, well, undesirable, not wrong, is the shallow  substrate depth, otherwise it looks GREAT!

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: jeetered]
    #8629097 - 07/13/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The substrate is 4" deep.  it's covered with foil all the way down.  These are 12qt sweater boxes and are almost filled to the top leaving just enough room for a casing layer.  The pictures are deceiving because I barely lifted the foil to take the shots.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8629114 - 07/13/08 12:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

wow the picutre looks like it's very very shallow.

SO NEVERMIND!!

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: jeetered]
    #8629166 - 07/13/08 12:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

So coir is nutritious enough to be used as substrate, and is often used in casing layers? Anyone want to help me understand this better?


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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Ledd]
    #8629204 - 07/13/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think I'd use coir as a casing layer for that exact reason.  It'd just extend my substrate rather than case the microclimate.  But I have heard of others using it .. maybe they sterilized it and killed off the nutes first?  I don't know.  I'm going to stick with coir subs and 50/50+ casing I think.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8629217 - 07/13/08 12:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Sterilizing doesn't kill nutrients for nutrients aren't living things. Nor does it degrade them. Imagine "killing" all the nutrients in your grain when you PC'd it.


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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Ledd]
    #8629230 - 07/13/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

good point - then I don't know how they make it work.  I would think that if you have coir substrate and coir casing it would just look at the coir as another sub layer and eat right through it.  I'm not sure how it'd work if you used a different substrate then cased with coir, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  All I know is my myc is loving this coir.. it's only been 5 days and it's almost ready to be cased.  I've heard of it taking up to 10 days before casing so I'm going to wait another couple of days for good measure to make sure it eats through the bottom layers of sub as well.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8629249 - 07/13/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I posted a thread asking the question. Maybe you need a close eye to initiate pinning before it colonizes the coir. Seems this could become an overlay issue for later flushes though. I dunno, we will see.


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Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: Ledd]
    #8644804 - 07/16/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Cased the 3 tubs today with jiffy mix/verm 85% 15% mix that was pasteurized the same way as the coir (boiling water then strained and cooled before mixing in the verm - put them in the FC at 93% RH




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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8644907 - 07/16/08 10:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

you should read up on hypahes pinning strategy it works great


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: abitavenger]
    #8644964 - 07/16/08 10:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I was just reading that actually.  So I should just cover these back up and wait then?  Does the cover need to be aerated or can I just use lids with no holes to hold in the moisture?  I guess I'm confused about the point of covering it up again since myc can't see through the casing layer anyway and the fc is holding the humidity at a high level 95-97% rh which should keep the casing layer moist enough.  I know there's a reason I'm just trying to understand what it is =)

Edit: 

I went ahead and pulled the trays out of the FC and drilled some holes in the plastic lids and covered those with micropore tape for gas exchange (in case it's needed which I'm not sure it is right now)  I put them into a closet that's a little warmer than the FC which was 73 degrees at the time (a bit low).  I'm not sure what the temp is in the closet but I know it's at least a couple of degrees higher.  That's the best I can do without putting them outside in scorching 90+ heat which would be bad for them.  So at this point I'm supposed to wait another 3 days for them to pop up through the casing and patch then into the FC from what hyphae's tek says.  I've been working on these so long I want them to do well so I'm gonna follow it to a T and hope for the best.  These 3 trays look like  strong colonizers and so I'm hoping they'll fruit well.  I wasn't aware that the pinset for the 2nd and 3rd flushes were created at the initial flush.  That's good to know.. now I understand more about why the initial pinning is so important.

Thanks for the heads up.






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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing *DELETED* [Re: abitavenger]
    #8644977 - 07/16/08 10:38 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: Th1rt3en]
    #8644985 - 07/16/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I picked it up on ebay for around $25.00 just do a search for 4 tier greenhouse and it should pop up the guy who sells them.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: Th1rt3en]
    #8645863 - 07/17/08 06:36 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

wiss: the reason for covering them after casing is to hold in most of the CO2 and keep them in colonization mode while they reach up through the casing layer a bit. Then when you remove the foil or cover and put into the FC, they are exposed to the typical pinning triggers all at once (light, FAE, high humidity).


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: psg1]
    #8645901 - 07/17/08 06:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Gotcha.. that makes sense.  I covered em up last night so they were only in the FC about an hour or less which shouldn't have messed them up I don't think.  I'll check them in a couple of days to see if the myc is pushing up through the casing layer before I fruit them.  Hopefully by using hyphae's method it'll speed up the overall process and lead to a really good pinset.

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updated pinning pics [Re: wissper]
    #8678074 - 07/24/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Here's a pinning update as of July 24th:








cute little guys .. hope the pics came out good enough for you to see.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8678196 - 07/24/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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I picked it up on ebay for around $25.00 just do a search for 4 tier greenhouse and it should pop up the guy who sells them.




WalMart has them too they dont have up a display you actually have to find the box. I found mine in the outside portion of the garden dept.


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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8691705 - 07/28/08 09:42 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

July 28th harvest - little late as they had sporulated in the FC and made a mess, but a decent harvest for my first run ever.













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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8691709 - 07/28/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

NICE, i've yet to have coir recover from being spooged all over though  :frown:

looks good!

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: jeetered]
    #8691729 - 07/28/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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NICE, i've yet to have coir recover from being spooged all over though  :frown:

looks good!




I have never spooged all over my coir to began with:blowjob: .... just seems like bad manners :dielaughing:

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Blutjager]
    #8691733 - 07/28/08 09:51 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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NICE, i've yet to have coir recover from being spooged all over though  :frown:

looks good!




I have never spooged all over my coir to began with:blowjob: .... just seems like bad manners :dielaughing:




maybe im just to into my coir.

the spores silly!

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: jeetered]
    #8691740 - 07/28/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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NICE, i've yet to have coir recover from being spooged all over though  :frown:

looks good!




I have never spooged all over my coir to began with:blowjob: .... just seems like bad manners :dielaughing:




maybe im just to into my coir.

the spores silly!




Yea I know man,just adding some humor to the cultivation board you know :lol:

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Blutjager]
    #8692486 - 07/28/08 01:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Wish the ecuador flush would have been bigger.  I think it'll probably only be a couple of oz's dry.  The amazon first flush was great though.  I decided since I'm short on time right now that I'd recase the substrate with some damp vermiculite to rehydrate the microclimate since it seemed very dry.  I'll continue misting a couple or three times a day to keep the moisture level optimal and see what happens from there.  Not sure anything will since at least one of the amazon trays sporulated everywhere.  It happened literally within 36 hours of my last check on them when they were just little pinheads.  I expected to have at least a couple of more days before I had to harvest but lo' and behold i opened up the door and BAM there they were!  lol.  Lesson learned.. next run when I do some golden teachers I'll do better.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8693369 - 07/28/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nice flush:thumbup:Nice to see it worked out for ya.After seeing this thread, i have decided to give coir a try.I spawned 4 days ago,2 rye and brf cakes with coir and coffee.It would be nice to have similar results,being my first time attempting.Keep us posted wissper.


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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: avidpicker]
    #8693908 - 07/28/08 07:38 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I'd wager that you'll have even better results since you put some coffee in your coir.  I didn't do that this round, but I probably will next round as well as some gypsum for ph balance in the casing and maybe some oyster shells if I can find them in time.  For now I'm waiting on my GT wbs jars to colonize and the 2nd+ flushes to come from these tubs.  I have 3 pint brf cake jars of different varieties I'm going to try something with just not sure what yet.  Will probably crumble them into coir the way I do wbs.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8694015 - 07/28/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

coffee isn't the only thing to add.

I generally put malt extract, coffee, karo, calc carb, some boiled down beer (non alcohol), and a little oil, just a tsp, and it seems to do ok.

I never find coir to have a good 2nd or 3rd flush though.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: jeetered]
    #8704980 - 07/30/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Well.. final first flush update:  I harvested and dried them to a final weight of roughly 4.5oz. - not too bad.. 3.5oz amazon, 1oz ecuador.  We'll see how the 2nd flush does .. hopefully better.  I think one of the problems with the first flush was too high humidity for a cased substrate.. I was running around 98% humidity consistently when I should have been around 85-90%.  After doing some more reading I read RR's info on the topic so I have cut some more slits in the GH to compensate for the humidity levels being so high.  Round 2... ding ding ding.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #8705490 - 07/31/08 12:40 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: avidpicker]
    #8705655 - 07/31/08 01:18 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Very nice mate! im sure you enjoyed the grow very much :smile:


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8705862 - 07/31/08 02:48 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nice stuff cant wait to see some fruit action!


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: risndeath]
    #8716871 - 08/02/08 03:58 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

This is encouraging. My coir bulk experiments are almost ready for the FC. Got 3 trays. Those look like some robust fruitage.


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: ray40cal]
    #8716935 - 08/02/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The one thing I would note about this grow is watch the progress closely.  I missed picking at the optimal time by like 12 hours and they spooged everywhere.  At least the amazonian did.  They really shot up fast.. way faster than I expected.  That might not be true for all strains but this one did for sure.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8717598 - 08/02/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

nice stuff man coir ftw.


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: risndeath]
    #8718035 - 08/02/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

nice job, I wouldnt have expected all coir to produce so well.


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: Bassman]
    #8718310 - 08/02/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

me neither that is really cool i guess there are alot of nutrients in that shit ;p


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: risndeath]
    #8719290 - 08/03/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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me neither that is really cool i guess there are alot of nutrients in that shit ;p




Apparantly so.. I would never have thought that either.  The 2nd flush has started to pin on two trays.  I dunked the 3rd one and recased it to see how much of a difference that makes in the flush so that one hasn't started to pin yet, but I bet it does better than the non-dunked one.  I'll get some pics up for the 2nd flush when they're a little more mature.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: risndeath]
    #8719473 - 08/03/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Glad to hear you are having good success...  Coir is pretty damn good it's kinda like a pore mans bulk substrate.. The flushes are not as good as say straw and poo but it still works..

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: Damion5050]
    #8719998 - 08/03/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Glad to hear you are having good success...  Coir is pretty damn good it's kinda like a pore mans bulk substrate.. The flushes are not as good as say straw and poo but it still works..





Yeah I think I might do straw and poo for the next batch.  I also read a tek using boil-a-bags, a food can with rock wool and vermiculite as a filter, and straight straw that looked promising.  I think from everything I've read straw w/ hpoo is the best substrate so that seems like the thing to do if I can find some hpoo to use.  I guess cow poo would work too but I'm not sure if the store bought bags would work or not.  They're easy to find though so I might give it a whirl and see what happens.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8720926 - 08/03/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Glad to hear you are having good success...  Coir is pretty damn good it's kinda like a pore mans bulk substrate.. The flushes are not as good as say straw and poo but it still works..





Yeah I think I might do straw and poo for the next batch.  I also read a tek using boil-a-bags, a food can with rock wool and vermiculite as a filter, and straight straw that looked promising.  I think from everything I've read straw w/ hpoo is the best substrate so that seems like the thing to do if I can find some hpoo to use.  I guess cow poo would work too but I'm not sure if the store bought bags would work or not.  They're easy to find though so I might give it a whirl and see what happens.


Read this forum and check this product out it sounds very promising and I can also get it locally it is what I am going to try next

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8545631/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/5

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8726601 - 08/04/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Here's the 2nd flush from the Ecuador - about the same amount as the 1st flush.  Not too dense.  This one wasn't dunked - just recased with damn verm after 1st flush.  One thing I noticed is the 2nd flush did have some larger caps than the 1st one.. maybe because I fanned them more with a handheld fan/mister.





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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8727092 - 08/04/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nice work with straight coir, some nice fruits there.

Just curious as to what brand of coir was used and was this multi-spore inoculation?

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: AbaZabba]
    #8727105 - 08/04/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

It's earth something from petco or petsmart i think.. can't remember right now.  This was syringe to WBS.  The pics above are Ecuador and the bigger 1st flush was amazonian.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8727301 - 08/05/08 12:40 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Good shit,wissper:thumbup: Just got pins everywhere on my attempt,its looking good so far.How did you dunk,and for how long?


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: avidpicker]
    #8727706 - 08/05/08 06:08 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Good shit,wissper:thumbup: Just got pins everywhere on my attempt,its looking good so far.How did you dunk,and for how long?




I dunked in the sink under running water for an hour with a brick on top to keep the sub from floating.  I made sure to leave the water gently running per RR's post somewhere on the board to prevent contams from taking hold while dunking.  I think you could probably dunk longer, but the sub felt pretty hydrated after an hour so I left it at that.  I recased with pasteurized Jiffy Mix (just a little) and put it back in the FC.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8735700 - 08/06/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

2nd flush 1st tray of PESA:



Here they're almost ready to harvest.





Right before harvest - not too many caps but bigger ones than the first flush by far.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8738505 - 08/07/08 11:12 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

It always seems that successive flushes usually provide larger fruits than the first/previous flushes.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8738547 - 08/07/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yeah.. they grow hella quick once they have gotten past the pin phase.. I love coir.. it works so well and its so cheap.. really couldnt ask for a better bulk sub for the price..

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8739099 - 08/07/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

This is good to see, looking forward to doing this exact thing in about a month!!!


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: apostle11]
    #8739663 - 08/07/08 03:56 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The one tub that I dunked and recased with jiffy mix only has like 3 little pins showing through the casing.. and they're all in different areas.  One on either end of the tub and one right in the middle.  Kind of strange that there aren't more pins I think since I dunked it.  If it doesn't do any more than these three then non-dunking will have outperformed it by quite a bit.  I'm hoping that in the next day or so more will pop up.  the 3 that are there now are still really small.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8739689 - 08/07/08 04:01 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

what are you doing AFTER you dunk? sounds like you are getting a shitty pinset after dunking.. that would explain the lack of mushies.. How are you treating the casing after you dunk?

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8740162 - 08/07/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

he's recasing, and it's not practical.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: jeetered]
    #8740840 - 08/07/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I am geting ready to do some popcorn to coir for the first time..  I was just wondering how much you guys pay for coir.. I picked up a brick of it at a local pet store 100% organic coir bedding it says.. It was in the lizard section and only cost me $2.99 for a brick and I bought 6 of them the last six they had in stock being that it is so cheap and it's a good starting bulk substrate for a noob..

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8741305 - 08/07/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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what are you doing AFTER you dunk? sounds like you are getting a shitty pinset after dunking.. that would explain the lack of mushies.. How are you treating the casing after you dunk?




After the 1st flush I dunked it with running water for an hour then recased with jiffy mix just a little on the top and edges where it shrank from the sides of the tub.  I didn't dunk the casing.. just the substrate.  The casing was all washed away by the dunking so I recased.  This is the first time I've tried this so I have no idea what I'm doing really.. just going on the advice I've read through the forums.  Basically I did it because I wasn't seeing any new pins or growth so I thought it might be too dry.  The uncased tray I had of amazons did a fairly small 2nd flush with large fruits.  I wasn't very impressed with that one either.  I just don't think coir presents enough nutrients for the mushies to get good follow up flushes.  Next round if I can't get ahold of some hpoo and straw to use I'm adding gypsum and spent coffee grounds so hopefully that will help.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: jeetered]
    #8741319 - 08/07/08 10:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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he's recasing, and it's not practical.




Do you think I should just flip the tub and leave the sub sitting on the lid so I have 5 sides of sub exposed for fruiting?  Maybe I could force a better pinset that way and avoid dealing with the casing?

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8741320 - 08/07/08 10:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Add some dehydrated chicken poo too!!!:poop:


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wasting_space]
    #8742882 - 08/08/08 08:21 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Add some dehydrated chicken poo too!!!:poop:




Dehydrated isn't nearly as important as COMPOSTED.  If it's not composted, it will have too much urea for mushroom growing.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: Sillicybin]
    #8743023 - 08/08/08 09:12 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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I just don't think coir presents enough nutrients for the mushies to get good follow up flushes.




very untrue.. I, and alot of others, get HUGE flushes from straight coir.. I get at least 3 nice, solid flushes.. it may have been the spores that germinated.. It could very well be a genetic trait for that substrain, that makes it flush for shit..

try another syringe or just use the same to noc up some more jars.. I mean, if you dunk it, it will flush.. if its not, then something is awry..

how long are you waiting after you re-case it to put it back in fruiting conditions? are you just putting the casing on and starting fae and light again? if you are, thats your problem..

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8745785 - 08/08/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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I just don't think coir presents enough nutrients for the mushies to get good follow up flushes.




very untrue.. I, and alot of others, get HUGE flushes from straight coir.. I get at least 3 nice, solid flushes.. it may have been the spores that germinated.. It could very well be a genetic trait for that substrain, that makes it flush for shit..

try another syringe or just use the same to noc up some more jars.. I mean, if you dunk it, it will flush.. if its not, then something is awry..

how long are you waiting after you re-case it to put it back in fruiting conditions? are you just putting the casing on and starting fae and light again? if you are, thats your problem..




What should I do after I recase post-dunk?  re-incubate?  I had advice not to re-incubate after dunking just to case it and put it back in the FC. Obviously that's not working really well.. at least not this batch.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8745855 - 08/08/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I have received very nice 2nd 3rd and 4th flushes by lightly scraping the casing layer off with the serrated edge of a steak knife and dunking my casing for a few hours..Then applying a small amount of verm and placing the sub back in my fc...


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wasting_space]
    #8746149 - 08/08/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Oatman

here's my latest results following the coir









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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: jeetered]
    #8755862 - 08/10/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Here's the results from the dunked tub of PESA.  Nothing major as far as numbers (only 3 big and 1 small) but the size was great.











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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8756187 - 08/10/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nice, you got about 2 solid trips right there. :thumbup:


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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #8848903 - 08/29/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

WOW!
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You followed the tek to a "T"
Kudo's for following the directions and getting some good fruits!

Guess i should be following these posts a bit more often.
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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #9959254 - 03/12/09 04:23 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

how much of coir/coffee do you use

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: mobcali]
    #9960054 - 03/12/09 06:24 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

I use no coffee anymore.

And now i use 2 quarts to 1 brick which make 2 tubs.
it's stretching it...I know, but my TC's are agressive and I seem to get more fruits than 3quarts per brick.


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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Oatman2000]
    #9978079 - 03/15/09 07:28 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

i have a 54Qt tub that is 14x18 and i was wondering how much Coir do i use?

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: mobcali]
    #9978122 - 03/15/09 07:38 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

If you were doing a tub that was 14x18 and 5 inches and depending on what your spawn ratio is.

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1:1  You would need 11 quarts of substrate 
1:2  You would need 16 quarts of substrate
1:3  You would need 18 quarts of substrate
1:4  You would need 20 quarts of substrate

Coir brick is about 8-9 quarts sooo..

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Damion5050]
    #9978145 - 03/15/09 07:44 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

I bought a spawn bag form TMS. i think its roughly 1Lb.

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    #9978150 - 03/15/09 07:45 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

Thats roughly one quart maybe 2 at the most that is not enough to spawn to coir in that big of a tray or tub

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Damion5050]
    #9978197 - 03/15/09 07:55 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

what would be your thoughts on what to do with my spawn bag then?
I also have 2 one pint jars 

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: mobcali]
    #9978212 - 03/15/09 07:57 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

You can spawn it just as it is if you wanted too, it's called invitro.  I would learn to do grains or cakes if I was you.. Go down to my signature and click the link that says USEFUL LINKS FOR ANYONE AND EVERYONE.. and do some research.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Damion5050]
    #9978233 - 03/15/09 08:03 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: mobcali]
    #10323653 - 05/11/09 06:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

How about 2 bricks of coir. how many Quarts of spawn would you say i would need. I was thinking about 4.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: mobcali]
    #10324227 - 05/11/09 08:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I use 1 brick of coir per 2 12qt. trays with 1 qt of spawn per tray.  so 2 bricks would be 4 quarts and 4 trays.  That's always colonized fairly quickly for me and produced pretty even pinsets with no contamination so far.


Just a quick side note:  I do about 4-5 inches of substrate per tray and the more spawn you use per tray the faster it will colonize but 1 qt is fairly fast for me at least.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: wissper]
    #10331878 - 05/13/09 11:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks.

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: mobcali]
    #11621831 - 12/10/09 07:18 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

sorry for bumping old topic..has anyone tried making spawn on coco coir??

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: vishal779]
    #11621846 - 12/10/09 07:24 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

What are you asking?


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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11622165 - 12/10/09 09:12 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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What are you asking?



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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11622601 - 12/10/09 10:54 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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What are you asking?




He's asking if anyone has put a bunch of coco coir in a jar, PCed it, and then knocked it up. No one has ever tried it (to my knowledge, which is not vast), you should do an experiment :smile:


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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: beatnicknick]
    #11627441 - 12/11/09 12:36 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i thought the question was simple and easy to answer(if someone has enough knowledge)..better I try my hand to it..

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: vishal779]
    #11627594 - 12/11/09 01:12 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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vishal779 said:
sorry for bumping old topic..has anyone tried making spawn on coco coir?? Is it potent enough??





How does this question make sense ??  What does potency have to do with coir as a spawn ?

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Re: 100% coir spawn (first attempt) -- oatman2000's tek (pics and journalized) [Re: Damion5050]
    #11627657 - 12/11/09 01:26 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Dont waste money on substrate. Spawn to hpoo! Its free and gives the best overall results handsdown, nothing compares.

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: wissper]
    #17248653 - 11/19/12 07:44 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Did you put a lid over the coir while you were hydrating it? I've read alot of teks where lids are used, but is it essential?

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: daytripping]
    #17248672 - 11/19/12 07:47 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm: It's a 4 year old thread and the OP hasn't logged on in over a year...:failboat:

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: PussyFart]
    #17248709 - 11/19/12 07:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

And yes, when using the bucket tek to semi pasteurize coir, you have to use a tight fitting lid.

But follow these teks.. they're more up to date...

http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir

http://www.shroomery.org/10677/Monotub

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14507008#14507008

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Re: Update on 100% coir spawn - casing [Re: PussyFart]
    #17248727 - 11/19/12 07:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Thank! I figured there was some intelligent individual on here that could help .

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