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Entropymancer said:
Yeah, people don't usually go about their philanthropic acts cloaked in secrecy and deception.

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Entropymancer said:
Yeah, people don't usually go about their philanthropic acts cloaked in secrecy and deception.

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someone stole a car from a parking lot near where I used to live,
it was returned 3 months later with repairs and new paint, the
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Entropymancer said:
Yeah, people don't usually go about their philanthropic acts cloaked in secrecy and deception.

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someone stole a car from a parking lot near where I used to live,
it was returned 3 months later with repairs and new paint, the
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if thats true thats awesome.
I would love to do that to someone

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zouden said:
I heard that the government is secretly trying to make the world a better place

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Ego Death said:
You expect the shadow government to pop out and go hey we killed loads of our own people so we could fulfill our megalomaniac fantasies,  whoopee!?

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Entropymancer said:
Yeah, people don't usually go about their philanthropic acts cloaked in secrecy and deception.

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someone stole a car from a parking lot near where I used to live,
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Ego Death said:
Explain how a plane manages to cut steal supports and plant thermite demolition charges in a nearby building?  (building 7)

That building was demolished.  Thats is fact and speak volumes about the whole event.

What you gonna claim a measly little fire could somehow melt steal supports and that the traces of thermite and molten metal are all part of a counter conspiracy?

I expect you just dodge/ignore every question I propose though...

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AegentMonty said:
Imagine someone or a group of people doing something seemingly wonderful or saying they are doing something wonderful as a mask for something evil or bad.

Now imagine another group doing/saying something horrible/evil/violent as a mask for something wonderful. Its just not nearly as likely.  murderous people are the ones more willing to deceive. They are the ones that have a reason TO deceive. People trying to save the world or do something wonderful proclaim their intentions. Someone starts a charity organization and proclaims exactly what they intend to do, because of opposition they will much more likely get support.

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daytripper23 said:
What about the whole God theory?

The way I understand it, a conspiricy is not necessarily good or bad, an instance where one lacks information. In this world, we generally tend to find ourselves within or without.

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Ego Death said:
I expect you just dodge/ignore every question I propose though...

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guruu said:
You appear to have spent literally no time at all researching this subject.  The conspiracies have all been debunked.

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Ahhh, another successful prediction.

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WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors — along with the building's unusual construction — were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

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guruu said:


I forget why it's pointless to start arguing in these threads.

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Because people here tend to think at least somewhat for themselves, and dont accept a magazine article as infallible proof. It does make chiming in with unchallenged retorts  difficult.

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Because people here tend to think at least somewhat for themselves, and dont accept a magazine article as infallible proof. It does make chiming in with unchallenged retorts  difficult.

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The problem is, none of us are engineers or demolisions experts, so thinking for ourselves doesn't get very far

Does it seem strange to me that the impact of a plane could weaken the structure to the extent that it comes crashing down at freefall speed? Of course.  But I really don't have the background to make any actual claims about that.

Obviously there's something that doesn't seem to add up about the September 1th attacks.  That's plain to see.  But that doesn't mean that all the allegations from the conspiracy videos are correct. 

All the amateur speculation discredits the conspiracy camps.  And all the anti-conspiracists' refusal to acknowledge that there's evidence of anything other than a plain old terrorist attack in line with the "official account" discredits their camp just as badly.

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Because people here tend to think at least somewhat for themselves, and dont accept a magazine article as infallible proof. It does make chiming in with unchallenged retorts  difficult.

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The problem is, none of us are engineers or demolisions experts, so thinking for ourselves doesn't get very far

Does it seem strange to me that the impact of a plane could weaken the structure to the extent that it comes crashing down at freefall speed? Of course.  But I really don't have the background to make any actual claims about that.

Obviously there's something that doesn't seem to add up about the September 1th attacks.  That's plain to see.  But that doesn't mean that all the allegations from the conspiracy videos are correct. 

All the amateur speculation discredits the conspiracy camps.  And all the anti-conspiracists' refusal to acknowledge that there's evidence of anything other than a plain old terrorist attack in line with the "official account" discredits their camp just as badly.

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so whats the point of speaking about it anyway? it's not going to prove/disprove anything.

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Theres also the photos of the steels with 45 degree cuts and that scientist that found traces of thermite.

 

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You mean this picture right?



A picture that was taken days after the recovery effort was already underway. A recovery effort that included cutting the remaining steel beams to make a safe working environment for the rescue and recovery crews operating in the rubble.

You troofers are something else man.

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Ego Death said:
The supports were brought down with the building,
watch the video.  You will see there are no steels standing.

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b0red5tiff said:
as long as i can feed my persecution complex and need to fill my feeling of self-worth.

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I agree, but its not like the 9/11 theory are based off of information that we have, they are based on information we dont have. Its foolish to make wild assumptions, there are obviously some things that dont match up, and we should definitely question any inconsistency's, but making wild theory's without any data just makes any legitimate claims seem absurd.

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BoneMan said:
conspiracy theories are for people who need someone to blame for everything thats wrong with the world, just like everyone else. Only they prefer to put the blame on evil organizations like the Illuminati and the Legion of Doom, or the Hitler Clones Committee.

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wyldeman007 said:
Hasn't anyone brought up Achems razor yet?

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wyldeman007 said:
Yeah oops! *Occam's

There is no absolute truth in anything really, only degrees of uncertainty. As a skeptic I highly doubt that a multitude of ad populum and appeal to authority 9/11 conspiracy arguments hold any water. There isn't any good reason to believe 9/11 was an inside job. The Bush administration could have taken advantage of the situation regardless. For a long time, the only thing that held my suspicion was the near free-fall collapse issue, every other argument is very desperate and extremely improbable.

Here is a REAL, testable theory on the progressive collapse of the towers. It details the "pancaking", and more importantly, it details how a collapse could have occurred at NEAR free-fall speed from the antecedent airliners. NO thermite no demolition necessary!

You can't seriously hope to argue against this with the kind of ammo you're supplying.

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Aliens did it.

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Entropymancer said:
"But it wasn't until the great Dawkins met his lovely bride Garrison that he realized tha being right wasn't enough;  you have to be a complete dick to everyone who disagrees with you." (from Go God Go)

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SDL309 said:
Trying to formulate theories is how this world has had scientific advance...yeah.

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Loaded Shaman said:
Critical thinking absolutely is a lost art.

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