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New Member, New Grower, First Attempt...
    #8602735 - 07/06/08 11:57 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hello,

Ive recently been reading these forums due to an increased interest in shroom cultivation. Ive read a lot of threads on a lot of different teks and ideas.

Its really a lot of information to take in, so Im posting this in hopes of obtaining advice as my shroom growing progresses (hopefully.) I am going to list my progress here, so please feel free to analyze, critique and give feedback for anything.

For my first attempt, I have decided to use the PF Tek (For Simple Minds.)

I obtained the required materials, and while waiting for my spores to arrive (it took a week,) I sprayed down one of my walk-in closets with lysol daily.

When the spores arrived, I prepared my substrate. In a giant, clean and sanitized mixing bowl, I added in fine grade vermiculite, and mixed in cold bottled water until water could be seen slowly running from the bottom of the bowl, just like in the guide.

Once the proper water content was achieved, I added in the brown rice flour. I followed the proportions listed in the instructions, however I found that the mix just wasnt as white as it appeared on the guide, so I added a bit more BRF. Do these measurements needs to be precise, or is it okay to stray from suggestions in the guides? Will using more BRF than I should have cause any issues?

After mixing, I added the substrate to ten half pint jars, loosely filling them to about half an inch from the top. I ensured no substrate was left on the edges of the jars, and added my layer of dry vermiculite at the top.

I covered each jar with a folded layer of tin foil, then screwed on the lids (their centers were missing so I could screw them down and still have access to the foil cover) then added the single sheet of foil on top.

I had an over-sized pot with a strainer that sat about 2" above the bottom, which I placed the jars in, and kept boiling (covered) for 2 hours to let the steam sterilize. After the 2 hours ended, I let the jars cool overnight in my sterilized closet.

The next day I sprayed my bathroom, my bedroom, my clean clothes and the growing closet with lysol. I showered with antibacterial foaming soap, put on my clean clothes, put on one of those germ masks, and put on some latex gloves. I sprayed my clothes one more time with lysol, and rinsed my gloves in rubbing alcohol.

I walked into the growing room, washed my gloves in rubbing alcohol again, took out the syringe (Alacabenzi spores) and added the needle. One by one I took the top layer of foil off each jar, flame sterilized the needle (I did this for each jar) and injected the spores in 4 equally opposite sides of the jar, making sure I saw the spores run down the sides of the jar.

One by one, once inoculated, I misted each layer of foil with some rubbing alcohol before covering the jars back up (in case some germs/bacteria/whatever got on the foil) and placed them in my incubator. I sprayed a small cloth towel with lysol, and placed it over the jars.

I have a remote thermometer, and currently have the incubator set to 80F inside the box. Ive read that mycelium generates heat as it is growing, so I left it at 80F in case the inside of the jars was warmer.

This was completed today (07/06/2008) at approx 11 AM Pacific. I will add my results and pictures should the mycelium successfully colonize the jars.

How did I do so far?

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8602791 - 07/07/08 12:23 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like you read up before asking questions...Props. I actually did the same thing you did on my first grow or so. I thought I needed more of something, and I ended up being fine. I would say you will probably be fine, but the vermiculite helps for moisture so it may cause some problems, but I doubt any noticeable differences. How much more BRF did you add?


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: MHbound]
    #8602821 - 07/07/08 12:32 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I added about 1 cup more BRF to the entire mix, for all ten jars. I added a tiny bit more water too, as I noted the mixture was not as moist as it originally was. I was very careful and patient with this mix, and added the extras in bit by bit until the mix looked 'right'.

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: MHbound]
    #8602834 - 07/07/08 12:39 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

You maybe should have kept to the recipe, but it sounds like your trying to hit a home run friend. The only thing I would have done, (which you may have just failed to note), is shaken my syringe like I was rubbing one out, before inoculation. (I wonder why syringe dealers don't go the extra small step of adding a drop of JetDry to the mix? That's worth a couple bucks extra to me...) The best of luck to you! Welcome to the Shroomery! Next round of free spore prints is on you! I called it! No takebacks!

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8602842 - 07/07/08 12:43 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

You should be fine. I would stick to the TEK next time as it has been proven to work time, and time again. I can say this from personal experience. Adding water can often hurt it causing "wet spots", but the water should be absorbed by the extra BRF you placed in the jars. I think you'll be fine. I'm sure some others will be by shortly to give their opinions. Good luck and keep us updated. You could possibly start a grow log with pictures.


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: MHbound]
    #8602868 - 07/07/08 12:54 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Ah, I did leave that out. I did ensure there was some air in the syringe, and gave it a good shake. I don't know if I shook it like I was rubbing one out...but close :tongue:

As for the extra BRF/water, I will make sure to just stick to directions next time. For some reason the mix as it was just felt wrong to me. I don't know why, considering I had zero growing experience prior to this attempt...

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8602887 - 07/07/08 01:01 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Last thing...Hopefully you flamed the needle before inoculating EACH jar until the needle tip was red hot, and then flamed it one more time before you put the cap back on.


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8602892 - 07/07/08 01:03 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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nez said: For some reason the mix as it was just felt wrong to me. I don't know why, considering I had zero growing experience prior to this attempt...




Maybe you're one of those people that have it all in your genes at birth! It's like Zen growing. (That's when you and the spores are at one with the universe, and your jars are just in the way...)

I'm funnin' ya. Glad you shook 'em up, even if you didn't do it like you were rubbing one out.

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8602916 - 07/07/08 01:17 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

sounds like your on the right path!


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8602963 - 07/07/08 01:47 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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MHbound said:
Last thing...Hopefully you flamed the needle before inoculating EACH jar until the needle tip was red hot, and then flamed it one more time before you put the cap back on.




Yes, I did do that. The needle did not inoculate a jar unless it was flame sterilized first.

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Maybe you're one of those people that have it all in your genes at birth! It's like Zen growing. (That's when you and the spores are at one with the universe, and your jars are just in the way...)





Haha, I wish I was the Shroom Zen Master, I'd be rich, among other things...

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8603365 - 07/07/08 08:10 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I followed the proportions listed in the instructions, however I found that the mix just wasnt as white as it appeared on the guide, so I added a bit more BRF. Do these measurements needs to be precise, or is it okay to stray from suggestions in the guides? Will using more BRF than I should have cause any issues?





No the BRF/Verm "recipe" does not have to be exact.  AFOAF likes to use MORE BRF then any of the recipes suggest.  As long as its 'close' to the amounts called for in the pf tek and others, it should be fine.


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: beengonetoolong]
    #8603456 - 07/07/08 08:58 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i added xtra brf this time round and my jars are like 70% in 10 days

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: hoodbran]
    #8604294 - 07/07/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I've noticed a lot of people are adding casing to their cakes, but the pf tek for simple minds guide does not mention casing of any kind... Would casing pf cakes give me a better fruiting yield? If so, what is the optimum casing mix for pf cakes?

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8604347 - 07/07/08 02:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I don't like casing cakes, only grains. If you do choose to(your yields will probably be less than normal cakes) I would use one of ht 50/50 teks. Something like 50 either coir(or peat moss), and 50 vermiculite. You have to be careful when you get into this. You will have to read up on pasteurizing which isn't hard, and sterilize the vermiculite. If anything I would take the cakes...And dunk and roll them. If you don't know what that is...

Dunk them in water with a plate or something to submerge them completely for 6-24 hours no more than 24, and I usually do it about um 12-16.

Then roll the cakes after you pull them out in dry vermiculite. It acts as a casing in a sense. Will increase yields.


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: MHbound]
    #8604367 - 07/07/08 02:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds good so far, you seem really sterile about it all.  Did you inoculate in a glovebox of sorts as well or do open-air innoc?

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    #8604412 - 07/07/08 02:43 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

The safest bet is to take MHbound's advice and do a dunk and roll. The verm is a really thin casing that seems to help with pinning. It also helps rehydrate cakes by improving absorption from misting.

If you want to actually make trays and case them, you can find some good info by researching "crumble and case." Also, Hyphae's Pinning Strategy includes the crumble and case method, although alot of what he says can be used when casing anything.

My experience with crumbling and casing cakes is that you often get a bigger first flush with lots of small-medium shrooms. Total yield isn't improved since you still have the same 1/4 cup of brf as a food source. Rehydration via dunking is tough with a cased tray, so your yield may actually go down from the reduced water availability, although the casing layer can be used to counter this. Crumble and case methods greatly increase your chances of losing your grow to contaminants and there is a little more waiting since the substrate has to recover from crumbling. Although, as I said before, once the first flush happens, you often get a bigger first flush than cakes.

If you are just starting out, I'd keep the cakes whole. The best use, IMHO, for crumble and case methods is as a tool to learn a little about making and fruiting casings. You can also use the crumble and case technique plus a bulk substrate (coir is common to start on) to actually get much better yields. This lets you learn bulk without mastering grains, although grains aren't that hard and are well worth learning.

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: SelfDestruct]
    #8604479 - 07/07/08 03:05 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Sounds good so far, you seem really sterile about it all.  Did you inoculate in a glovebox of sorts as well or do open-air innoc?




No, I did not create a glovebox for this. I inoculated the jars in my closet room which has been sprayed down with lysol at least daily for a week prior to inoculating. About 5 minutes before the actual inoculation, I gave the closet a thorough spray of lysol.

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8631220 - 07/13/08 08:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Well, one week later and I bring good news - the mycelium in almost all jars is showing a good amount of growth. I can't find my battery charger for my camera, so I took a few pics with my cellphone camera. I know it's not the best quality, but I thought it might give some of you a good idea of where I'm at in this process. Here are a few pics:

Shot of a jar on July 11th:


Shot of the same jar on July 13th:


In my anxious wait of the growing, I decided to inoculate 6 more jars with the Puerto Rican strain. I wanted to take a pic of the jars before their tin foil cover to give you an idea of what I'm doing with the lids:


I inoculated the jars this morning. One thing that had me concerned is that even after shaking the syringe, I could not see any spores like I could with the other syringe. The syringe was pretty clear. I don't know if you can see much with this pic, but here it is:

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8631715 - 07/13/08 10:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Sweet. Its colonizing pretty rapidly thats good!

The 3 spots on the bottom of that jar look kind of gray. It may be from the light. I know in my jars it can look that way sometimes with the light reflecting off of the rounded edge.


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: MHbound]
    #8631837 - 07/13/08 11:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it's a lighting trick. The bottoms have no sign of growth, but show no sign of any contamination. One thing I've been wondering though, is that in another thread:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8608723/an/0/page/0

Some posters said the foil covering the jars should be removed. In the guides I've read, none have ever advised to do so. Am I missing something here?

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8631896 - 07/13/08 11:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

If you are using JARS with LIDS the foil should be removed! i supose you have a filter and a layer of dry verm so no contam will pass!

If you were using caps without lids the foil shouldnot be removed!


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8631911 - 07/13/08 11:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Do you have a 1/2 inch-1 inch dry layer of vermiculite on the top of your jars? Are you using any tyvek?

It helps to let air circulation in. In theory you don't have to do it. I keep tape over my holes unless they stall. I haven't seen any problems. Its debatable. Some people do it, some people don't. If you are using tyvek with a dry layer of vermiculite then I would take it off. Its better to have it off, but if you don't have any barriers against the contaminates then its better to just leave it on. It will slow the growth A LITTLE, but its not worth risking it if you don't have protection in place.

Buy some of that polypore tape I think its called from the grocery store. The medical tape that is breathable. Tape over your holes with that, and that should be fine if you don't have any tyvek.


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: dstark]
    #8631970 - 07/14/08 12:01 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Ahhh, okay that makes sense. I did not use the actual lids to my jar.

And to answer the other question, yes I have minimum .5 - 1 inches of dry verm on top. I'll have to check out that tape though, it would save me a little extra time and tin foil.

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8660587 - 07/20/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Well, another week later and the majority of my first batch of jars have been almost colonized:

Here is a pic of the same jar from last week:


And here is a pic of a jar from the second batch I did (It's been one week since inoculation)


Something that's had me concerned is that the second jar image is the only jar to show any growth at all. The other 5 jars show no signs of growth at all. Not even a tiny white spec. Whats the deal? I shook my syringe very well before inoculating. I couldn't see any spores in the syringe, so I can't say I'm very surprised to see these results.

Oh, and I've been slowly setting up a fruiting chamber. I understand that gas exchange is extremely important for pinning and fruiting, so I've devised this:


The fan is on a digital timer. It turns on for 5 minutes every 4 hours... So 6 times a day, every day. What are your opinions on using a fan for gas exchange?

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8664140 - 07/21/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

A fan on a very low setting for a very short time can work for FAE. It's basically just an automated version of fanning with a lid - which everyone recommends.

I wouldn't use one for 5 minutes though. Direct, sustained fanning like that for several minute will be overkill and will cause some significant drying of the cakes surface. They won't just be in a lower RH for a few minutes - they'll actually lose much of their surface moisture. The surface is where pins form and I would really worry about actually drying out tissue during the knotting/pinning phase when it just seems like the myc is searching for excuses to abort growth.

You have achieved the best FAE possible once you have completely forced all of the old air out of your terrarium. Your fan will probably accomplish this in seconds, not minutes. Once that happens, you cannot gain any additional FAE improvements until CO2 has time to build up. The only time it is advisable to fan longer is when a misting has left water on the surface of a casing layer or myc tissue. In that case, drastic evaporation is the goal of the extended fanning. Your misting isn't timed to your automatic fanning, so this isn't a factor.

I'm not real sure about how your FC is set up. Is the aquarium going to have some source of humidity added to it, or is that aquarium just going to be left open and put into a larger chamber with it's own source of humidity? If it's open and in a larger chamber, then you don't need a fan at all - CO2 doesn't sink and collect in low spots, it only builds up in enclosed areas. That's a myth that I'm going to try to kill soon in an article on gas behavior. If the aquarium is enclosed with it's own humidification source, then what does the lid look like? How ventilated is it. A fan pushing against some small holes may not expose the cakes and fruits to much direct wind.


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8664900 - 07/21/08 08:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Ah, I see. I can modify the timer to only turn the fan on for one minute, no less, which I will reprogram tonight.

The terrarium in the picture will be as-is. The top of the terrarium has a metal screen (like the screens in our windows,) which I will leave on. When the cakes are ready for fruiting, I will be adding wet perlite to the terrarium. My growing closet air temp is between 72-76F, which should create the humidity needed inside the terrarium, correct?

Also... so many questions, I apologize... as for lighting, above my FC I have a 4' fluorescent lighting fixture with 2 "cool white" lights. Is there such a thing as too much light? I'm tempted to just only leave 1 light on, but if anyone can give me their insight to this, I would appreciate it.

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8666582 - 07/22/08 04:52 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Window screens are designed to cause the least possible interference with flow of air and humidity. This means that your terrarium will probably not be any more humid then the rest of the closet. The perlite will evaporate and raise the humidity in the closet, but I really doubt you'll get anywhere near what mushrooms need. You definitely wouldn't need or want a fan with that set-up. If humidity is somehow maintained, FAE wouldn't be a concern at all since the screen would barely even slow down air exchange.

Look around the board for other thread discussing terrarium designs. A lot has been learned since the PF Tek and MMGG recommended aquariums with bubblers or ultrasonics. People are now getting much better results and spending less money by using plastic tubs and thick layers of perlite.

As far as the lighting goes, I've yet to hear of anyone hurting their grow by having too much. The type of light is very important though. "Cool White" tends to have a lower "color temperature" than you want. Fluorescents are still better than incandescents, but you'd be much better served with lights with a color temperature around 6500K. Lights labeled "Daylight" tend to be around there. That 4' fixture is going to give you better lighting than the vast majority of growers. It might be a bit into the point of diminishing returns to go with all 4 tubes. Even one will be better than many people use.


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8669971 - 07/22/08 11:58 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Here is a pic of the top of the terrarium:


I think I am going to cover the top with micro pore tape, leaving a few 1 cm gaps so that some of the fan air can get in. I'm thinking that should still contain the majority of the humidity within the terrarium?

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8669984 - 07/23/08 12:02 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I was wondering how your jars are getting any gas exchange with the foil on them like that under the band.

With pftek, it's four holes with micropore tape on them after you inoculate, no foil, you put the foil on LAST before you put in pressure cooker, to keep any more moisture from entering/exiting...

for grains, you have other options, but you still only put foil on LAST over the outside to keep water from soaking everything,

each way the foil is discarded after removing and inoculating.

lolz. remove the foil, put micropore tape over holes, and watch it fly.

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: jeetered]
    #8669991 - 07/23/08 12:03 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

dont let that fan dry your cakes out, it should only come on for 2 minutes every hour, that would be sufficient air exchange.

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: jeetered]
    #8670033 - 07/23/08 12:15 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I was wondering how your jars are getting any gas exchange with the foil on them like that under the band.

With pftek, it's four holes with micropore tape on them after you inoculate, no foil, you put the foil on LAST before you put in pressure cooker, to keep any more moisture from entering/exiting...

for grains, you have other options, but you still only put foil on LAST over the outside to keep water from soaking everything,

each way the foil is discarded after removing and inoculating.

lolz. remove the foil, put micropore tape over holes, and watch it fly.




Funny that you mention this, after taking 1 test jar and removing the additional foil, I let it sit for a week, and no signs of contams. So just the other night I removed the additional foil from all jars and covered the inoculation points with micro pore tape :thumbup:

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8689891 - 07/27/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Weekly Update:

Another week has passed, and I actually have a few concerns. My first batch of jars that I knocked up with Alazabenzi spores has seemingly slowed down. There are small gaps where the mycelium isn't growing, and I'm seeing some extra moisture inside the jars that didn't use to be there. I can also see that the mycelium has really eaten away at the substrate, causing it to pull away from the jars. Take a look:


As you can see, the left part of the jar has pulled away and shrunk. Any suggestions?

The second batch of jars I knocked up with the Puerto Rican spores is doing well. Only 2 of the 6 jars I inoculated did anything, which is what I get from ordering from a non sponser...but the jars that started growing are doing great, take a look:


What do you think?

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nez]
    #8689946 - 07/27/08 08:20 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Nice stuff dude, I am currently doing b+ spores in a couple 1/2 pint jars its only been 3 days, so no signs of anything yet i left a good 1/2 inch or more of dry verm and took off the foil hopefully this will speed up the process, good grow man lookin foward to seeing them fruit!!


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: risndeath]
    #8690006 - 07/27/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Cool man. :thumbup:

They will shrink up there isn't anything you can do, and nothing wrong with it.


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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: MHbound]
    #8690036 - 07/27/08 08:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Ok cool, I'm very glad to see others see the pictures as still good news. Thanks for the encouragement so far guys... I guess I'll just have to be patient :stoned:

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: dstark]
    #8690045 - 07/27/08 08:54 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

micropore tape, my guess is that it's available by the band aids and what not.. is that a good guess? if not, where is it available?

my first attempt several years ago i used masking tape to cover the holes on the lids, never used polyphil and i was able to colonize a few but most of them stalled.. i personally use 1pint size and will continue to do so on my 2nd attempt within te next week..

this micropore tape sounds like it could be the missing link from my first attempt..

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Re: New Member, New Grower, First Attempt... [Re: nismo power]
    #8697183 - 07/29/08 12:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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micropore tape, my guess is that it's available by the band aids and what not.. is that a good guess? if not, where is it available?

my first attempt several years ago i used masking tape to cover the holes on the lids, never used polyphil and i was able to colonize a few but most of them stalled.. i personally use 1pint size and will continue to do so on my 2nd attempt within te next week..

this micropore tape sounds like it could be the missing link from my first attempt..




Correct, micropore is in the first aid section right next to the band-aids. I always find the Nexcare brand. It won't have "micropore" in huge letters, but if you closely examine the package, you'll see a little part that says "Hospital Name: 3M Micropore Tape." They will also probably have a "transpore" tape nearby too - it doesn't handle high heat well, so I'd avoid it.


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