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Spank? or No Spank?
#8600108 - 07/06/08 08:51 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you guys believe in spanking your kids/Future kids?
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Of course.
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Newbie]
#8600130 - 07/06/08 09:03 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah... I was spanked and am happy about it now. I see kids I grew up with who were babied and they never stopped being whiny little kids.
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I believe in spanking adults
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a judge told my brother "I'll tell you now, there's nothing wrong with beating your kids as long as it's within reason"
I spank my kids, family and childrens services visited me about it, I told them I spank my kids and I wont have any government agency instructing me that I cannot, after a second visit they dropped my case, kids may be getting spanked but they're not being abused
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8600161 - 07/06/08 09:12 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the imput guys. I have a 2 year old the size of a 5 year old and TIMEOUTS and SCOLDING only go so far. I have popped him on the butt (Not hard) a couple times and felt guilty. He definately responds to it.
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Asante
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Spanking is for pussies.
When my 6yo daughter does something wrong she knows she has it coming. I strip her naked, tie her legs together and then hoist her upside down in the backyard walnut tree. I taze her in the tummy and the punishment is exacted in seconds of zap, or until she gets the message. If the tazer battery depletes along the way I get my belt and finish off like that. But never with the buckle, thats just cruel.
That said: where do you people draw the line between an educational correction and child abuse?
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For me: Enough to illicit real tears, and fear, with reminding them what it was for and how it could be worse, then maybe a reminder later like "Remember when I slapped your ass for being stupid? huh?"
A sting perhaps?
Well I don't have kids, but that's what I'd probably do. It's also how I was raised- but I think the only way to be able to surely know is to raise one.
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I think it depends on the kid your raising. Obviously my best example comes from my parents as I don't have kids.
I was a defiant little bastard and got hit once in awhile. My brother was responsive to scoldings and felt bad about his behavior without needing to be hit, ever. so he wasn't.
There are proven ways to evoke desired behavior so I figure when I have kids I will go with that first and if they need to be hit once in awhile so be it.
As for the line b/t abuse and an aducational correction. I think an open hand slap with a valid reason = edu correc. anything else is abuse.
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When my 6yo daughter does something wrong she knows she has it coming. I strip her naked, tie her legs together and then hoist her upside down in the backyard walnut tree. I taze her in the tummy and the punishment is exacted in seconds of zap, or until she gets the message. If the tazer battery depletes along the way I get my belt and finish off like that. But never with the buckle, thats just cruel.
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That said: where do you people draw the line between an educational correction and child abuse?
Well, I can't speak for all 'us' people, but I draw the line when it leaves a mark.
I only spank my kids on the bottom and *before* I've lost my patience. I warn them and I try to put them in time-out first but, honestly, sometimes I don't want to spend 80% of my day doing warnings and time-outs as I'd quickly go insane and I've found that a swift spanking or the threat of one is just so much more effective in getting your children to behave.
The goal is to get them to think for themselves, remember the rules and follow them ...not to have them rely on you as their conscience. Where you'll be constantly directing their behavior and thinking for them.
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Asante]
#8600223 - 07/06/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think only the parents should have the right to punish their child, however they deem necessary, as long as it doesn't constitute abuse.
Educational establishments should have no such power.
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Asante]
#8600224 - 07/06/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: where do you people draw the line between an educational correction and child abuse?
at anger, I do not discipline my children when I'm angry, I dont do it to teach them a lesson, if they're not paying attention to what I'm telling them, that's when they get popped on the butt, it's rarely more than one. if they try to push it past that point, it becomes a waiting game, they can sit in their room and wait, there's no toys to play with, no TV or games, it's a boring wait, when they're ready to listen we can continue with discipline. I also do not scream at my kids, I'm a quiet guy, when I have to raise my voice they know I'm about to become much more serious with anything that follows.
spankings dont repair a broken window, that's when it's time to talk about why and how? why did it happen? how can we prevent it in the future? why is dad displeased? how can we keep him from having a coronary?
I always talk to them about consequences of action, why they're being punished and what led up to it, I try t teach them to look ahead of the immediate act and what the outcome may be
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I really think it depends on the kid. If he or she will stop inappropriate behavior and stop doing it in the future with a mere scolding, that's good enough.
If he or she isn't responsive to that, though, an open hand spanking is fine.
I'm not a big fan or people using weapons like belts, paddles, or wooden spoons, though. I don't think that is acceptable.
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Apollyphelion said: For me: Enough to illicit real tears, and fear,
you dont earn respect through fear, you earn resentment
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8600240 - 07/06/08 10:02 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Whoop that little bastard
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Cepheus]
#8600252 - 07/06/08 10:07 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cepheus said: I think only the parents should have the right to punish their child, however they deem necessary, as long as it doesn't constitute abuse.
Educational establishments should have no such power.
I remember when I was in school, kids were subject to corporal punishment, teachers didnt fear their students and students we're shooting their classmates over sneakers or who was more emo
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8600266 - 07/06/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't have children, and I honestly don't know if I could bring myself to spank one if I did, but I hope that I can. I would have been a little bastard if I hadn't been spanked. I would draw the line if I did it out of emotion and not the want for them to learn right from wrong.
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8600276 - 07/06/08 10:17 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe there is a difference between a spank, a slap or a backhand. . . You don't have to hurt your kid for them to get the message. Hitting your kids because you're mad is ridiculous! As an adult you should be able to compose yourself and not fight someone who can't fight back! Thus said there is nothing wrong with giving your kid a swat on the butt or hand when they know they've done something wrong. If your kid doesn't understand that what they are doing is wrong you need to make that clear BEFORE you punish them or else even a swat can be deemed abuse.
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spankings dont repair a broken window, that's when it's time to talk about why and how? why did it happen? how can we prevent it in the future? why is dad displeased? how can we keep him from having a coronary?
I always talk to them about consequences of action, why they're being punished and what led up to it, I try t teach them to look ahead of the immediate act and what the outcome may be
Funny and true.
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8600290 - 07/06/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: where do you people draw the line between an educational correction and child abuse?
at anger, I do not discipline my children when I'm angry, I dont do it to teach them a lesson, if they're not paying attention to what I'm telling them, that's when they get popped on the butt, it's rarely more than one. if they try to push it past that point, it becomes a waiting game, they can sit in their room and wait, there's no toys to play with, no TV or games, it's a boring wait, when they're ready to listen we can continue with discipline. I also do not scream at my kids, I'm a quiet guy, when I have to raise my voice they know I'm about to become much more serious with anything that follows.
spankings dont repair a broken window, that's when it's time to talk about why and how? why did it happen? how can we prevent it in the future? why is dad displeased? how can we keep him from having a coronary?
I always talk to them about consequences of action, why they're being punished and what led up to it, I try t teach them to look ahead of the immediate act and what the outcome may be
There is the answer.
Keep the kids' room free of anything that will provide them entertainment in the event of a timeout. I remember when I was growing up, I had a computer, tv, and books in my room and when my mom would send me to my room, it wasn't a punishment at all.
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8600300 - 07/06/08 10:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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You sound like an awesome father, DaddyPris:)
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I say if my kid doesn't learn after a handful of time its beating time. But I wouldn't use an object just due to childhood experiences
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Penguarky Tunguin said: There is the answer.
Keep the kids' room free of anything that will provide them entertainment in the event of a timeout.
the adverse is while they're young they associate it with punishment, trying to convince them it's bedtime becomes a new challenge
that's when you dose them heavily with paregoric and wait
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Apollyphelion said: You sound like an awesome father, DaddyPris:)
I'm a product of my upbringing, my father was a great dad as much as I can remember, he left for the federal pen when I was about 7 my step father was an abusive alcoholic SOB, I remember every detail of the 'lessons' what the bastard was teaching me. he showed me what not to do, my mom was fair but she was firm, she taught me the right things
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8600434 - 07/06/08 11:16 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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consistency.
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I was brutally spanked as a child, over everything. Wiggle too much in church? My dad would pull me out of the sermon into a quiet room and let me have it. Pee my bed as a child? Spank. Etc. My dad would use either a 2 x 4 piece of wood or a belt, and lash me to the point of welts.
My parents could have found a better way of educating me. Because I harbor resentment.
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When I have kids I will use spanking as a last resort.
I'm not gonna lie, I got spankings.
Some parents pop their kids for minor things... Like at my second job I see parents pop their kids all the time for like grabbing candy off the shelves or not doing something fast enough... or even simply asking for candy. I believe that is wrong. Simply saying "No." or "Don't do that." with authority should be ample in those situations. The parents I see doing this are losers anyway, they tell their kids they don't have money for a 10 cent tootsie pop or they don't need the candy... as they buy a $5 pack of cigarettes for themselves.
A lot of people brought up good points, it really depends on the kid. Some kids respond well to time-outs and scoldings, some need a little more. It must be hard to raise two different kids like that, as the one who gets spankings will definitely point out they're getting picked on since the other child doesn't get spanked.
I just want to instill good moral values and respect into my children, and contribute something positive to the future.
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8600619 - 07/06/08 12:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: where do you people draw the line between an educational correction and child abuse?
at anger, I do not discipline my children when I'm angry, I dont do it to teach them a lesson, if they're not paying attention to what I'm telling them, that's when they get popped on the butt, it's rarely more than one. if they try to push it past that point, it becomes a waiting game, they can sit in their room and wait, there's no toys to play with, no TV or games, it's a boring wait, when they're ready to listen we can continue with discipline. I also do not scream at my kids, I'm a quiet guy, when I have to raise my voice they know I'm about to become much more serious with anything that follows.
spankings dont repair a broken window, that's when it's time to talk about why and how? why did it happen? how can we prevent it in the future? why is dad displeased? how can we keep him from having a coronary?
I always talk to them about consequences of action, why they're being punished and what led up to it, I try t teach them to look ahead of the immediate act and what the outcome may be
Nice post. This is my attitude exactly.
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: MOTH]
#8600707 - 07/06/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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MOTH said: My dad would use either a 2 x 4 piece of wood or a belt, and lash me to the point of welts.
My step fathers favorite expression before he started was I'll wear this belt out on your ass, one day it took about 20 minutes but he had 2 halves of a belt in his hand, god forbid we get a hot wheels track for christmas and not show some excitement.
back then child abuse wasnt an issue talked about, DUIs were no more than a finger shake, he had 8 before he was sentenced to a weekend in jail and a 90 loss of his license.
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As a child, I got the switch.My older bother got it point of blood one time. Because, he skip school for a week..
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Re: Spank? or No Spank? [Re: Brainiac]
#8600742 - 07/06/08 01:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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my stepfather used to whip the shit out of us, "bare but" spankings were a daily thing, dont get me wrong, we were very undisciplined kids until he came into the picture, my older brother the worst, & he used to get the shit beat out of him, there was a week of his life that he was chained to the radiator in the living room, until one day being unlocked to go to the bathroom he escaped, he didnt come back until my mother divorced the guy 2 yrs later, but still we were some fucked up kids, we deserved the what we got to a degree, it was really the only way of teaching us, because we were already a bunch of assholes before he came along, dont get me wrong, I dont hit my kid, but Ive disciplined him in other ways & now hes the best kid ever, but some kids NEED to be spanked
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