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OfflineAlbino_Jesus
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Re: Student charged with trying to sell vote on eBay [Re: johnm214]
    #8789733 - 08/18/08 06:37 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Well I think at this point our disagreement is that you don't believe "selling your vote to the highest bidder" is an apt metaphor for what goes on in washington.


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Re: Student charged with trying to sell vote on eBay [Re: Coaster]
    #8791141 - 08/18/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Coaster said:
the vote was never actually bought i dont c a crime




the crime is the attempt to sell.  It's like attempted murder or solicitation for prostitution.  You only have to make the attempt.  Don't have to do the deed.

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Re: Student charged with trying to sell vote on eBay [Re: silly_sigh_ben]
    #8791182 - 08/18/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

They still haven't proved intent though.


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Re: Student charged with trying to sell vote on eBay [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #8791256 - 08/18/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Albino_Jesus said:
They still haven't proved intent though.



I wonder if the following could be be used to prove the defendant intended to sell his vote:

  • The defendant offered his vote for sale to the highest bidder on the auction site ebay with no disclaimer or warnings to bidders that the auction was in fact, a joke or prank.


Minnesota statute the defendant is accused of violating:
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211B.13 BRIBERY, TREATING, AND SOLICITATION.
    Subdivision 1. Bribery, advancing money, and treating prohibited. A person who
willfully, directly or indirectly, advances, pays, gives, promises, or lends any money, food, liquor,
clothing, entertainment, or other thing of monetary value, or who offers, promises, or endeavors
to obtain any money, position, appointment, employment, or other valuable consideration, to or
for a person, in order to induce a voter to refrain from voting, or to vote in a particular way, at
an election, is guilty of a felony. This section does not prevent a candidate from stating publicly
preference for or support of another candidate to be voted for at the same primary or election.
Refreshments of food or nonalcoholic beverages having a value up to $5 consumed on the
premises at a private gathering or public meeting are not prohibited under this section.




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Re: Student charged with trying to sell vote on eBay [Re: Chemy]
    #8791265 - 08/18/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

But we don't know if there was any disclaimer because the page was removed.


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Re: Student charged with trying to sell vote on eBay [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #8791448 - 08/18/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

We don't know, but the prosecutor does and if there is a trial then it will be in evidence.  The bet here is that this just goes away.  Unless there is an overwhelming number of thread necromancers resurrecting a pointless argument.


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Re: Student charged with trying to sell vote on eBay [Re: Redstorm]
    #8792048 - 08/18/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

What if you just offered to listen to someone's viewpoint on who to vote for, but only over a $100 meal which the buyer lobbyist pays for.


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Re: Student charged with trying to sell vote on eBay [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #8792231 - 08/18/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

100% permissible.


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