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Entropymancer


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A very short survey about Yopo/Cebil. Input is greatly valued.
#8590070 - 07/03/08 12:32 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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This poll is for people who have tried snuffing ( ) the seeds of Anadenanthera peregina or colubrina, more commonly known as yopo (peregrina) or cebil (colubrina). (There will be no STAL option)
While smoking the seeds is an interesting topic in itself, this poll is exclusively for reporting the effects of snorting the stuff. I've come across some curious and conflicting reports in this matter... I've made some preliminary remarks about it elsewhere, but don't want to say any more right now for fear of skewing the results of the poll. (Rest assured, I'm not hoarding secrets, I'll elaborate once some results come in on the poll).
So come one, come all, if you've tried an anadenanthera snuff, please answer the following three questions... I'm hoping you all might reassure me that I haven't found yet another strange convolution, as the history these snuffs is already wrought with plenty. (And again I apologize for the temporarily mysterious air of the post)
If you answer, please answer all three questions
Edited by Entropymancer (07/03/08 01:18 AM)
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Re: A poll about yopo/cebil/vilca/cohoba [Re: Entropymancer]
#8590121 - 07/03/08 12:57 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i made a tech a while bak strong stuff
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Entropymancer


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Re: A poll about yopo/cebil/vilca/cohoba [Re: Coaster]
#8590140 - 07/03/08 01:06 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah... visually very interesting compared to other psychedelics. Not nearly as geometric... more wavy like tentacles of color. At least for me. Definitely not something that's gonna catch on recreationally, but interesting, and I think there's a capacity for depth in the experience beyond what my two active trials might have indicated. Probably something I'll experiment with again.
It's been a few years since I had my bouts with the seeds, but they've been catching in the back of my head lately. That led to a rather curious observation in my review of the literature, which sparked this poll.
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Entropymancer


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Re: A poll about yopo/cebil/vilca/cohoba [Re: Entropymancer]
#8591067 - 07/03/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Only three other people have tried yopo? (besides one who helpfully ignored the critical part of the survey)
Well, anyone who's tried it, keep responding to the survey. But here's the realization that led me to make it:
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Well now, I was reviewing the Pharmanopo-Psychonautics article, and found something extremely interesting:
While Jonathan Ott's bioassays are surely conclusive in extablishing 5-HO-DMT as a psychoptic tryptamine, his results DO NOT yet definitively show that insufflation of pure bufotenine adequately models the psychoactivity of the snuff! I don't know why it didn't set off an alarm when I first read the article.
Check out the timeline that his intranasal experiences:
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The following pharmacodynamics are characteristic at 40 mg (0.57 mg/kg): first sign of activity, acouasm (tinnitus) at five minutes; clear tryptaminic body effects at 25 minutes; peak between 35 and 40 minutes; unmistakable diminution by 50 minutes; and evanescent after effects up to 90 minutes.
Five minutes to first effect, peaking at the 35 minute mark for a 15 minute plateau, and about 40 minutes of deminishing afterglow (to put it in plainer English).
Now, when I tried the snuff, it build two a wavy colorful visual peak very quickly, within a couple minutes, and he first body alert came within moments of polishing off the line (I used baking soda to make the snuff alkaline).
So there's a huge difference: two minutes to the peak with the whole snuff, compared to over half an hour to peak insufflating bufotenine freebase. That's enormous!
So I checked out erowid's experience vaults and found the same thing. (Experience 1, Experience 2, Experience 3, Experience 4, Experience 5) And all three people who filled out this whole survey used an alkaline snuff, and experienced the rapid-peaking effects. Even such quotes as I can find from early explorers observing native ceremonies seems to indicate that the expereience came on rapidly.
So what's gonig on here? I don't know yet. But it looks like the book is still open on establishing bufotenine as the only active principle reponsible for the seeds' effects. All the phytochemical evidence points toward this; the quanitities of 5-MeO-DMT that are typically isolated compared to bufotenine are quite low. Further, since most people roast the seeds before snuffing, this ought to destroy/vaporize most of the DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, leaving primarily bufotenine. So when Ott's article came out, clearly demonstrating bufotenine to be a visionary chemical, I thought that settled the issue.
Now it appears the rabbit-hole goes deeper.
Edited by Entropymancer (07/03/08 02:24 PM)
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