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Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users
    #8588711 - 07/02/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Skunk cannabis users are 18 times more likely to develop psychosis than those who smoke milder forms of the drug, doctors have warned.

Skunk can be ten times stronger than other types of the drug and has become the most common variety in recent years.

Researchers from the Institute of Psychiatry in London compared data on almost 200 cannabis users.

More than half were being treated for psychosis, in which hallucinations and delusions leave sufferers unable to tell between real and imagined.

Skunk was the drug of choice for psychosis sufferers, with users 18 times more likely to develop the condition.

Milder forms of cannabis were more popular with those without mental health problems.

Those with psychosis were also twice as likely to have used cannabis for longer and three times more likely to have used it every day, the Royal College of Psychiatrists' annual conference heard yesterday.

Researcher Marta Di Forti compared the dangers of skunk to alcohol, saying: 'It's like when you look at a bottle of vodka and a bottle of wine, the difference between the two  - apart from the taste - is the percentage of alcohol in them.

'One is much stronger or potent than the other and it's exactly the same with cannabis.'

Urging psychiatrists to question their patients more carefully about their drug habits, Dr Di Forti said: 'It would be naive to say that smoking a joint is safe.'

The mental health charity Sane said the study may provide an insight into why 'such a significant proportion' of people with serious mental illness have used cannabis.

Spokesman Richard Colwill said: 'Sane has been campaigning for years that cannabis, particularly in its stronger form of skunk, can be dangerous for the significant minority of people vulnerable to mental illness.

'We have daily evidence that it can trigger frightening psychotic episodes, relapse, and in some cases a lifelong mental condition such as schizophrenia.

'It can also rob developing young minds of their potential and wreck their families' and their own futures.'

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith announced in April that cannabis will be restored to class B status from early next year.

Cannabis was downgraded to class C in 2004, but the widespread use of skunk has prompted a backlash.

Miss Smith said the move would protect the 'future health' of a generation of vulnerable youngsters.

Skunk has been linked to a string of vicious killings. Father-of-three Garry Newlove was murdered by three teenagers high on skunk and beer in Warrington, Cheshire.

And Terry Wilson was stabbed to death in his sleep in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, by his son Daniel, 28, during a skunk-induced delusion.


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8588726 - 07/02/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

lol, the News is pathetic.


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: aDoS]
    #8588742 - 07/02/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

sorry

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8588765 - 07/02/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I have been telling people on these boards for years that the psychiatric community and its endorsement of pharmaceutical companies are at the forefront of the "war on drugs".

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8588980 - 07/02/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Every time you smoke cannabis god kills a kitten. They call it skunk because of how he kills them.


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8589033 - 07/02/08 08:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Skunk is a narc term

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8589078 - 07/02/08 08:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Hasn't this 'pot causes pychosis' myth already been debunked?

Marijuana Does Not Cause Psychosis, Lung Damage, or Skin Cancer
I've performed a meta-analysis of various scare stories about marijuana appearing in major papers this week. The results of my research are as follows:

Hypothesis:

Alarmist reports about marijuana will turn out to be wildly exaggerated and in some cases completely fictitious. Obvious inconsistencies will be overlooked by the press and widely available contrary evidence will be ignored.

Methodology:

I read various stories about marijuana and used basic logic and reasoning to determine whether their conclusions made any sense. In some cases, I used Google and other sources to search for other information that contradicted seemingly dubious claims.

Findings:

Marijuana Increases the Risk of Psychosis by 40%: This one turned out to be totally wrong. Apparently a correlation between marijuana use and psychosis doesn't necessarily mean that marijuana caused the psychosis. Many of the researchers made this clear in their findings, but reporters left it out. Furthermore, none of the stories on this topic explained that the risk of psychosis is small, so a 40% increase isn't that significant to begin with. Reporters also failed to observe that massive increases in marijuana use over the past century have not corresponded with increased rates of psychosis.

Smoking a Joint is as Bad For Your Lungs as 5 Cigarettes: This report also turned out to be almost entirely bogus. Shockingly, "air flow" was the only category (of several) in which marijuana was determined to be more harmful. Researchers stated that marijuana was 2.5 to 5 times more harmful than tobacco in this category, which reporters simply rounded up to 5 for the headline (behold the lofty journalistic standards of Reuters). Reporters also failed to mention conclusive research proving that marijuana does not cause lung cancer; a notable omission since "bad for your lungs" likely implies cancer for many readers. Finally, media reports failed to explain that marijuana users consume far less per day, and do not continue using for nearly as many years as tobacco smokers.

Marijuana May Cause Skin Cancer: I don't know anything about skin cancer, so I won't attempt to refute the findings of this Harvard study. The manner in which it was reported, however, leaves much to be desired. The FOX News headline reads "Study: Marijuana Use May Cause Skin Cancer." Only upon reading the article does the reader discover that only one extremely rare form of skin cancer has been associated with marijuana, and that the researchers claim that more research is needed. Furthermore, only people with weakened immune systems are even susceptible to this infection. A more appropriate headline would have been "Study: Marijuana May Cause Skin Cancer Under Very Rare Circumstances."

Conclusions:

Reading coverage of marijuana research in the mainstream press increases the risk of becoming misinformed by 50-300%. More research is clearly needed to identify further sources of flawed marijuana reporting. The risk of bad reporting remains stable despite concerted efforts to inform the media that hysterical claims about marijuana frequently lack scientific merit. Exposure to poorly researched news about marijuana is correlated with support for costly, ineffective, highly punitive marijuana laws.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: veggie]
    #8589219 - 07/02/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

They never mentioned that super shit High Times was always praising, called mlwali gold (fucked if i spelled it right...don't care).  supposedly was the most potent grown, and grown there due to where mlwali is in relation to the equator is and sun pattern.  Skunk is stronger than this???

I mean I respect any study and all, but IT'S WEED!.  I have had skunk, but IT'S STILL WEED!  Fuck.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Stedanko]
    #8589246 - 07/02/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

if skunk is 18 times more likely to cause psychosis, than hash must instantly make you schitzo.


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: SleepyF0x]
    #8589368 - 07/02/08 09:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i think theyre refering to any kind of seedless dank...the good stuff!  stupid assholes cant even get theyre terms right let alone the study.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: SleepyF0x]
    #8589403 - 07/02/08 09:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yeah and if it's "black" hash, it turns you into a lizard!

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: extrememetal43]
    #8589412 - 07/02/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, lol.
Sounds like my psych teacher.

She is one of those anti-drug preachers..
Told the class that MDMA creates fatal bleeds in peoples brain.
She also preached about the dangers of marijuana, and when someone brought up a good point she would just say - "We don't have enough research on that matter."

I personally did quit smoking weed because it made me super paranoid, and have a panic attack.. But I doubt weed making someone kill another person. The vast majority of stoners just smoke a blunt and eat some taco bell. Seems rather harmless.


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #8589432 - 07/02/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

on the contrary, a lot of mental health professionals would only be concerned if your cannabis use was really excessive, or if it was causing you problems.

Most of them will not even mind, and say that if it helps you it helps you.

if they care about anything its use of hard drugs, especially in excess, as that is a health concern.


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8589437 - 07/02/08 09:51 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

other cannibis?


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: scout24]
    #8589497 - 07/02/08 10:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

this explains soooooo much....:crazy2:

here i thought it was everything else i was doing...


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Jack yo Self foo]
    #8589522 - 07/02/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

gotta watch out guys!! that "skunk" is no joke!! that shit killed my friend!! god that report sounds like a excerpt from "Reefer Madness" fucking morons in this country still beleive the government!

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8589658 - 07/02/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:
so the soft cocks with budgie lungs that cant handle the cough or red eye and all the goodness those symptoms bring are sane and we hardcore smokers of the better stronger indoor variety are insane

no wonder i like better weed,im crazy thats why,quality had nothing to do with it after all:lol:


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8589771 - 07/02/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

LOL "SKUNK"!

IDIOT MEDIA AND "SKUNK" WEED LOLZZZZ

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8589922 - 07/02/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i wish i could punch who ever wrote that report.  fucken dumbass


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Groomies]
    #8589983 - 07/03/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It wouldn't surprise me if they had put some type of drug that attacks the nervous sytem in the weed to make it have the affect.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Leanin]
    #8590047 - 07/03/08 12:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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LOL "SKUNK"!

IDIOT MEDIA AND "SKUNK" WEED LOLZZZZ



lol yeah the british media seems to have really latched on to the term skunk and is using it to refer to any good weed.

i wonder if they know that what they are doing is akin to referring to all sports cars as corvettes.


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: doitagain]
    #8590099 - 07/03/08 12:46 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm going to find that study they refrence.  I absolutly refuse to believe the researchers were so fucking stupid as to label marijuana "skunk" and that bullshit, and doubt they drew all these conclusions, but we'll see.

Usually its the coverage, not the actual research, that is shitty.  I really wonder where they get the science news writers from.  They seriously fuck up every single story and never provide citations, which is a major pain in the ass when youre trying to track down the bullshit they simply invented and find what, if any, was actually determined by the study they rely on.



And this skunk shit is fucking insane.  When did this start?  Who decided that "skunk" was all of a sudden a different drug or a different form of a drug or something?  What the fuck?

Did some british idiot find an old 90's high times laying around, read that "skunk" won the cannabis cup in like 93 and said OMG this must be what the kids are up to!!!!


I'm seriously perplexed.  What the fuck is skunk?  Cuz I thought it was just one of a bazillion variants of cannabis- strains/subspecies/commercial hype whatever.  Its all still marijuana, skunk is marijuana, as is ditch weed.  Its got the same shit in it.  What research paper has ever been able to define "skunk" or whatever?  I've yet to see a workable definition, and it seems to be just some bullshit term they use to refer to well-grown weed.  Is it ok then to smoke Northern Lights, or Purple Haze, or whatever other strain in the UK then?  Just don't make it skunk?  This is seriously laughable...

I really want to know where this lexicon came from.  Its about as bad as the cops in americ deciding that marijuana is a narcotic, and sending the "narcotic task force" out to bust pot heads/dealers.  They just make up their own definition of well-understood words and use it to cause a moral panick.  I guess we can't do excorcisms in this day in age, nor drown witches, so we better highjack a random strain of cannabis, apply that strain to every piece of pot found on the whole island, and start making up bullshit about it so the middle aged folks don't think its the same drug they used for years... fucking bullshit.  They've actually convinced old stoners, probably, that marijuana isn't marijuana anymore.


The marijuana strength numbers are such bullshit its not even funny, and the fact that they consistantly seem to presume the stronger marijuana leeds to stronger intoxication is just pitiful.


I don't drink the same quantity of vodka as I do beer geniuses.


We used to get bomb shit in high school and smoke two hits and quit.  What the fuck are these people going on about?

Seriously, I hate to say it, but for all the insane drug war propaganda america puts out, I've never seen anything even close to the level of ridiculousness that  this "skunk" hype has ascended to in the UK.

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'It can also rob developing young minds of their potential and wreck their families' and their own futures.'




Give me a fucking break.

And it is ALWAYS the dailymail.  What is wrong with that newspaper?  Is it the only one in the whole country or what?  And when did they go insane and decide that every fucking decent piece of canabis was skunk?


I'm seriously intrigued as to how this convention got started?  Where the fuck did they get this "skunk" bullshit from?

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8590362 - 07/03/08 03:20 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Translation:

Yeah, we know you smoked when you were younger and it didn't fuck you up, but what your kids are smoking today is nothing like what you smoked.  Your kids are smoking skunk, not weed like you smoked.  Skunk is twenty-billion-zillion-gillion-gazillion times stronger than what you smoked, thus it is very bad and will likely kill somebody just for questioning how big twenty-billion-zillion-gillion-gazillion really is.  Don't be fooled into thinking this stuff is harmless like the weed you smoked.  We know better.  Science wouldn't lie like Al Gore.  Besides, when something is twenty-billion-zillion-gillion-gazillion times stronger, it doesn't matter if we are lying or not, it is dangerous.  Save teh Children!


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8590373 - 07/03/08 03:24 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Spokesman Richard Colwill said: 'Sane has been campaigning for years that cannabis, particularly in its stronger form of skunk, can be dangerous for the significant minority of people vulnerable to mental illness.





Legalize and control it, the same happened in prohibition, people drank very strong and potentially harmful concoctions as the weaker drinks take up more room. Prohibition ended, problem solved.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: DrOli]
    #8590469 - 07/03/08 04:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Spokesman Richard Colwill said: 'Sane has been campaigning for years that cannabis, particularly in its stronger form of skunk, can be dangerous for the significant minority of people vulnerable to mental illness.







Legalize and control it, the same happened in prohibition, people drank very strong and potentially harmful concoctions as the weaker drinks take up more room. Prohibition ended, problem solved.




i dont like the way you make it sound,legalize it with no control on quality or the type we want and stop listening to losers who blame weed for lifes troubles and make law enforcment focus on real crime


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8590598 - 07/03/08 05:44 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like lack of parenting, where are the parents...Mine knew what dope smelled like! did they not know this was going on?

Sounds like lack of accountability for ones actions.  The weed made him do it, i say bullshit.  No one wants to be responsible for themselves. 

Sounds like lack of social interaction...those sect folks are SCAREY lookin.  All kinda look the same...like they had the same great grand-pappy

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8590607 - 07/03/08 05:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yes its stronger.

Hence we smoke less at once - go figure...  ffs

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: NZSWS]
    #8590653 - 07/03/08 06:28 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

whatever harmful side-effects of marijuana are found should be compared to those of alcohol and tobacco, the most damaging  drugs in our society. I think that any reasonable person would agree that pot is not really a concern when put in perspective. This shit enrages me. We need a motherfucking REVOLUTION! Fuck of the current government and media propaganda pigshit! Whos with me!?

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: NZSWS]
    #8590660 - 07/03/08 06:35 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I really want to know where this lexicon came from.





thought id answer this question after seeing it so many times on these boards. growing up in the UK all there was to smoke was soap bar  ( gangsters imported morocan hash, processed it, watered it down with all sorts of unsavioury shite plastic, diesel ect and produced a low grade 'hash' if you could even call it that), until i saw my first bag off crap weed I thought marijuana was this brown shit, the hit you got off it was a chemical one cause the thc content was sooo low, imported grass was very rare, anyway it seems in the last ten or so years the grow revolution has started that means there is lots of decent bud going about, cause alll these politicians and scientists were exposed too soap bar when they were young they think bud is a different drug when in reality its what the rest off the world has been smoking for the past 100 years. hence the 'its so much stronger bullshit', its actually just authentic stuff,and so much less damaging than soap bar cause of all the crap that was added during processing,. so any grass, even crap stuff is being labelled 'skunk' by the propoganda machine

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And it is ALWAYS the dailymail.  What is wrong with that newspaper?




ahh the dailymail, owned by rupert murdoch and is essentially a right wing propoganda machine

hope that answers your question johnm214

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: SleepyF0x]
    #8590833 - 07/03/08 08:25 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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if skunk is 18 times more likely to cause psychosis, than hash must instantly make you schitzo.




I don't even want to know what hash oil does then! Seriously though all this shows is that crazy people smoke herb to. I have known plenty of bat shit crazy people who burn. They were nuts to begin with though. I even knew a guy who was REALLY crazy and he didn't get that bad until after he went straight edge. With that being said though;

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8590861 - 07/03/08 08:40 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

man ive seen plenty of bums and shit in my neighborhood that down wine like no ones buissness and get fuckin sloppy, passin out in parks n shit. and same thing with schwag, i know tons of ppl who will smoke 5-10 blunts of stress weed every day compared to a few bowls with the headie smokers.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8590897 - 07/03/08 09:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

What a load of bullshit

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8590981 - 07/03/08 09:41 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

WTF. So are these alleged users actually using the term "skunk" - referring to some kind of super-strain that doesn't exist? This entire report has to be fabricated.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Ophanim]
    #8591013 - 07/03/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

HA. It's reported a lot stronger? That's bullshit because I know that Kush was around in the 60's and Kush, Panama Red, Thai Stick is just as potent indica as most strains today including skunk.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #8591016 - 07/03/08 10:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Im so very sick and tired of the british media referring to  high quality cannabis as 'skunk', its far more annoying than my brother always calling beasters 'the chronic'. isn't it time they at least threw a few more words in, like: 'super skunk haze' or 'silver hawaiian skunk'. Or they could just start applying the term to other strain names to spice it up a little. i wouldn't mind reading about how 'Matanuska ThunderSkunk' turned your daddy gay, killed 4 young school children in ritualistic fashion, then ran over an old lady in the park...may make for an interesting read.


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: BrnDubies]
    #8591278 - 07/03/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I don't care what kind of weed you smoke they only thing people "develop" is temporary paranoia and maybe depression.
Psychosis , things like bi-polar,& schizophrenia aren't developmental conditions they are genetic and have nothing to do with what kind of pot or how much you smoke! There is a possibility that if you have these pre-existing conditions the side effects of said condition maybe more apparent in religious smokers but if you know you have that sort of mental issues in your family you are choosing to risk that aren't you? Woman who smoke or drink while pregnant know it could hurt the life they are carrying inside of them and yet some make that conscious choice to do it anyway.  :babyface: Why blame the pot when its your choice?





"Skunk" psh!


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8593982 - 07/04/08 03:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ok well apparently this whole fucking thing is just some remarks at a conference wtf?

Apparently the study isn't even out, best I can tell, and this is just some bullshit artist promoting his results ahead of time.  So I can't really figure out all the bullshit in this article.

This article is quite sensational, so I'm pretty interested if I could figure this out.



Ok well I think I have.

The most alarming fact:
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Skunk cannabis users are 18 times more likely to develop psychosis than those who smoke milder forms of the drug, doctors have warned.




and

Quote:


Those with psychosis were also twice as likely to have used cannabis for longer and three times more likely to have used it every day, the Royal College of Psychiatrists' annual conference heard yesterday.




The second quote should clue you into the bullshit.


This whole thing is likely a retrospective analysis of self-reported behavior.

Therefore they cannot establish, and didn't even try to prove, causality.


All this means is that people who used cannabis were interviewed, and the crazier people were more likely to use cannabis.  OK, so what?  Crazy people are more likely to drink too, cray people need  escape and often don't care about social norms.


This article is the hype of bad science reporting.  Presenting corelation as causality.  The first fukcing paragraph says cannabis smokers are more likely to develop psychosis, WRONG!

The study didn't look for this evidence.  To the contrary, the study looked at people and marked who was fucking crazy and who wasn't.  They didn't even look at a good population of the general public, they looked at crazy people, mostly! 

And guess what, they found that crazy people are more likely then the average person to smoke pot.  So fucking what?  This doesn't prove that pot causes craziness or that craziness causes pot smoking, or that the two have anything to do with each other.


Articles like this REALLY piss me off.  Every fucking highschooler should no the difference between correlation and causality and understand the third variable problem of statistics.  What the fuck?  I am ashamed that the news is printing this garbage.


And to the guy that explained the skunk weed bullshit, thanks!


I looked for coroberation and found some in the press covering the presentation of the results of this study!


Apparently skunk is actually just a name the fucking idiotic british media uses to refer to marijuana- like you said!  WTF?  marijuana and cannabis is a plant.  Hash is not marijuana or cannabis, it is a product of it.  That's like saying nylon is oil, or aspirin is tree bark.  They are products of something, not the product itself.


I can't believe the brits are trying to make buds out to be a new drug.  Just cu people on your shitty island didn't get marijuana and got shitty hash means nothing.  So now people don't smoke as much, the horror!



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The potency of cannabis has increased over the past 10 years, with more concentrated forms now on sale. In 1995, skunk had 6% THC (Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) - the chemical which is held responsible for the psychotic symptoms. Now, according to a recent study, skunk contains 16-18% THC and it contains little or no CBD (cannabidiol), a molecule that appears to counteract the damaging effects of THC. Hash, on the other hand, has much less THC and an almost equal amount of CBD.







Did everyone know this?  I really had no idea what the fuck the british media was refering to when they talked about skunk.  I would never have guessed they were talking about marijuana as opposed to hash.


What fucking bullshit!  Marijuana is the name for the preperation of the cannabis plant that is largely the flowering tops and is smoked, not skunk.  How the fuck did they decide that marijuana is differnet than skunk?  WTF?

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8594049 - 07/04/08 04:35 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

We need to keep in mind that the media is just as ridiculously misinformative about other subjects too.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8594509 - 07/04/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Isn't "skunk" just a description of the weed's rough smell, and not a variety at all? Anyways, the article is the usual stupid lameness we've come to expect.


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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: N2loma]
    #8595838 - 07/04/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

if by psychosis they mean dumb kids getting more paranoid and scared then yeah its true because they have higher levels of thc but thats all it is. its all in their heads

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: TheWallpf]
    #8596288 - 07/04/08 11:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

reading the posts about this article I'm more confused about what skunk is. I thought it was strains of weed which had been cross-bred to be genetically more potent and grown under lights, again to maximize potency. Is that right?

Could you have a strain of weed which is as strong or stronger than skunk but isn't skunk?

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: NZSWS]
    #8596307 - 07/04/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes its stronger.

Hence we smoke less at once - go figure...  ffs



that's a bit naive. To compare with alcohol, countries where hard liquor is the drink of choice (eg. Russia) have much higher rates of alcoholism. And when the government tries to change habits through increasing tax on spirits and reducing it on beer, people who switch tend to end up drinking less alcohol overall. I'd expect to see the same thing with weed. People who smoke skunk would tend to consume more THC overall.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: roquet]
    #8596458 - 07/05/08 01:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Could you have a strain of weed which is as strong or stronger than skunk but isn't skunk?




Yes 'Sour Diesel' for example.

Plus there are several different kinds of Skunk and dozens of strains that are half Skunk and half something else.

That article is ridiculous, there are also many different kinds of hash and the THC content would depend on what the hash was made from.

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Re: Why 'skunk' smokers are 18 TIMES more likely to become psychotic than other cannabis users [Re: roquet]
    #8597879 - 07/05/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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roquet said:
reading the posts about this article I'm more confused about what skunk is. I thought it was strains of weed which had been cross-bred to be genetically more potent and grown under lights, again to maximize potency. Is that right?

Could you have a strain of weed which is as strong or stronger than skunk but isn't skunk?




when the govt says skunk theyre talking about high grade chronic, not the actual strain because there are alot of high thc content strains out there that arent skunk:stoned:

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