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booya
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 Is A. Muscaria worth it? 
#8584565 - 07/01/08 03:55 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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So, Ive read up on amanita muscaria, and I dont know whether to stay away from it completely or to take it as a blessing in disguise. After looking it up on Wikipedia, Ive deduced that it IS toxic and can cause discomfort, and that 15 caps is considered a lethal dose, but there are apparently only 2 deaths in North America that have been recorded (treatment is available). Im almost POSITIVE a few have come up in my yard this past week; Ive looked into other amanitas and decided they cant be anything other than muscaria (unless there is a near perfect look-alike), which is why Im skeptical about them.
Apparently these arent used recreationally, which makes me wonder why they have such a history? Is this something worth pursuing, or should I just make a mental note to leave amanita muscaria where they are when I come across them in my travels? Thanks!
P.S. Ill post some pictures of what I believe to be A. muscaria in the ID section when I get home tonight.
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MHbound
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: magicking]
#8584590 - 07/01/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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IMO, everytime you mess with them unless you find them, and prep them yourself you are playing with your life. I've read about too many poisonings from them. The trip is not fun they put you into a coma for a few hours then you trip...On top of that you get violently sick sometimes with projectile vomiting. So is it worth it?? No.
However, some people love the trip. So who am I to say you won't like it. Just know your source, and be careful.
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booya
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: MHbound]
#8584654 - 07/01/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is vomiting a SURE THING though? Because that's one of the worst feelings (IMO) you can have...unless I'm beyond drunk. I'm totally down for the experience, I'm not looking to trip balls or find myself or anything...but, they're there, and I'm here, and there isn't much stopping me from eating them...
Does anybody know a/the good way to prepare these to be eaten? I've read the recipe on Shroomery and just was wondering if there are other ways it is prepared.
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 deCypher
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: magicking]
#8584785 - 07/01/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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For what it's worth, the only time I've taken Amanita Muscaria I took a full dried ounce from a popular online vendor and had a good time. Nothing earth-shattering, but plenty weird all the same.
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MHbound
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: deCypher]
#8584847 - 07/01/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Take some pepto or something, but I give you a 95 percent chance that you will get sick, and likely throw up. It seems more people get upset stomach, and don't throw up but thats more miserable to me than going ahead and throwing up. I've done them a few times actually and the 2nd and 3rd times i made myself throw up. It can be really nauseating. Although I have heard of people not getting sick at all. There are extracts available that would reduce nausea, but I really doubt how pure those extracts are. Once you get past the hour or so of nausea it can be a fun little experience. You won't want to go out. I found it fun to do them in my room, and watch movies and stuff like that.
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booya
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: MHbound]
#8584923 - 07/01/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well the squirrels or something got to them, little buggers! But it rained pretty good today and it's been humid throughout...I've already found a couple more coming up that haven't turned red yet, so I will give them some time. Within a 15-square-foot area I found three different amanitas! Not to mention about four other kinds. I really need to buy/find one of my old books on mycology...
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MHbound
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: magicking]
#8585018 - 07/01/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Be sure they are the right ones...Some in the Amanita family are deadly...As you probably know. There is a proper way to prepare the Musc. so be sure to read up on that before you do it. I don't know much about it I have always bought them. Something about heats turns the ibotanic(SP??) acid into muscimol or the other way around I don't know. Just be safe.
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RasJeph
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: magicking]
#8585021 - 07/01/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
magicking said:
Well the squirrels or something got to them, little buggers! But it rained pretty good today and it's been humid throughout...I've already found a couple more coming up that haven't turned red yet, so I will give them some time. Within a 15-square-foot area I found three different amanitas! Not to mention about four other kinds. I really need to buy/find one of my old books on mycology...
Be careful. Death caps look a lot like amentias sometimes...
And yeah, the squirrels will get to them. Its always pretty funny if you watch them!
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Humbled
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? *DELETED* [Re: RasJeph]
#8585038 - 07/01/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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thedudenj
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: Humbled]
#8585056 - 07/01/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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sigh just do a shroomery search i reply to too many of these in the past
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: thedudenj]
#8585171 - 07/01/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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It felt more like I was poisoned than tripping. I vomitted everywhere, multiple times. I also got completely trapped in my brain, like where I became a though and it was really scary. I kept thinking I was dead. For most of the trip I couldn't do much more than lay. However, I remember walking around AS my friend offering people hits off his pipe. It was interesting as hell, but I have no desire to ever look at those mushrooms again.
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: abore]
#8585213 - 07/01/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I cut them up, removed everything except the red/yellow skin and the little beads, cooked them in a 100degree C oven for about 30 minutes or so, or until they were 'cracker dry', then crushed it all up and drank it with water. Didn't die, very consciousness-expanding.
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Phish_Dude
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: burgatory]
#8586426 - 07/02/08 12:05 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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just dont eat em until they are totally dry! the chemicals that make you sick are lost when they dry.
peace
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Djoum
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: Phish_Dude]
#8586514 - 07/02/08 12:57 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with Phish_dude. I have eaten these 10-12 times and have usually had a good time.
My preferred method of ingestion is to chew on a single cap and stalk from the one dried, medium-large sized mushroom (cap approx. 12cm diameter fresh).
They have a heavy body load, but if you do vomit, you should feel better immediately. I do not see vomiting as a bad thing for amanitas, and trying to avoid vomiting on them is hard and painful. Cannabis usually helps with the nausea.
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Ice House Shaman
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: Djoum]
#8586550 - 07/02/08 01:16 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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LOL ........ No.
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CptnGarden
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: Humbled]
#8586568 - 07/02/08 01:26 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Psilocelium said:
I've read that the skins are what contain the toxins.
By steaming the fruits, the skin is easily peeled away leaving only flesh to consume.
Don't take my word for it though.
the skins contain the actives.
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RasJeph said:
Be careful. Death caps look a lot like amentias sometimes...
death caps ARE amanitas.
and to answer the question of the OP, muscarias do have a lookalike, make sure they have little frilly rings above the bulbous base, dig them up dont break them off.
take pics to the hunting forum for a proper "OK TO EAT".
make sure to include pics of the base of them.
many random amanitas have been popping up in the northern states, some yellow some red with yellowish stems and no frills, commonly mistaken for muscaria and eaten these mushrooms cause severe stomach upset.
research;
death cap
destroying angel
two mushrooms to look out for, they look nothing like muscaria.
and yes the experience of muscaria is worth it, definitely an entheogen of wonderous preportions, just dont take too many and dont expect it to be anything colorful like psilocybin.
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: CptnGarden]
#8586955 - 07/02/08 07:51 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
death caps ARE amanitas.
My bad. I meant the ones he was looking for LOOKED like death caps sometimes. 
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Rectul Threat
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: RasJeph]
#8587075 - 07/02/08 09:04 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i tried it once and nothing happened
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thedudenj
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: CptnGarden]
#8587217 - 07/02/08 10:14 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
CptnGarden said:
Quote:
Psilocelium said:
I've read that the skins are what contain the toxins.
By steaming the fruits, the skin is easily peeled away leaving only flesh to consume.
Don't take my word for it though.
the skins contain the actives.
Quote:
RasJeph said:
Be careful. Death caps look a lot like amentias sometimes...
death caps ARE amanitas.
and to answer the question of the OP, muscarias do have a lookalike, make sure they have little frilly rings above the bulbous base, dig them up dont break them off.
take pics to the hunting forum for a proper "OK TO EAT".
make sure to include pics of the base of them.
many random amanitas have been popping up in the northern states, some yellow some red with yellowish stems and no frills, commonly mistaken for muscaria and eaten these mushrooms cause severe stomach upset.
research;
death cap
destroying angel
two mushrooms to look out for, they look nothing like muscaria.
and yes the experience of muscaria is worth it, definitely an entheogen of wonderous preportions, just dont take too many and dont expect it to be anything colorful like psilocybin.
word finally someone with half a brain no offense to the others, but suprisingly things can get mad colorful. some of the most commen effects tho are Wavy Open eye visuals stuff beathing or warping, maybe a littl whirl pool in a wall or on a table. other then that OBEs and intense CEVs, for example anything you can envision you can really see as a CEV in full detail from there you can make a world of CEVs tho its better to fall into a trance and have an OBE cause that was way more direction and will tell you more. as for inducing a trance look up methods, drumming helps or putting the tv on line tuning up the volume and listing to that high pitch until you fall into it.
Really high doses can be dangerous causing you to collapse and even sleep walk so theres a somewhat element of danger. seriously tho type my name then do search i have taken them over 100 times.
i suggest picking them your self or getting them from someone that picks em Online ones are really iffy and chalk that up mainly to how their handeled they need to be handled as sacared things and give the proper respects and blessings. i find the fresher the better, and cook em only for taste, i dont really suggest drying unless your gona save em for future. But ill note theres a huge differance in summer amanita and Fall specially in NJ summer ones are way way rougher and body loading kinda make me sick a bit cause it feels like way to much drugs with those i suggest 1/4th a cap as where fall 1-2caps.
dont drive on them for the most part, i have driven on the sky while on them and i dont suggest it. they are a great healing tool.
i got to relive 2 years of my life in an OBE but fast fowarded which helped me deal with somethings in my life
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CptnGarden
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Re: Is A. Muscaria worth it? [Re: RasJeph]
#8587255 - 07/02/08 10:29 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
RasJeph said:
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death caps ARE amanitas.
My bad. I meant the ones he was looking for LOOKED like death caps sometimes.
wrong again.....
please do not go around saying things your not sure of......
while trying to keep him safe you know nothing of what you speak.
Amanita Phalloides - The Death Cap
Amanita Virosa - Destroying Angel
Amanita Muscaria
Amanita Muscaria Var. Formosa
safe shroomin'
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