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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Phred]
    #8582149 - 06/30/08 10:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I think you're missing out.  I'm not one to bash Bush, but I think 8 years of him have lead people to respect a little class.

I read the whole review that you linked to, and I have to say that it takes a pretty narrow view on the whole speech.  It's clearly a horrible source for a balanced opinion.


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Ferris]
    #8582202 - 06/30/08 10:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

To each his own. As I say, the guy saved me some typing, because he caught the same things I did when reading the transcript.

This whole "they're questioning my patriotism" bullshit is the standard liberal whine, so it was disappointing - though entirely predictable - to hear Obama moan about it, too. The man has zero originality. He simply parrots the hard left position right down the line. No, no one is questioning his patriotism. At least, McCain isn't, McCain's campaign staff aren't, the Republicans in the House and the Senate aren't, and prominent conservative pundits and commentators aren't. There may be some bitter Pennsylvanians clinging to their religion and their guns who question Barry's patriotism, but they aren't getting any media coverage.

It is revealing indeed that so many Libbies feel the irresistible need to proclaim their patriotism. It's so reminiscent of Nixon vigorously declaring, "I am not a crook!"



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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Phred]
    #8582234 - 06/30/08 10:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I thought the speech accomplished two main goals:

A.  A pre-emptive defense to one of the republicans favorite blunt objects (ie the patriotism schpeil), which yes, he has gotten slack for through all the internet bullshit about him being muslim and not a real citizen... etc

B.  Most importantly, it was a tribute to Independence Day.  Although it could be perceived through political eyes, not everthing has to have a 100% political motive behind it.

I for one thought he was telling the truth when he said he went into public service because he loved his country.  I'm not a blind follower, I was looking for visual cues throughout most of the speech.  I don't think you want to hear my amateur analysis on that, but to keep it short, his speech was pretty good, but his body language needed a lot of work.


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Phred]
    #8582319 - 06/30/08 11:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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But how, then, did Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright become Obama's spiritual guardian for twenty years?




I stopped reading there. Clearly, this person is a closed minded fool that doesn't understand that pastors sometimes say things parishioners don't like.

Like when my pastor told me to go to in-patient rehab for 9 months for my "excessive" mariuana habit. This didn't make him inadequate to teach lessons from the Bible to me.

Too bad I don't believe in God, at least in the Christian sense.


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: dill705]
    #8582341 - 06/30/08 11:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I stopped reading there.




immediately followed by

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Clearly, this person is a closed minded fool ...




The irony meter jumps off the scale.





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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: dill705]
    #8582388 - 06/30/08 11:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Somehow I got sucked into reading more. Here's a quote, it's starts with Barry from the speech.

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In the early years of the civil rights movement and the opposition to the Vietnam War, defenders of the status quo often accused anybody who questioned the wisdom of government policies of being unpatriotic.
Meanwhile, some of those in the so-called counter-culture of the '60s reacted not merely by criticizing particular government policies, but by attacking the symbols, and in extreme cases the very idea of America itself, by burning flags; by blaming America for all that was wrong with the world; and, perhaps most tragically, by failing to honor those veterans coming home from Vietnam, something that remains a national shame to this day.


This is the reverse of what actually happened. Antiwar, anti-American activists burned American flags, blamed America for everything that went wrong in the world, and attacked veterans. Normal Americans concluded, correctly, that these anti-Americans were not patriotic. Contrary to Obama's naive assumption, "dissent" is not always a good thing.







That is exactly what he said. Whoever wrote this article is plain retarded. I'm looking at this over and over trying to figure out how you can (incorrectly) construe this to be anything other than EXACTLY what Obama said.

He even called the flag burning and veteran bashing a "National shame to this day."

What more do you want him to say? As long as there are people willing to distort others words so that ignorant people will vote the way they want them to, I will never trust a republican. I know it goes both ways, but for christ's sake I've never seen any lefty article taking a direct quote from J-Mac that makes perfect and clear sense and then just simply claiming it's completely backwards and while describing why, says the same thing in different words.

Fuckin' A some people are just jackasses.

And he wasn't all "dissent is patriotism" either. He said dissent is patriotic when it is upholding the beliefs this country was founded on. And he didn't mean dissent of the COUNTRY he meant dissent from the GOVERNMENT. Two very different things. It's very easy to love this country but despise our government. I do it every day. We have beautiful land, a decent portion of our population is kind and loving, we have wealth and running water, and a democratic government that I truly believe in.

But doesn't mean I have to trust every decision they make, or support it. That's why it's a democracy, so the people have the power to direct the country in the right direction for the maority, while respecting the minorities wishes, at least to some extent.


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Phred]
    #8583826 - 07/01/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Phred said:



It is revealing indeed that so many Libbies feel the irresistible need to proclaim their patriotism.








and i doubt he convinced even one voter....


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8583884 - 07/01/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

He didn't feel the need to randomly show his patriotism he was trying to "answer doubts about his love for America and distance himself from supporters who have demeaned John McCain’s military service" Of course he was going to comeback with something defending his patriotism. Like McCain wouldn't have done the same thing? You guys are pretty funny... looking for any way to bash the other party or justify actions, whatever makes you feel better.. If you really wanted to bash Obama you should bash him for not offically agreeing with  Clark but obviously allowing him to speak as a 3rd party to bash McCain.

If Obama is predictable Phred why don't you start predicting?

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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Rebirtha]
    #8584676 - 07/01/08 04:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'll make a prediction.  He will accuse some other group (space aliens?) of distorting his message for political gain, cite no examples and then construct a great giant imaginary straw man that he will slay with Obamarrowstm.


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8585092 - 07/01/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You might just be a gay, jewish, douche. But I still love you. :hippie:


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Phred]
    #8585385 - 07/01/08 07:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The word Patriotism scares me...

Blindly following your leaders in the name of nationalism? Sounds a lot like Naziism.

I think everyone needs to put patriotism in their back pocket and start looking at the world objectively from the view of a world citizen...

How about Obamas support for the FISA bill?

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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #8585429 - 07/01/08 08:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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How about Obamas support for the FISA bill?




Fucking scarey is what it is.

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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #8585536 - 07/01/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The word Patriotism scares me...

Blindly following your leaders in the name of nationalism?




That's not what patriotism means. There is a different between patriotism and super-patriotism.

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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: dill705]
    #8586687 - 07/02/08 03:15 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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If you're of voting age, and even if you're not, I strongly suggest you get involved and start checking BOTH candidates out.

Then, realize Obama is better, smarter, and has better judgement, and vote Obama this November!




There's more than two candidates, so I did more than check out two.


And I like the libertarians, and will likely vote for Barr.

Do yourself a favor and check out all the views.  I doubt you'll swallow libertarianism well, but there's other parties with good ideas you may agree with.

You don't need to win elections to influence them, and your vote for a third party will do more to influence america than your vote for one of the two strains of the same political beast.


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I really don't understand how Barry managed to get himself a reputation as some kind of a great orator. It baffles the hell out of me. I've seen videos and read transcripts of the speeches folks are swooning over, and they leave me scratching my head. 


Phred





I think its 8 years+ of Bush delivering similar  rhetoric but in a chris walken-style cadence and the occasionaly but oft quoted fumble.  Makes bush seem like some cowboy or something and is not appealing, to me.

"We got......... (pause)

to put food.... (pause, falls asleep, what's going on look, thumb up, glance at notes, regain composure, glance around room)

on our family (shit eating grin, more sleep, gets ready for next line, takes another nap...)

Takes 5 minutes for bush to finish a clause with all the dramatic pauses.  I don't think obama is much better at the dumb dramatic pause, but he caries it off better.

But then again, most speeches are worthless as hell and should not be listened to.


If a candidate wants to be specific with a specific conceptual layout of his plan, then fine.  But I don't know if I've often heard such a thing.

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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Ferris]
    #8586851 - 07/02/08 06:15 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Minstrel said:
I think it's great that you can tell how patriotic your presumed-president is, now that he wears his USA flag lapel pin.  Want some freedom fries with that?

Because if the media has taught me anything, it's that real patriotism is small, meaningless symbolic gestures and phrases, while supporting a self-destructive policy, and promising that which is illegal for the government to provide.




You didn't listen to the speech did you??  GTFO

He attacked just the sort of sentiment that you are accusing him of.




He's in the CFR with McCain and Clinton and Bush and all those other evil scum.

He's no patriot. He'll smile at you whilst metaphorically stabbing you in the back, like all the US presidents have done for the past hundred years.


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8586870 - 07/02/08 06:38 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

There are hordes of senators, congressmen, judges, lobbyists, pundits, and countless offices of state on either side of the aisle that act as filters on the path to power in this country. 

To say that ANY president, vice president, cabinet member, or anyone previously mentioned is of great integrity and moral stability after passing through these great filters is an absolute fucking joke. 

And I will goddamned well NOT agree that the president or any government declared office has a higher moral integrity than myself.  And let me be the first to tell you, thats not affording them ANY credit.  Theres a reason Obama got where he is, and being an honest and forthcoming human being was not it.  No matter how well he speaks.

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I had an re-epiphany after reading my previous post, sorry for the rant.


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Ferris]
    #8586924 - 07/02/08 07:25 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I did watch it.  I genuinely was not impressed.  Don't get all butthurt.


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Minstrel]
    #8586941 - 07/02/08 07:38 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It's my honest opinion that you're all paranoid and need to get a grip on reality.  Just my honest opinion :shrug:

When someone says something and you construe the exact opposite meaning every time indicates that you seriously are in need of a little centering.


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: Ferris]
    #8586954 - 07/02/08 07:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Our lack of knowledge makes it all fact, or at least qualifies it to be treated in the same manner.  Maybe it's 1% true or 99% true. Since we don't know what aspects are and aren't, but DO know SOMETHING is, then of course thinking everything they say is the opposite of its meaning or intention is FAR from paranoid. Its actually called healthy skepticism.


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Re: Americans, Citizens of all nations, of all ideologies, should watch this speech [Re: joekenorer]
    #8586982 - 07/02/08 08:08 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I respect healthy skepticism.  If that's what you were truly going for, that's cool.

If I were trying to go for that, I would have phrased my dissent somewhere along the lines of "although I healthy respect for Obama's attempt to show himself as patriotic, I suspect that he had purely political motives in his speech."

Reading most of the posts above, I see nothing but fear and hate, and phrasing designed to attack and spread negativity.  I realize politics affects all our lives directly, but although no candidate represents my personal ideology, I see that it's appropriate to compromise to the center so that the candidate refelcts my societies needs rather than just my own.  There is no need to take this situation so personally when not everyone lives life the same way you do.

I am actually glad that I live in such a diverse country that this becomes a problem.  Happy 4th everyone.


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