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Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Updated 7/7/08]
    #8579254 - 06/30/08 01:42 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Okay after reading newcomer Nilla's Ideas, and seeing some of his results, I decided to try his scraping tek. I already have a fruiting chamber, though, and no room to try his FC, so I will not be duplicating that portion of his tek.

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I had two 1/2 pint PF cakes dunking already. These cakes were colonized with the Koh Samui Super Strain. The spores I got from a non-vendor, and I believe they were old. They took forever to colonize, in fact one of the cakes is really only about a third of a cake, as it had completely stalled. These two cakes were the only ones that did anything out of 6 cakes inoculated with these spores.

They soaked for 24 hours, then I attempted to scrape them as Nilla suggested. This was actually very easy. I cut the dry verm layer threshold off with a sharp knife, then used the serrated side of a butter knife to scrape the snowy white mycelium off of the sides. It was actually painful for me to do this, as it seems like a waste of beautiful mushroomy goodness. I did not scrape the bottom off, as Nilla says this protects the cakes from contamination when we sit them down on wet paper towels in the FC. Here are the cakes:



And here they are in my FC, sitting on a wet paper towel.

The other cakes are B+ on their 3rd flush. They were dunked for 36-60 hours, and not rolled in verm this time. They were dunked and rolled before and after the first flush. They look a little raggedy now; not sure what I'm going to see with those guys. For their story, check out the link below, "First Growlog."

Anyway, I shall keep you updated. Obviously, this is not a double blind study or anything like that. I'm just giving dude's idea a shot.

Your questions and comments are appreciated!

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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8579291 - 06/30/08 01:56 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Awsome bro.
I hope it work out for ya.
Frome experience doing this it seems it work the best the first time around "first flush".
They dont seem to get as fluffy on second and third flush's.

Looks right though.
Make sure to feel that paper towel every few days and if it gets dry add a tad water to it,no bleach.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8579315 - 06/30/08 02:05 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, man. Will do. :smile:


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8579327 - 06/30/08 02:08 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

this is a sweet method i think im gunna try it out this weekend


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8582339 - 07/01/08 01:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

A quick update. It's been about a day, and initially I didn't think there had been any growth. However upon further inspection i believe they have gotten whiter. I would not say they have begun to "fluff up" as nilla calls it, by there is some mycelial growth.

I'll keep you updated.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8585723 - 07/01/08 11:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

How about today?


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8585808 - 07/01/08 11:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, today, still not fluffy, but getting whiter. On an interesting note, however, the bottom is the whitest, and the mycelium is creeping onto the paper towel!

Whatever happens, it's interesting. I only hope to get a spore print from this KSSS strain, so I can have some good spores.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8585810 - 07/01/08 11:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Mad River said:
Okay, today, still not fluffy, but getting whiter. On an interesting note, however, the botom is the whitest, and the mycelium is creeping onto the paper towel!





Just like was predicted.  Mycelium will colonize perlite too which is why you have to put something down when placeing a cake in a FC.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #8585841 - 07/01/08 11:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Heres how fluffy mine get.
This is a about a week old.



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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8585854 - 07/01/08 11:41 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah this is only what, two days?


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8585861 - 07/01/08 11:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

HUH?
I wanst insulting you.
Im just showing what to expect.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8585862 - 07/01/08 11:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I know that. I was neither insulted, nor suggesting you intended to do so. Peace.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8585875 - 07/01/08 11:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Nilla was rubbing his fuzzy cake in your face. LOL

I think some of our terminology is borderline insane. Go up to a friend and ask them how long it takes their cakes to get fuzzy or what is their average cake birth time.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8585884 - 07/01/08 11:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That is very true. I've told only one friend of mine about this hobby, and when I explain my techniques to him he laughs and says it sounds like I'm speaking in code or a foreign language, LOL! :crazy2:


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8585981 - 07/02/08 12:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

HolySnype, I got this mental image of me asking the CIO, "So, how long does it take for your cakes to get fuzzy?" and just had to laugh.

I might even try this tomorrow...people look at me like I'm crazy anyway!!!


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Hattori Hanzo]
    #8586014 - 07/02/08 12:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

lol,,funny shit!


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8586953 - 07/02/08 09:48 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I think some of our terminology is borderline insane.




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    #8587064 - 07/02/08 11:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

MMMMMMmmmmmmm......  Fuzzy:crazy2:


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Humbled]
    #8587148 - 07/02/08 11:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

might i ask?.. wtf is the point of this other than a bunch of beginners bouncing around pointless ideas

why the hell would you scrape a cake? why would you leave the uncolonized verm?

all it takes it running your cake under water from the tap and using your fingers to remove any uncolonized areas

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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8587173 - 07/02/08 11:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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might i ask?.. wtf is the point of this other than a bunch of beginners bouncing around pointless ideas

why the hell would you scrape a cake? why would you leave the uncolonized verm?

all it takes it running your cake under water from the tap and using your fingers to remove any uncolonized areas

cakes aren't hard. you just have to read.




Nilla's results from his experiment can't be denied, so they're being tested. I mean - there is the PFTek standard that we all willingly abide by, but that doesn't mean we can't experiment. Because that's right, cakes are easy - and easy to experiment with also, so it's less of a point of why, but rather why not...?
It's good to try out new ideas. And maybe by making the mycelia feel "threatened", by said scraping, will yield new and interesting results.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Naxx]
    #8587204 - 07/02/08 12:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

any improvement in pinset from scraping a cake is not a matter of the mycelium feeling threatened it's a matter of it thinking it is dying

why not?
would be able to fight infection with a thousand cuts on you?
even more so if there are bacteria on said "knife"

do you know anything about the relation of nutrients/substrate mass to pinset?

i would think not..

even if you do manage to get more pins, the majority will abort and they'll likely be nothing but whisps of mushrooms after drying


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Naxx]
    #8587206 - 07/02/08 12:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The reason nilla gets big fruits is this:

The myc take water from the paper towlet this cause huge and masive flushes!
You can same put your cakes on wet vermiculite and they will take water from there.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: dstark]
    #8587337 - 07/02/08 12:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

putting your cakes on wet vermiculite would be more than ill advised

you guys needs to come back with more experience under your belts before you start writing teks that will only confuse every other nub that comes along.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8587385 - 07/02/08 01:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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any improvement in pinset from scraping a cake is not a matter of the mycelium feeling threatened it's a matter of it thinking it is dying

why not?
would be able to fight infection with a thousand cuts on you?
even more so if there are bacteria on said "knife"

do you know anything about the relation of nutrients/substrate mass to pinset?

i would think not..

even if you do manage to get more pins, the majority will abort and they'll likely be nothing but whisps of mushrooms after drying




How did the word "threatened" get misinterpreted?
Of course the mycelium is going to feel like it's dying, it's common practice to "threaten" a photosynthesizing plant in order to try to get a larger yield by means of scraping the bark, pruning, and water depletion. And although fungi and plants don't work exactly the same, I would guess that results would probably be similar.
And of course it could be more readily viable to bacterial growth being if you severely weaken it, especially if you use a filthy knife.... But then again, everyone already knows this.

And he doesn't seem to be going to be going for more fruits, but rather more growth with less fruits. There seems like there's plenty of substrate mass in a BRF PF cake, but not enough surface area, and by scraping - to some degree - you actually gain more surface area. But this is speculative, and it may indeed be less gain for what it's worth. Who knows. It's all a hobby.

No need to get your panties in a bunch, newbs bounce ideas off each other - no matter how bad they may be - but sometimes their ideas do actually work. No one's forcing you to do this tek. No loss.

So smoke another bowl, stop hijacking threads, and CHILLAX! Hehe... :jointsmile:


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Naxx]
    #8587424 - 07/02/08 01:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

wow such hate in your posts anarchOi? What's is wrong? Someone going outside of the box bother you that much? I would highly recommend looking at his results before you go slamming people for trying his method out.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8587585 - 07/02/08 02:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Wet paper towel is an invitation for contaminants, cakes don't like being scratched.

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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8587630 - 07/02/08 02:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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putting your cakes on wet vermiculite would be more than ill advised

you guys needs to come back with more experience under your belts before you start writing teks that will only confuse every other nub that comes along.




In what way is putting cakes on wet verm "ill advised"?

I case with a verm layer on bottom. 

Do you mean for standard cakes? (non-casing) or are you talking in general?

Either way, I dont see how it would be "ill advised".  Please enlighten..

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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: beengonetoolong]
    #8588311 - 07/02/08 05:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

wow wtf is wrong with some of these rude people i guess he doesnt have enough experience to know and understand the benegits of scraping and in that way makes him highly hypocritical. and i thinnk you over analyzed it you cant deny the results we have seen using this method.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: beengonetoolong]
    #8588328 - 07/02/08 06:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

and also why do you assume we are all beginners this is what pisses me off, when people look at the post number and seem to think that adds up to myco experience and also RR supports nilla and this method and i dont hiink any one can consider him a noob. i wish he would come in here and set things straight that this is a valid method and technique for brf cake cultivation


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8588350 - 07/02/08 06:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

FYI, scraping is not an inexperienced "newbie" method, as you seem to be implying, it is actually kind of an old school technique. 

Ie. one of the methods that some of the OG growers were using to grow before you even knew what a mushroom was.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Geomancer]
    #8588452 - 07/02/08 06:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Brother,ive been doing this for ten years!
And as far as the knife bull,,,"look at these cakes" they look healthier after words.
No contams that i can see.
See,its funny.
You say that cutting them introduces contams,,,well do you see any?
As long as there is "NO" uncolonized area's and you dont over dunk your cake it "WILL" be fine!
Why so heated anyway?
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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: pazzy]
    #8588462 - 07/02/08 06:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Wet paper towel is an invitation for contaminants, cakes don't like being scratched.

Kudos for trying something new though keep us posted.




Cakes dont like being scratched??
Mine seem too.
Paper towel contams??
I think ive proved this wrong.
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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8588470 - 07/02/08 06:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Nilla post your pics in this thread so they can see the results.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8588507 - 07/02/08 07:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

They dont care.
They seen em im sure.
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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8588558 - 07/02/08 07:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

any douchebags who doubt nilla's techniques should go find his thread that inspired this test. RR himself knows nilla, and gives him cred. And even without that THE PICTURES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

Stop being an ass just to be an ass...you obviously have no idea what youre talking about, and just make yourself look ridiculous.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8588615 - 07/02/08 07:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know why you think everyone has seen your pictures thats a pretty silly assumption, after looking through your thread I am honestly not impressed.

Cakes are a lot of work to begin with your adding extra time consuming steps for a small increase in yields.

Spawning to a monotub and yielding a few hundred dry grams with little to no maintenance sounds like a better idea to me then 30+ cakes which require much more maintenance.

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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: downtownc]
    #8588629 - 07/02/08 08:01 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

There's no need to find it, I linked to it in my first post.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: pazzy]
    #8588649 - 07/02/08 08:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

This isnt a comparison to bulk,,,,duh
This is simply how i do it!!
If you dont like it move on!
I just dont like the work involved in bulk.
I hate cuting straw,i hate my house smelling like a zoo aftering pasturizing poo,and i just find this easyas could be.
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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8588651 - 07/02/08 08:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Small increase??
Isnt the average from pints like 6 grams??
Well, i doubled that!


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8588667 - 07/02/08 08:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

dude he is just showin how to get more yields off of cake of course monotubs get more but he is talking about cakes not fucking mono tubs. his tek is for how to get big mushies off of cakes so i dont know why people keep bringin up fuking bulk grows we all know about how great they are but he is showin a diff aproach to utilizing cakes, and just because you and others dont like cakes that doesnt mean others dont so please stop flammin this thread its about cakes if you dont like them then you dont have to learn about how to get more yeilds off of cakes. and why do you have to try to rain on this guys parade he likes growin cakes andyou just make fun of him.


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    #8588672 - 07/02/08 08:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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    #8588908 - 07/02/08 09:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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might i ask?.. wtf is the point of this other than a bunch of beginners bouncing around pointless ideas




Indeed I am a beginner. I admit it on this forum all the time.

Why do you feel the idea is pointless?

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why the hell would you scrape a cake? why would you leave the uncolonized verm?




If you'd take a look at the link in my first post, you'd see why I am giving this a try. I am trying to see if I can grow some large shrooms off of BRF cakes. I really don't understand the other question. It's not very well phrased. I am not leaving any uncolonized verm. The point is to scrape away any uncolonized verm, not leave it. One cake I did was fully colonized, and did not require scraping any uncolonized verm. The other cake had stalled, and taken a very long time to get that far, so rather than toss it, I thought I'd try this.

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all it takes it running your cake under water from the tap and using your fingers to remove any uncolonized areas




Normally, and optimally, I would agree with you, and would not normally birth cakes with uncolonized areas anyway.

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cakes aren't hard. you just have to read.




Again I agree with you. I don't think cakes are hard. I had a pretty successful first grow, in my opinion, using the PF Tek. You can check the link in my signature, if you'd like to comment.

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any improvement in pinset from scraping a cake is not a matter of the mycelium feeling threatened it's a matter of it thinking it is dying




Um, I don't know about you, but if I thought I was being killed, I would feel threatened, but enough anthropomorphizing mycelium.  It seems you are arguing po-TAY-toes and po-TOT-oes. I have no idea if this concept contributes to mycelial growth or not, anyway.

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do you know anything about the relation of nutrients/substrate mass to pinset?




Care to share your equation with us beginners? It would be helpful, and we'd be grateful. :smile:

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even if you do manage to get more pins, the majority will abort and they'll likely be nothing but whisps of mushrooms after drying




More pins is not the point of this method. If you'd have bothered to take a look at the link in the first post, you'd know that. Your comment about "whisps of mushrooms" would appear to be extremely inaccurate.

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putting your cakes on wet vermiculite would be more than ill advised




Dude, putting your cakes on wet vermiculite is called dunking and rolling.

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you guys needs to come back with more experience under your belts before you start writing teks that will only confuse every other nub that comes along.




I am not writing a Tek. As the title of this thread suggests, I am experimenting with someone else's. It is the responsibility of every newb, myself included, to read things thoroughly and figure it out for themselves. I did it, I'm sure they can, too. As I said this thread is clearly labeled as an experiment. I have seen much more experienced growers than me put out some very questionable information lately that is not clearly noted as misinformation, experimentation, or a joke.

I'm sure you and the status quo will have a long and happy marriage. Good for you. :smile:


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    #8588939 - 07/02/08 09:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Wet paper towel is an invitation for contaminants, cakes don't like being scratched.




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There's lots of substitutes for perlite.  I've used paper towels, and even damp cloth towels to provide humidity in a terrarium.  They work fine provided you replace them every few days, or if using cloth, simply run it through the washing machine.

Knock off the rude comments folks.  I've known Nilla for several years.  He does things a bit differently than I do, but nobody can argue with what works.  There's more than one way to do things. It's always nice to expand the knowledge base. :thumbup:
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pazzy said:Kudos for trying something new though keep us posted.




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    #8589086 - 07/02/08 10:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ner... LOUD NOISES... LOUD NOISES...

I love lamp

...  Great old school tek.  I'll have to try it next time around to compare with my results and just GAIN a new way of doing things:thumbup:


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8589631 - 07/03/08 12:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

10 years and you're still scraping cakes? haha

OG growers don't use cakes.. atleast not any with any sense

methods have changed time and time again and this is FAR from anything new

i never got heated, i'm just trying to tell you nubs to move on in life
cakes are a waste of time, effort and resources after the innitial experience is gained

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    #8589645 - 07/03/08 12:47 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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10 years and you're still scraping cakes? haha

OG growers don't use cakes.. atleast not any with any sense

methods have changed time and time again and this is FAR from anything new

i never got heated, i'm just trying to tell you nubs to move on in life
cakes are a waste of time, effort and resources after the innitial experience is gained

the pictures are NOT impressive..
far from infact




That's nice, coming from a noob.

We are really impressed with your bulk grows, like this one....

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/pid/637154/imgpl/3/imgpp/12

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    #8589680 - 07/03/08 12:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That is truely pathetic!!!

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    #8589701 - 07/03/08 01:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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That is truely pathetic!!!

:piss:




I know. I decided to look through his gallery (:thumbdown:). He has several bulk grows, but nothing I can't get off of a cake. Don't get me wrong. I like doing bulk subs too, but cakes are easy and fun. Not all of us are trying to get a ton of shrooms.....


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    #8589728 - 07/03/08 01:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Heres a funny....
Check this pic out..

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/pid/608497/imgpl/3/imgpp/12

is it a he or a she??
The finger nails say other wise,,lol
Well, if you are male and these are your hands there very female like..
Anyway,that said hes/she has small hands and im a big guy.
So check out his bulk bigguns compared to my cakes.


I think he's in denile,,,,,of a few things...lol
:goatse:


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    #8589737 - 07/03/08 01:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Heres a funny....
Check this pic out..http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/pid/608497/imgpl/3/imgpp/12.is it a he or a she??
The finger nails say other wise,,lol
Well, if you are male and these are your hands there very female like..
Anyway,that said hes/she has small hands and im a big guy.
So check out his bulk bigguns compared to my cakes.
I think he's in denile,,,,,of a few things...lol
:goatse:




You forgot to post the pic, but I assume you are talking about this one...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/pid/637894/imgpl/3/imgpp/12

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    #8589757 - 07/03/08 01:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

No but thats hella funny too,,,lol
"Hey Girlymon,,why dontcha clip de finga nails"


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8589835 - 07/03/08 01:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, no pic tonight as I'm not sure where my camera is at the moment. The update is that the whole cake is looking pretty white and fluffy three days in now, though the top and far side are not quite as fluffy as the side closest to me.

The crescent shaped cake is very fluffy at the bottom, and not so fluffy further up. At the very top it seems that the mycelium is very thin, and looks somewhat bluish, like bruising underneath... Hopefully this is not a contam growing where I didn't scrape aggressively enough...

Both cakes have mycelium growing pretty far out onto the paper towel now. Do you think the towel is too wet, or that this will cause a problem? Any benefit to lifting the cakes or flipping them?

The mycelium is growing pretty far out onto the paper towel now on both of them.

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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8589857 - 07/03/08 01:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Thats normal.
Make sure the towel stays damp and not soaked,,about the amount you in a casing mix.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8589869 - 07/03/08 01:42 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

sorry had too....you guys are killing me....awesome....:sexysmile:


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    #8589890 - 07/03/08 01:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

seriously your all acting like a bunch of immature school kids.  grow up and stop crashing this guys thread.


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    #8589896 - 07/03/08 01:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:rofl::rofl2::rofl:


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    #8589909 - 07/03/08 01:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

YESSSSS!!!!!!,LOL!


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    #8589948 - 07/03/08 01:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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seriously your all acting like a bunch of immature school kids.  grow up and stop crashing this guys thread.






grrrrrr....wtf dude????  and i thought i had some major pms????  were just havin a little fun.....and the op dosent seem to mind..


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    #8589966 - 07/03/08 02:01 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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seriously your all acting like a bunch of immature school kids.  grow up and stop crashing this guys thread.




The person causing all the asshatery (pronounced: ass-HAT-er-ee) is anarchOi. As long as he wants to flame everyone else on this thread... I say open up the silos.


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    #8589975 - 07/03/08 02:05 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

and the church of todd has spoken.....amen


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    #8590009 - 07/03/08 02:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i personally didnt read anarchOi do any personal flaming.  because he criticized a new way of doing cakes?  you'll have that any time a new way of doing things comes up.  you guys are just being blatantly immature.


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    #8590035 - 07/03/08 02:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:saladbowl:


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    #8590036 - 07/03/08 02:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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10 years and you're still scraping cakes? haha

OG growers don't use cakes.. atleast not any with any sense

methods have changed time and time again and this is FAR from anything new

i never got heated, i'm just trying to tell you nubs to move on in life
cakes are a waste of time, effort and resources after the innitial experience is gained

the pictures are NOT impressive..
far from infact







He does here about three or more times.
Tells me i have no sense???
Laughing in my face??
telling me my results are Far from impressive??
Calling us newbies??
He is in the wrong point period!


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    #8590039 - 07/03/08 02:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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    #8590055 - 07/03/08 02:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

meh whatever, this thread is past its prime.  i still want to check out your results in the end though madriver.


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    #8590154 - 07/03/08 03:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Lol holy snype you just owned this noob who thinks to much of himself xD
That was nice hahaha.

anarchoi i dont see the difference between putting wet toilet paper as nilla does and a wet vermiculite...
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    #8590186 - 07/03/08 03:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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    #8590504 - 07/03/08 06:52 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What happened to the shroomery? :rolleyes:

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    #8590720 - 07/03/08 09:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I must be getting old too.  Knock off the bs people and let folks experiment.  Exactly how would pf have come up with his tek in the first place if not for experimenting?  If I see another cake vs bulk comment I'll scream.  This is a cake thread, not a bulk thread.

I've actually learned more from my failed experiments than the successful ones, so let the process play out.
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    #8590736 - 07/03/08 09:27 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I must be getting old too.  Knock off the bs people and let folks experiment.  Exactly how would pf have come up with his tek in the first place if not for experimenting?  If I see another cake vs bulk comment I'll scream.  This is a cake thread, not a bulk thread.

I've actually learned more from my failed experiments than the successful ones, so let the process play out.
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    #8590814 - 07/03/08 10:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I must be getting old too.  Knock off the bs people and let folks experiment.  Exactly how would pf have come up with his tek in the first place if not for experimenting?  If I see another cake vs bulk comment I'll scream.  This is a cake thread, not a bulk thread.

I've actually learned more from my failed experiments than the successful ones, so let the process play out.
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    #8591361 - 07/03/08 02:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I must be getting old too.  Knock off the bs people and let folks experiment.  Exactly how would pf have come up with his tek in the first place if not for experimenting?  If I see another cake vs bulk comment I'll scream.  This is a cake thread, not a bulk thread.

I've actually learned more from my failed experiments than the successful ones, so let the process play out.
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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8591756 - 07/03/08 04:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I have a question, I have read a bit of this thread and only saw people touch this subject

people are bitching because you didnt let your cakes colonize 100 percent so you cut of uncolonized bits so it was colonized 100 percent
you didnt let it fully colonize because you were pressed for time
If you werent pressed for time then why would you take the cakes out of the jars before they were fully colonized and if they were fully colonized before hand then you wouldnt need to hack away at them yes?


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: fridaynights]
    #8592246 - 07/03/08 06:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I have a question, I have read a bit of this thread and only saw people touch this subject

people are bitching because you didnt let your cakes colonize 100 percent so you cut of uncolonized bits so it was colonized 100 percent
you didnt let it fully colonize because you were pressed for time
If you werent pressed for time then why would you take the cakes out of the jars before they were fully colonized and if they were fully colonized before hand then you wouldnt need to hack away at them yes?




To answer your question, yes you are correct. nilla, who originally posted this method and kind of brought up all this controvery, had some very weird shaped cakes because he cut off all kinds of uncolonized substrate. He said he was "pressed for time" as you say. ou can see his cakes at the thread I link to in the first post of this one.

I, on the other hand, had one fully colonized cake, and one stalled cake that was not going to colonize any more no matter how long I waited. It had shown zero growth for over a week. So, I thought I would try this.

So, the basic thing about the Tek is to scrape the cakes. If the cake is fully colonized, then basically you are just removing the outer layer of fluffy mycelium to reveal the interior colonized substrate.

i hope I answered your question. :smile:

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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8592254 - 07/03/08 06:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder if this impending Independence Day weekend will spell doom for my experiment.... :frown:

Talk about much ado about nothing! :rofl2:


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    #8592634 - 07/03/08 08:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Nilla, you've not been growing 10 years. you're probably no older than 15????

because i have a girlfriend, you talk shit? hahahahaha

i stopped posting pictures a good while ago, the majority of my pics are used for showing examples in IRC

hahahaha
i still can't believe you're stupid enough to talk shit because you've only seen your mum's twat on your birthday

your cakes absolutely suck man. your grows suck. your advice sucks. your attitude sucks. frankly you just suck.




RR, i feel you've dissapointed me with not putting an end to nilla's blabbering off-topic, thread hijacking and flaming...

this is as close as i've ever come to a flame seemings how i try to be a little more MATURE?

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    #8592666 - 07/03/08 08:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

This is your attempt to be more mature?

Really dude, you are exasperating. If you don't like this thread just go away.


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    #8592683 - 07/03/08 08:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Nilla, you've not been growing 10 years. you're probably no older than 15????

because i have a girlfriend, you talk shit? hahahahaha

i stopped posting pictures a good while ago, the majority of my pics are used for showing examples in IRC

hahahaha
i still can't believe you're stupid enough to talk shit because you've only seen your mum's twat on your birthday

your cakes absolutely suck man. your grows suck. your advice sucks. your attitude sucks. frankly you just suck.




RR, i feel you've dissapointed me with not putting an end to nilla's blabbering off-topic, thread hijacking and flaming...

this is as close as i've ever come to a flame seemings how i try to be a little more MATURE?

nilla, hop on #fungi and suck my cock




Quote:

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This is your attempt to be more mature?

Really dude, you are exasperating. If you don't like this thread just go away.




I agree with with Mad River.  AnarchOi by your last post you are the 14 year old flaming the 15 year old.  Maybe you have better results by your methods and sucky results with another method.  I on the other hand may suck at your method and do great at this one.  What the fuck does it matter.  If your method is so great tell it to other people and they'll try it.  flaming someone else's methods doesn't get you anywhere at all.  Just because everybody follows your method doesn't make it any better.

So in that mind I am not saying your method doesn't produce results, all I am saying is allow another way at getting there to be expressed with all your negativity.


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    #8592691 - 07/03/08 08:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Btw - The bigger mushroom is just moisture related. Nothing more. Bye


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    #8592713 - 07/03/08 08:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Let's stop all the BS. I started the attacking, well, sort of after Anarchi's original insulting post. I am sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. Let's get this thread back on topic.


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    #8593229 - 07/04/08 12:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Nilla, you've not been growing 10 years. you're probably no older than 15????

because i have a girlfriend, you talk shit? hahahahaha

i stopped posting pictures a good while ago, the majority of my pics are used for showing examples in IRC

hahahaha
i still can't believe you're stupid enough to talk shit because you've only seen your mum's twat on your birthday

your cakes absolutely suck man. your grows suck. your advice sucks. your attitude sucks. frankly you just suck.




RR, i feel you've dissapointed me with not putting an end to nilla's blabbering off-topic, thread hijacking and flaming...

this is as close as i've ever come to a flame seemings how i try to be a little more MATURE?

nilla, hop on #fungi and suck my cock




What TF!!!!!  Hey you should be banned.  And Who TF are you? Don't Fuck with Madrivers post.  If you can't contribute shut the FUCK UP.  I've enjoyed and have followed this thread for the last 3 days I'm interested in new teks and ideas.  You FUCKING PECKER WOOD. 


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8593342 - 07/04/08 12:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to try this technique. In-fact, Ive already got a cake scraped and sitting in it's paper lined FC.

We'll see, in about two weeks, how the scraped cake compares to the regular dunked and rolled cake, same strain, same syringe, same day of innoc and birth etc.


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    #8593359 - 07/04/08 12:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Just because it came out of the same syringe does not mean it will have the same genes.


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    #8593723 - 07/04/08 03:01 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Small increase??
Isnt the average from pints like 6 grams??
Well, i doubled that!




nah, it's actually more like 6-7 per 1/2 pint nowadays.  Just thought I'd clear that up.


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    #8593769 - 07/04/08 03:30 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Kagenical said:
I'm going to try this technique. In-fact, Ive already got a cake scraped and sitting in it's paper lined FC.

We'll see, in about two weeks, how the scraped cake compares to the regular dunked and rolled cake, same strain, same syringe, same day of innoc and birth etc.




Awesome! Definitely more scientific than what I have going on. :smile:


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    #8594030 - 07/04/08 06:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Small increase??
Isnt the average from pints like 6 grams??
Well, i doubled that!




nah, it's actually more like 6-7 per 1/2 pint nowadays.  Just thought I'd clear that up.






We would luv to see your one flush of this....


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    #8594056 - 07/04/08 06:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I cant believe I just wasted the last 5 minutes of my life getting caught up on this thread. :shocked:

*smokes a J in peace*

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    #8594203 - 07/04/08 09:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I just wasted the last 5 minutes of my life getting caught up on this thread. 




lolzz

I just wasted 5 minutes of my time reading all this fighting crap...

going back and forth...

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    #8594319 - 07/04/08 10:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm truly sorry. This never was my intent. :sad: I really don't overly feel like bothering with this thread any more, but I hate to leave things unfinished.


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Re: Warning!~ [Re: Mad River]
    #8594354 - 07/04/08 11:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

An update.
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The bottoms of the cakes are getting pretty fluffy and white, but the tops seem dehydrated and like they are turning blue... No sign of pins yet, but nilla showed pics of very fluffy cakes 1 week in the FC with no pins.

Sorry for the lack of pics, folks, but I left my camera in my vehicle unlocked. I'm not sure if someone stole it, or if maybe it slid under a seat or something. It's been missing for several days, so I should probably figure that out.... I hope I didn't lose it, damnit...


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Re: Warning!~ [Re: Mad River]
    #8594385 - 07/04/08 11:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

haha, i was drunk when i wrote that post, but i must say i have a great point. this is the last i have to say of it...

I invite all of you faithful Shroomerites to take a trip over to Mycotopia and do a search for cake scraping..

you'll find that this is far from a NEW method, aswell as it is far from an experimental one.



Why cake scraping is POINTLESS;

1. You lose valuable BRF material
2. You damage future flushes
3. As BRF does not FULLY colonize, you expose BRF by scraping
4. What about when you have pins before birthing?
5. How is this any better than a verm roll?
6. If you're going to spend the time, effort and resources on this, why not just grow a bulk tub?
7. there is absolutely NO way, you get even HALF the yields i do from my tubs from a cake.
8. Those NASTY looking pin formations from nilla's photos are USELESS, the majority of them will DESTROY each other aswell as keeping the one that does make it from reaching it's growth potential.



You don't get beasts like this from cakes.

Let me fill you in, that's a 14 qt bucket... filled less than half way... you think YOU can get 2OZ dry from 6.5qts of substrate????? (First flush)

How bout my grow vs your grow nilla?
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Roadkill;
I apologize for losing my temper, rather i apologize for losing my temper and posting it.
You won't have any more problems from me :wink:
Let me know if my above post is out of line. I tried to avoid flaming, name calling, cursing, etc while still voicing my opinion


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    #8594412 - 07/04/08 12:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone that grows cakes are idiots, you are a genius; you're very good looking, I'm extremely ugly; my penis is very small, you are hung like a horse; your Dad can beat up my Dad; blah blah blah.


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    #8594416 - 07/04/08 12:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

LOL Mad River.  Nice :smile:


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8594579 - 07/04/08 01:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

billyboy36 said:
Quote:

Small increase??
Isnt the average from pints like 6 grams??
Well, i doubled that!




nah, it's actually more like 6-7 per 1/2 pint nowadays.  Just thought I'd clear that up.






We would luv to see your one flush of this....




ask anyone that does cakes well.  Holesnype I'm sure can attest to this.  I believe fatster said he was getting around 5.5 zones from his 24 1/2 pint bins which is about 6.4 gms per cake on average.  I'm not trying to prove you wrong, just giving you correct up-to-date information.  people were getting 3ish gms back in the day when cakes weren't dunked or DNR'ed.  Then putting straws stuck in cakes and water allowed to absorb got popular.  Then people started drilling into cakes and filling the holes with water via the voodoo tek.  Then the inner reservoir was the next new thing.  I remember PF had a bin of Mazzies on his site (although there was verm on the bottom of the tub and not perlite) that made the inner reservoir very attractive.  Then people finally started dunking their cakes which made all those other techniques obsolete.

The one thing that is consistent throughout all those teks is the fact that water is added.  Thats why people are suggesting that the fact that the cakes are sitting on wet paper towel is helping them with the larger flushes.  I believe otto is suggesting that you try some cakes without them sitting on paper towel to show you this. 

And if you look at old pics of the voodoo tek, you can see that where the holes were made in the cakes (on the top) there is heavy pinning due to where the myc was disturbed aka, scratched.

So the scratching does help initiate pinning but size of those fruits are linked to other factors other than the scratch.  As has been said, substrate size, genetics, and water resources.  Other factors are just theory of course, like whether or not the amount of fruits determine their size.  But that's a theory that's been in play for a long time.  I think PF had a pic of a B+ cake that was one huge ass fruit on the top of the cake.  It makes sense that if a substrate only has a certain number of fruits, then it is going to give the available nutes to those fruits which would make them bigger.  It's just theory though. 

But so is what you are saying.  So far we've only seen a few cakes from you having done this.  I think that if you are correct, your methods should work across "strain" variance.  I personally would just need to see some different strains and different sized cakes to come to complete agreement with you.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: billyboy36]
    #8594716 - 07/04/08 02:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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ask anyone that does cakes well.  Holesnype I'm sure can attest to this.  I believe fatster said he was getting around 5.5 zones from his 24 1/2 pint bins which is about 6.4 gms per cake on average.  I'm not trying to prove you wrong, just giving you correct up-to-date information.  people were getting 3ish gms back in the day when cakes weren't dunked or DNR'ed.  Then putting straws stuck in cakes and water allowed to absorb got popular.  Then people started drilling into cakes and filling the holes with water via the voodoo tek.  Then the inner reservoir was the next new thing.  I remember PF had a bin of Mazzies on his site (although there was verm on the bottom of the tub and not perlite) that made the inner reservoir very attractive.  Then people finally started dunking their cakes which made all those other techniques obsolete.




Nice, you have obviously been attentively following the boards for a very long time! Perfect rundown of the history of trends as far as my (often jaggered) memory is concerned.... :shocked:

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The one thing that is consistent throughout all those teks is the fact that water is added.  Thats why people are suggesting that the fact that the cakes are sitting on wet paper towel is helping them with the larger flushes.  I believe otto is suggesting that you try some cakes without them sitting on paper towel to show you this. 




This is exactly what I suggested before the thread got closed but its seems as though it was met with a negative view, probably due to the fact nilla was already feeling threatened by the attack towards his ideas, and the point to my experiment/suggestion was missed ...

Nicely summed up billyboy... :thumbup:


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8596387 - 07/05/08 02:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Okay. Five days later and the blue tinge I've been observing is frankly disturbing to me now. It's possible it's contamination, but I really don't think so. Then again, I've not seen a lot of contams, so I'm not the best judge. Finally I have some pics.


It's questionable in the pics, but this coloration looks quite blue to me in actuality, not green gray or black. The really darkish spot on the full cake is where I rubbed it with my fingertip. Nothing came off of the cake, but obviously it got quite a bit darker there. Let me know what you think. Maybe I've got contam city, I don't know. :confused:


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    #8596435 - 07/05/08 03:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I would say that is bruising. What did you expect after malhandling them like that? They look quite dry too.


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    #8596448 - 07/05/08 03:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

WOW, thats super blue


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    #8596449 - 07/05/08 03:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

they do look a little dry to me as well....give them some juice.


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    #8596457 - 07/05/08 03:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

some whitegrape juice...

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    #8596465 - 07/05/08 03:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

sip on this mr and mrs cake.....


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    #8596689 - 07/05/08 09:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I would say that is bruising. What did you expect after malhandling them like that? They look quite dry too.




Like I said, I thought it looked like bruising. But it's not from being manhandled. There was no bruising at the time of scraping. The blueness appeared slowly over the course of five days. I agree they look dry at the top. I was trying to avoid misting them, because nilla claims to not mist his cakes, and uses the paper towels for hydration. But watching the tops of the cakes shrivel over the last week drove me nuts so I misted them with the others in the FC (though less volume, and less frequently). It does not seem to have had an effect on the blueness or dryness. I'm glad to see no-one  thinks this is a contam, though. I didn't think so.


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    #8596826 - 07/05/08 11:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Low humidity is another prime cause for bruising, so if it wasn't from handling them then it is likely the bruising resulted from dehydration.

I don't want to discredit Nilla's tek but it seems to leave a bit to be desired. You have to keep in mind that Nilla did not use a shotgun terrarium, but rather it was fully enclosed, so moisture was unable to be lost. As a result misting was not all that necessary.

On the other hand, you are using a shotgun setup, so without misting you are constantly losing moisture without replenishing it. If you wish to test whether Nilla's tek is effective or not, you'll need to replicate all of his variables.

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    #8602082 - 07/06/08 10:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

All true.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8602512 - 07/07/08 12:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

dont mist your cakes!!

LOL!!!

does RAIN kill mushrooms?? hahaha
mist? dew? etc?

no.

lmao don't mist your cakes
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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8602627 - 07/07/08 01:05 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

UPDATE
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I've got some pins and intense blue. The pins aren't anything special, but the blue is crazy. One of the cakes has mycelium on the paper towel, then after the mycelium on the paper towel, there is blue! I don't know how this can be unless this is a contam... I don't know. I am starting to wish I had just dunked and rolled these cakes.
                   


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8602699 - 07/07/08 01:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

sweeet gotta love some pinz mmmmm this is the best part keep updating but those cakes look fukin wierd


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8602702 - 07/07/08 01:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

and its i think you should put somting under those cakes asap because the myc is wastin its enery colonizing the paper towel instead of makin some monster pinz but it might pin on the paper towel which would be cool


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8602800 - 07/07/08 02:27 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Is the paper towel portion of this tek necessary? Why not just keep them on your screen? I mean you've got Perlite...


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8603083 - 07/07/08 05:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Because paper towel is what nilla used...

Notice the pins are forming where the cake touches the paper towel? And notice in nilla's thread the same thing occurred? I believe that is indicative of the cake utilising the moisture in the paper towel, and again why I think nilla's cakes threw off a few chunky ones.


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    #8603385 - 07/07/08 10:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

hey i wanna see an update on those pinz


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8604658 - 07/07/08 05:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

good god why does that cake look so yellow?...


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8604722 - 07/07/08 06:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

If you compare the three pictures it is clear that it is a difference in lighting.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8604939 - 07/07/08 07:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Its interesting how the cakes are beginning to colonize the paper towel.

Theoretically shouldn't the yield be lower since the cakes are spending energy on both colonization and fruiting, or would the extra water make up for energy spent on colonizing the paper towel?


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: pazzy]
    #8604947 - 07/07/08 07:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

hey post an update on the pins i am curious as to how big they are now


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8604978 - 07/07/08 07:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'll post another pic later. The pins are a little bigger but not much. They show no signs of being monsters.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8605052 - 07/07/08 07:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

hahaha sweet. so they are growin slow?


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8607110 - 07/08/08 07:31 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

even in the last pic the cakes looks metabolite stained

mycelium can colonize most types of paper products



i'm betting on the green for those cakes shortly
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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8607331 - 07/08/08 09:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

can you please stop bein a douche and tryin to bring this guy down he is EXPERIMENTING with this method so please stop the bullshit judgement. you have not posted one positiive thing all you do is rag on this guy.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8607748 - 07/08/08 01:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

lawl
what kind of experiments are so bias that they can't take criticism?
not any good ones.

There really aren't any positives to this tek, you want me to make some up?

These aren't "make everyone feel good about themselves" forums


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8607752 - 07/08/08 01:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Opinions are like assholes also anarchOi. Everyone has one and they usually stink.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8607770 - 07/08/08 01:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Science isn't about opinions

It's not my opinion that says this tek is bunk, it's my knowledge, experience and common sense.

Surely you understand that i encourage experimenting but not making up "facts"

I'm just saying that it's not going to improve anything.
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    #8607922 - 07/08/08 02:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

"I'm just saying that it's not going to improve anything.
AKA it is not worth the while."

That is an opinon. How do you know if you never try? How can science be based on one failed attempt and then scrapping the entire experiment because one person failed to get positive results? Come on man.......


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8608425 - 07/08/08 04:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Science isn't about opinions

It's not my opinion that says this tek is bunk, it's my knowledge, experience and common sense.

Surely you understand that i encourage experimenting but not making up "facts"




I believe everyone in this thread is aware of your stance on this matter. I appreciate your input, but not your repetition.

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anarchOi said:I'm just saying that it's not going to improve anything.
AKA it is not worth the while.




Since it's not worth your while, why are you spending so much time on it? Why don't you just let me learn on my own?

I hate to waste your precious time. Why don't you eat some shrooms and mellow the fuck out?


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8608539 - 07/08/08 04:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

anarchOi said:
Science isn't about opinions

It's not my opinion that says this tek is bunk, it's my knowledge, experience and common sense.

Surely you understand that i encourage experimenting but not making up "facts"




I believe everyone in this thread is aware of your stance on this matter. I appreciate your input, but not your repetition.

Quote:

anarchOi said:I'm just saying that it's not going to improve anything.
AKA it is not worth the while.




Since it's not worth your while, why are you spending so much time on it? Why don't you just let me learn on my own?

I hate to waste your precious time. Why don't you eat some shrooms and mellow the fuck out?




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    #8609055 - 07/08/08 07:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

True. Pointless criticisms of an experiment does not further science in any way. Let the experiment be does, then critique it's shortcomings if you feel the need.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: wisp]
    #8610460 - 07/09/08 12:32 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

hey man wer are those pics? i wanna see an update


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8610555 - 07/09/08 01:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Here you go.

   


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8611336 - 07/09/08 04:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

God Damn...That cake looks like it went a couple of rounds with Tyson!


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    #8611402 - 07/09/08 05:05 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hats off to that cake for even fruiting in those conditions. Thx for the experiment.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Krez]
    #8611903 - 07/09/08 09:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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God Damn...That cake looks like it went a couple of rounds with Tyson!




MadRiver did that cake look at you funny or something, because it does look like you hit it with the angry fist of god! :box:

I hope those fruits will end up growing as big as Nilla's.


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    #8611970 - 07/09/08 09:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Hats off to that cake for even fruiting in those conditions. Thx for the experiment.




I have no idea why the cakes are doing that. They are fruiting in the same chamber that normal PF cakes are doing very well in. :confused:


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    #8611972 - 07/09/08 09:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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God Damn...That cake looks like it went a couple of rounds with Tyson!




MadRiver did that cake look at you funny or something, because it does look like you hit it with the angry fist of god! :box:

I hope those fruits will end up growing as big as Nilla's.




I hope so too, but so far I don't see anything unusual about the pins.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8612013 - 07/09/08 09:55 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

WOW! I've never seen cakes get that bruised before. Thats incredible.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Updated 7/7/08] [Re: Mad River]
    #8616420 - 07/10/08 09:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That's All Folks!

   

As you can see, no giant shrooms. I scraped, and I used paper towel humidification (+perlite). Why did I not get big ass shrooms? Why did my cakes turn super blue? Too much FAE? Too much humidity?

When I picked up this cake it was VERY dry. Obviously it was only a sliver of a cake, though. Also, the full cake has not fruited at all.

I plan on dunking and rolling these cakes now. Your comments and theories are welcome.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Updated 7/7/08] [Re: Mad River]
    #8616482 - 07/10/08 10:08 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Why did I not get big ass shrooms? Why did my cakes turn super blue?




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When I picked up this cake it was VERY dry. Obviously it was only a sliver of a cake, though




I think you answered your own question.  Thanks for experimenting!
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    #8616652 - 07/10/08 11:09 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sure, I understand that. I guessed I should have asked what was the difference between Nilla's success and what I did?


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Updated 7/7/08] [Re: Mad River]
    #8617105 - 07/10/08 01:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

well first of all you're using 1/2 pints.  That the big one.  And probably because you aren't using the same strain, at least I don't think you are.  nice experiment.


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    #8617312 - 07/10/08 02:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder if perhaps when the mycelium is recuperating, it is drawing from the inside mycelium which has access to the most/ freshest nutrients and most water. In contrast, the mycelium we see during original colonization is young and spreading. This technique may allow the strong established mycelium to dominate the fruiting surface of the substrate.


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