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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Naxx]
    #8587204 - 07/02/08 12:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

any improvement in pinset from scraping a cake is not a matter of the mycelium feeling threatened it's a matter of it thinking it is dying

why not?
would be able to fight infection with a thousand cuts on you?
even more so if there are bacteria on said "knife"

do you know anything about the relation of nutrients/substrate mass to pinset?

i would think not..

even if you do manage to get more pins, the majority will abort and they'll likely be nothing but whisps of mushrooms after drying


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Naxx]
    #8587206 - 07/02/08 12:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The reason nilla gets big fruits is this:

The myc take water from the paper towlet this cause huge and masive flushes!
You can same put your cakes on wet vermiculite and they will take water from there.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: dstark]
    #8587337 - 07/02/08 12:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

putting your cakes on wet vermiculite would be more than ill advised

you guys needs to come back with more experience under your belts before you start writing teks that will only confuse every other nub that comes along.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8587385 - 07/02/08 01:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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any improvement in pinset from scraping a cake is not a matter of the mycelium feeling threatened it's a matter of it thinking it is dying

why not?
would be able to fight infection with a thousand cuts on you?
even more so if there are bacteria on said "knife"

do you know anything about the relation of nutrients/substrate mass to pinset?

i would think not..

even if you do manage to get more pins, the majority will abort and they'll likely be nothing but whisps of mushrooms after drying




How did the word "threatened" get misinterpreted?
Of course the mycelium is going to feel like it's dying, it's common practice to "threaten" a photosynthesizing plant in order to try to get a larger yield by means of scraping the bark, pruning, and water depletion. And although fungi and plants don't work exactly the same, I would guess that results would probably be similar.
And of course it could be more readily viable to bacterial growth being if you severely weaken it, especially if you use a filthy knife.... But then again, everyone already knows this.

And he doesn't seem to be going to be going for more fruits, but rather more growth with less fruits. There seems like there's plenty of substrate mass in a BRF PF cake, but not enough surface area, and by scraping - to some degree - you actually gain more surface area. But this is speculative, and it may indeed be less gain for what it's worth. Who knows. It's all a hobby.

No need to get your panties in a bunch, newbs bounce ideas off each other - no matter how bad they may be - but sometimes their ideas do actually work. No one's forcing you to do this tek. No loss.

So smoke another bowl, stop hijacking threads, and CHILLAX! Hehe... :jointsmile:


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Naxx]
    #8587424 - 07/02/08 01:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

wow such hate in your posts anarchOi? What's is wrong? Someone going outside of the box bother you that much? I would highly recommend looking at his results before you go slamming people for trying his method out.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8587585 - 07/02/08 02:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Wet paper towel is an invitation for contaminants, cakes don't like being scratched.

Kudos for trying something new though keep us posted.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8587630 - 07/02/08 02:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

anarchOi said:
putting your cakes on wet vermiculite would be more than ill advised

you guys needs to come back with more experience under your belts before you start writing teks that will only confuse every other nub that comes along.




In what way is putting cakes on wet verm "ill advised"?

I case with a verm layer on bottom. 

Do you mean for standard cakes? (non-casing) or are you talking in general?

Either way, I dont see how it would be "ill advised".  Please enlighten..

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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: beengonetoolong]
    #8588311 - 07/02/08 05:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

wow wtf is wrong with some of these rude people i guess he doesnt have enough experience to know and understand the benegits of scraping and in that way makes him highly hypocritical. and i thinnk you over analyzed it you cant deny the results we have seen using this method.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: beengonetoolong]
    #8588328 - 07/02/08 06:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

and also why do you assume we are all beginners this is what pisses me off, when people look at the post number and seem to think that adds up to myco experience and also RR supports nilla and this method and i dont hiink any one can consider him a noob. i wish he would come in here and set things straight that this is a valid method and technique for brf cake cultivation


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: anarchOi]
    #8588350 - 07/02/08 06:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

FYI, scraping is not an inexperienced "newbie" method, as you seem to be implying, it is actually kind of an old school technique. 

Ie. one of the methods that some of the OG growers were using to grow before you even knew what a mushroom was.


PS-post count/time registered on the shroomery does not indicate experience, that seems to be a common misconception on these boards.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Geomancer]
    #8588452 - 07/02/08 06:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Brother,ive been doing this for ten years!
And as far as the knife bull,,,"look at these cakes" they look healthier after words.
No contams that i can see.
See,its funny.
You say that cutting them introduces contams,,,well do you see any?
As long as there is "NO" uncolonized area's and you dont over dunk your cake it "WILL" be fine!
Why so heated anyway?
Kinda funny really...


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: pazzy]
    #8588462 - 07/02/08 06:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

pazzy said:
Wet paper towel is an invitation for contaminants, cakes don't like being scratched.

Kudos for trying something new though keep us posted.




Cakes dont like being scratched??
Mine seem too.
Paper towel contams??
I think ive proved this wrong.
As long as you do it right it works!


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8588470 - 07/02/08 06:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Nilla post your pics in this thread so they can see the results.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8588507 - 07/02/08 07:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

They dont care.
They seen em im sure.
They just wanna hate, hence "Player hate":tongue:



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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8588558 - 07/02/08 07:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

any douchebags who doubt nilla's techniques should go find his thread that inspired this test. RR himself knows nilla, and gives him cred. And even without that THE PICTURES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

Stop being an ass just to be an ass...you obviously have no idea what youre talking about, and just make yourself look ridiculous.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8588615 - 07/02/08 07:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know why you think everyone has seen your pictures thats a pretty silly assumption, after looking through your thread I am honestly not impressed.

Cakes are a lot of work to begin with your adding extra time consuming steps for a small increase in yields.

Spawning to a monotub and yielding a few hundred dry grams with little to no maintenance sounds like a better idea to me then 30+ cakes which require much more maintenance.

I guess this makes me an official "player hater"


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: downtownc]
    #8588629 - 07/02/08 08:01 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

There's no need to find it, I linked to it in my first post.


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: pazzy]
    #8588649 - 07/02/08 08:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

This isnt a comparison to bulk,,,,duh
This is simply how i do it!!
If you dont like it move on!
I just dont like the work involved in bulk.
I hate cuting straw,i hate my house smelling like a zoo aftering pasturizing poo,and i just find this easyas could be.
If you dont,,who cares!


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: nilla]
    #8588651 - 07/02/08 08:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Small increase??
Isnt the average from pints like 6 grams??
Well, i doubled that!


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Re: Nilla's Scraping PF Tek Experiment [Re: Mad River]
    #8588667 - 07/02/08 08:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

dude he is just showin how to get more yields off of cake of course monotubs get more but he is talking about cakes not fucking mono tubs. his tek is for how to get big mushies off of cakes so i dont know why people keep bringin up fuking bulk grows we all know about how great they are but he is showin a diff aproach to utilizing cakes, and just because you and others dont like cakes that doesnt mean others dont so please stop flammin this thread its about cakes if you dont like them then you dont have to learn about how to get more yeilds off of cakes. and why do you have to try to rain on this guys parade he likes growin cakes andyou just make fun of him.


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