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blackegg
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RECREATE '68
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END THE WAR NOW! END THE WAR NOW! NATIONAL CALL TO ACTION IN DENVER AT THE DNC! BE A PART OF HISTORY! COLORADO’S LARGEST ANTI-WAR PROTEST! The war is an Imperialist war not a Republican war! Now the Democrats want to control the Empire! We have pressured the party who started the war to no avail, now it’s time to pressure the party that may actually move to end this war. Join Troops Out Now!, Re-Create 68, and scores of other antiwar groups from across the country as we descend on Denver and focus our energy and resources to force a change in the direction of the country. Be a part of history! The protest will be kicked off by a special surprise perfomance by one of the most kickin’ bands in the country! Make Your Actions Matter! This is our chance to “Do It In Denver!” Free Housing, Free Food, Free Trainings, Free Health Care. The only thing missing is YOU! Sunday, 11 am, August 24th, Denver, Colorado at the Democratic National Convention For more info, visit www.recreate68.org
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: RECREATE '68 [Re: blackegg]
#8577488 - 06/29/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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The protest will be kicked off by a special surprise perfomance by one of the most kickin’ bands in the country!
Let me guess.. Crosby, Stills & Nash?
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Re: RECREATE '68 [Re: blackegg]
#8577619 - 06/29/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Like I said in the other thread where you're spamming this, removing all the troops from Iraq tomorrow is about the most irresponsible thing you could do at this point, regardless of how you feel about the initial invasion.
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Madtowntripper said: Like I said in the other thread where you're spamming this, removing all the troops from Iraq tomorrow is about the most irresponsible thing you could do at this point, regardless of how you feel about the initial invasion.
yeah, but that's thinking with your head, not with your gut.
If your gut says we shouldn't have gone there in the first place, well, let's withdraw immediately. Kinda like if you accidentally slip into someone's butt, it's best to quickly withdraw so you give them a nice prolapse.
Actually I think that analogy is pretty fitting for the whole Iraq experience, and I also like that I got to use "analogy" to describe what I said because it starts with "anal"
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yeah, fuck 'em, the middle east isnt our problem, but if we cant have the oil, lets make it so no one can have the oil
until the radiation subsides
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blackegg
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See this is why I sometimes like this forum.
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lonestar2004
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Madtowntripper said: Like I said in the other thread where you're spamming this, removing all the troops from Iraq tomorrow is about the most irresponsible thing you could do at this point, regardless of how you feel about the initial invasion.
right,
this from Obamas own website... IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWL!
"Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
what a lying ASS...
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Christ, pulling everyone out now would cause an interesting scenario that even the best analists wouldn't be able to predict.
It certainly wouldn't rue us at all, unless by some far-far chance an extremist sect managed to, against all odds, take power and convince the entire nation to switch to their idealism.
I'm curious if we're going to end up having to foot the rebuilding bill. Pulling out would certainly put this on our shoulders, whereas continuing the war would ensure that we won't, at least 'til its over.
This invasion could very well lead to our nations economic downfall. Everytime we pull a dollar out of our ass for the war, it loses it value. $ vs # we're almost to Europe as Mexico is to us (exaggeration).
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Re: RECREATE '68 [Re: blackegg]
#8580721 - 06/30/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I defy you by being a proud American.

Deals with Iraq are set to bring oil giants back
By Andrew E. Kramer Published: June 19, 2008
Four Western oil companies are in the final stages of negotiations this month on contracts that will return them to Iraq, 36 years after losing their oil concession to nationalization as Saddam Hussein rose to power.
Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP — the original partners in the Iraq Petroleum Company — along with Chevron and a number of smaller oil companies, are in talks with Iraq's Oil Ministry for no-bid contracts to service Iraq's largest fields, according to ministry officials, oil company officials and an American diplomat.
The deals, expected to be announced on June 30, will lay the foundation for the first commercial work for the major companies in Iraq since the American invasion, and open a new and potentially lucrative country for their operations.
The no-bid contracts are unusual for the industry, and the offers prevailed over others by more than 40 companies, including companies in Russia, China and India. The contracts, which would run for one to two years and are relatively small by industry standards, would nonetheless give the companies an advantage in bidding on future contracts in a country that many experts consider to be the best hope for a large-scale increase in oil production.
There was suspicion among many in the Arab world and among parts of the American public that the United States had gone to war in Iraq precisely to secure the oil wealth these contracts seek to extract. The Bush administration has said that the war was necessary to combat terrorism. It is not clear what role the United States played in awarding the contracts; there are still American advisers to Iraq's Oil Ministry.
Sensitive to the appearance that they were profiting from the war and already under pressure because of record high oil prices, senior officials of two of the companies, speaking only on the condition that they not be identified, said they were helping Iraq rebuild its decrepit oil industry.
For an industry being frozen out of new ventures in the world's dominant oil-producing countries, from Russia to Venezuela, Iraq offers a rare and prized opportunity.
While enriched by $140 per barrel oil, the oil majors are also struggling to replace their reserves as ever more of the world's oil patch becomes off limits. Governments in countries like Bolivia and Venezuela are nationalizing their oil industries or seeking a larger share of the record profits for their national budgets. Russia and Kazakhstan have forced the major companies to renegotiate contracts.
The Iraqi government's stated goal in inviting back the major companies is to increase oil production by half a million barrels per day by attracting modern technology and expertise to oil fields now desperately short of both. The revenue would be used for reconstruction, although the Iraqi government has had trouble spending the oil revenues it now has, in part because of bureaucratic inefficiency.
For the American government, increasing output in Iraq, as elsewhere, serves the foreign policy goal of increasing oil production globally to alleviate the exceptionally tight supply that is a cause of soaring prices.
The Iraqi Oil Ministry, through a spokesman, said the no-bid contracts were a stop-gap measure to bring modern skills into the fields while the oil law was pending in Parliament.
It said the companies had been chosen because they had been advising the ministry without charge for two years before being awarded the contracts, and because these companies had the needed technology.
A Shell spokeswoman hinted at the kind of work the companies might be engaged in. "We can confirm that we have submitted a conceptual proposal to the Iraqi authorities to minimize current and future gas flaring in the south through gas gathering and utilization," said the spokeswoman, Marnie Funk. "The contents of the proposal are confidential."
While small, the deals hold great promise for the companies.
"The bigger prize everybody is waiting for is development of the giant new fields," Leila Benali, an authority on Middle East oil at Cambridge Energy Research Associates, said in a telephone interview from the firm's Paris office. The current contracts, she said, are a "foothold" in Iraq for companies striving for these longer-term deals.
Any Western oil official who comes to Iraq would require heavy security, exposing the companies to all the same logistical nightmares that have hampered previous attempts, often undertaken at huge cost, to rebuild Iraq's oil infrastructure.
And work in the deserts and swamps that contain much of Iraq's oil reserves would be virtually impossible unless carried out solely by Iraqi subcontractors, who would likely be threatened by insurgents for cooperating with Western companies.
more here http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/19/africa/19iraq.php
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Re: RECREATE '68 [Re: blackegg]
#8580734 - 06/30/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I own shares of RDS.B and PEO. PEO is a closed end fund that includes integrated oil companies such as Exon, Shell and BP, and oil services stocks, etc. Please blame me for profiting from Iraqi oil, because I am. I enjoy being accused of being a neocon and American capitalist on this forum. It feeds my sadistic neocon ego knowing that I'm getting richer as the poor get poorer.
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Re: RECREATE '68 [Re: Luddite]
#8580824 - 06/30/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol, ok. Thats your right totally, and I'm proud of you for enjoying it.
As far as oil is concerned, your stocks should be at record high levels right now, since speculators feel justified putting such an outragious price on crude.
I do so enjoy the things and lifestyle capitalism has provided me, but I cannot help but look at how its dooming humanity to a cultural and evolutionary stale-mate. Capitalism has no place for morals, only logic. I don't believe humans are meant to live the way we do. It's not natural. But that opens a whole other can of maggots.
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dill705
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I do so enjoy the things and lifestyle capitalism has provided me, but I cannot help but look at how its dooming humanity to a cultural and evolutionary stale-mate. Capitalism has no place for morals, only logic. I don't believe humans are meant to live the way we do. It's not natural. But that opens a whole other can of maggots.

Consider the can opened.
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pff.. capitalism doesn't even have much room for logic
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Sure it does, fire the americans and move the factory to asia where you can make the product 1000 times cheaper and then sell it at 2/3's the price and get rich.
Sounds logical (and somewhat immoral) to me.
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Re: RECREATE '68 [Re: dill705]
#8582485 - 06/30/08 11:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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fire the americans and move the factory to asia where you can make the product 1000 times cheaper and then sell it at 2/3's the price and get rich.
If you ask me, the people who were working in the t-shirt factory before all the jobs got outsourced to Bangladesh should have gotten a fucking education so that they wouldn't be quite so screwed. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that trying to base a 21st century economy on a 19th century model is ever going to work. Whose fault it is that they don't have an education is an entirely different discussion.
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Re: RECREATE '68 [Re: thedefone]
#8582548 - 07/01/08 12:20 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ah, you bring up a very good point my friend. And yes, quite a different discussion than hippie sit ins at the DNC thing.
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Re: RECREATE '68 [Re: dill705]
#8583253 - 07/01/08 08:11 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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anarchists...you mean.
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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joekenorer
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Re: RECREATE '68 [Re: blackegg]
#8586855 - 07/02/08 06:17 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Certainly employees in these companies were happy or at least satiated with their job and didn't see any point in furthering their education, or just couldn't afford it. Either way, the job was lost with little to no time for them to prepare or get educated. In capitalism this is called "cutting clean".
A moral decision would have been to find a way to dampen the sting for the loyal ex-employees, via education opportunities, severence, or even just help finding another job. Of course the big companies have no obligation to undertake such moral actions, and therefore usually don't.
The crux of freedom is that we cannot force them to do these things, and we shouldn't. But they should do these things of their own accord anyway.
The only thing that can truly punish them, or at least enlighten them for what someone might find to be a "moral crime" is to stop doing business with them. If you already don't, then thats your vote. Because thats the only way to truly express your displeasure with those large companies in a way they find meaningful. Stop spending your money there. If others agree, try to get them to do the same.
It saddens me that it would have to come to that, but in capitalism, the profit margin takes precedence over everything. It has to in order to survive. All numbers and sums must either equalize or exponentiate.
In this light, the cliche' "machine" is really very accurate.
-------------------- My favorites are weeping willows, which aren't really weeping at all. They're very wispy, witty and will dance in the breeze with you. Nothing like a tree that wants to dance with you. Although it doesn't like its thin limbs being pulled at all, it absolutely LOVES it when you walk through them, letting them gently slide over your face and shoulders. If you're naked, the willow considers it to be sex. It will orgasm on your mind and you will blow dream chunks into outer space. All very fun until your neighbor sees you. -The Joekenorer
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Re: RECREATE '68 [Re: blackegg]
#8586922 - 07/02/08 07:24 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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blackegg said: END THE WAR NOW! END THE WAR NOW! NATIONAL CALL TO ACTION IN DENVER AT THE DNC! BE A PART OF HISTORY! COLORADO’S LARGEST ANTI-WAR PROTEST! The war is an Imperialist war not a Republican war! Now the Democrats want to control the Empire! We have pressured the party who started the war to no avail, now it’s time to pressure the party that may actually move to end this war. Join Troops Out Now!, Re-Create 68, and scores of other antiwar groups from across the country as we descend on Denver and focus our energy and resources to force a change in the direction of the country. Be a part of history! The protest will be kicked off by a special surprise perfomance by one of the most kickin’ bands in the country! Make Your Actions Matter! This is our chance to “Do It In Denver!” Free Housing, Free Food, Free Trainings, Free Health Care. The only thing missing is YOU! Sunday, 11 am, August 24th, Denver, Colorado at the Democratic National Convention For more info, visit www.recreate68.org
I live about 10 blocks away from the Pepsi Center and where the "protesters'" area is going to be. I can't wait to see these guys. It's gonna be hilarious. They are already protesting their protesting area!
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=94932&provider=top
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DENVER – To be seen and heard, or not to be seen and heard? That is the question as far as many protestors are concerned as we approach the 2008 Democratic National Convention. Advertisement
"It's kind of like if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it. Did the tree actually fall?" said Glenn Spagnuolo of Re-Create '68.
Spagnuolo says the analogy fits as far as he is concerned when talking about the "Public Demonstration Zone" (PDZ) set to go up in parking lot A at the Pepsi Center this August.
The PDZ he says is neither close enough to allow protestors to be heard nor close enough to allow them to be seen by the delegates expected to pour into the site during the 2008 DNC. Spagnuolo says the city has pledged to make the site close enough to allow delegates to "see and hear" the expected protestors.
He's tried himself to yell at friends going into the front of the Pepsi Center while standing within the proposed PDZ site.
It was an experiment that I, 9NEWS reporter Chris Vanderveen, tried to duplicate with a pair of volunteers.
As they stood close to the entrance of the Pepsi Center, Jeremy and Heather couldn't hear me when I yelled "hello" a number of times while standing within the PDZ. They could however barely hear a whistle I used.
Before you go wondering why in the world we would care about something like this, Spagnuolo says you should consider a lawsuit he and others have joined that is directed at the city.
By the end of the month a federal judge will consider whether the city is living up to its part of the bargain as far as protestors are concerned. She's even expected to visit the Pepsi Center to see for herself if the PDZ site is appropriate.
Protestors at the 2004 DNC PDZ in Boston often referred to that site as a cage. It was bordered with tall fences and, in some spots, barbed wire.
The city of Denver has said it intends to surround its PDZ with some sort of chain-link fence but does not intend on using any barbed wire.
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The PDZ he says is neither close enough to allow protestors to be heard nor close enough to allow them to be seen by the delegates expected to pour into the site during the 2008 DNC. Spagnuolo says the city has pledged to make the site close enough to allow delegates to "see and hear" the expected protestors.
HAHAH! What a douche! he actually wants the protest he's been planning for a year and a half to be heard!
Bwaaahahaha! What a tool!
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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