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My cake care/fruiting tek
    #8574947 - 06/28/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I always see people doing cakes and not getting what they should out of them.
I believe the way i treat and birth my cakes gives me a far superior result compared to the classic birth and case.
Over the years ive done more cakes then i can even think of and have learned much from them.
Ive tried about everything you can imagine.
I believe that i have found a way to get the most from a cake.
I take a few things ive learned over the years and apply it to my cakes.
"Scratching" allot of peeps from the old days know about the old theroy of this to stimulate pinning.
Also,"Dunking" which we know gives the water they need and is usually done after a first flush  where as i do it "pre" birth.
Also, i do not mess with a cassing.
Why most say,well because they are plenty moist going in and the scratching will help with all the Pinning  they need and no need for a place for contams to grow.
Besides its messy.
Many will find all this hard to believe it makes any difference because we all been tought to "case" and "handle with care" and so on.
I will prove this all untrue/unneeded.
This will be fun,,and i promise you will be amazed

First i wanna show a pic of a said cake.
Notice the very nice white fluff.
This is a reaction to the "scrating" of the cake and i believe serves as a cassing of its own as it allows for the forming of pins.
I will post pics as she grows.
You can already tell these will become fattys if you have the eye.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8574949 - 06/28/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8574958 - 06/28/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

This is a tray ready to go.
Its been dunked for about 8 hours and was scraped to hell with a knife and rinsed well under high pressure water.
Notice the only "cassing" if you will is a bunch of dampend paper towel underneath them.
And if your wondering bout there weird shapes its cause while scraping you will come across uncolinized areas that need to be scraped away or else you can get contams.
It is all worth it and is not allot of work at all.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8574965 - 06/28/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The next morning,,,notice how quikly they start fluffing up.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8574971 - 06/28/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Here is the chamber.
This has to be the easiest and best way to fruit.
All i do is mist its walls once and that it!
I do how ever check the paper towel to make sure it dosent get to dry.
If it needs it jus put a little tap water here and there to get it right.
I use the container that are half the depth of these as well.
I love having like 20 of these all stacked up.
You can fit about 20 cakes per tank.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8574990 - 06/28/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Today day 3 after birth.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8575006 - 06/28/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

No offense, but I don't know what you are trying to do here. Those napkins are a bad idea. You aren't going to get much out of those cakes that way. I'm not sure what you have going on there.

Those methods seem like they are pre-historic.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8575030 - 06/28/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

How could you forget to mention breaking up the PF cakes and 'spawning' them to bulk (Hpoo/Coir) and adding a 1/2'' casing layer of verm? Massive results compared to just fruiting on the cake.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: MarioTrip]
    #8575061 - 06/28/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I have had way better results using just the basic method. no offense though. whatever works for you, I'm sure everyone out there has there own way of doing things, i know i do.



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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8575090 - 06/28/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'm interested in seeing where this goes, though I don't know why you did not just post this all as one post.

Your description of technique also needs some improvement. There's no way you got all those funky shapes just by scraping off uncolonized portions of half pint BRF cakes. Why your cakes are so uncolonized in the first place bears examination. You also offer no detail as to your scraping tek. :confused:

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mad River]
    #8575107 - 06/28/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

How did you make those cakes?  Oddly shaped.  I would like to see some updated pics if/when they fruit.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: rick0909]
    #8575344 - 06/28/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, that is a hella waste of brf material


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #8575381 - 06/28/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Some look like a caveman's attempt at making a wheel.  Not even close to any cakes I have seen before.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: rick0909]
    #8575420 - 06/28/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Some look like a caveman's attempt at making a wheel.  Not even close to any cakes I have seen before.




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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8575423 - 06/28/08 07:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Some look like a caveman's attempt at making a wheel.  Not even close to any cakes I have seen before.




Hahahahaha




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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: MarioTrip]
    #8575650 - 06/28/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I see plenty of criticisms, but if it works it works. The guy isn't here asking for advice because his cakes won't fruit. He's detailing his method and saying it works like a charm.

Welcome nilla. As we know, the status quo isn't the only way to go!


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: psg1]
    #8575712 - 06/28/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I see plenty of criticisms, but if it works it works. The guy isn't here asking for advice because his cakes won't fruit. He's detailing his method and saying it works like a charm.

Welcome nilla. As we know, the status quo isn't the only way to go!




I'm witholding judgement. I was only criticizing his method of conveyance... I need more details about what he's done, and why break it up into multiple posts? Clearly this grow is not a work in progress; he posted all these pics minutes apart. It seems he's trying to present a Tek, but the meat is just not there. Not only that, but he's basically saying he has a better method than many people, but has failed to illustrate any results here.

"* I'm better than you.
* Here's some weird pictures.
* I'll prove it later."
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mad River]
    #8575722 - 06/28/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Kada]
    #8575811 - 06/28/08 10:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Its multiple post because im new posting here and was getting the hang of things.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8575824 - 06/28/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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No offense, but I don't know what you are trying to do here. Those napkins are a bad idea. You aren't going to get much out of those cakes that way. I'm not sure what you have going on there.

Those methods seem like they are pre-historic.




Been doing it for years this way.

I have grown some of the biggest shrooms this way.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mad River]
    #8575847 - 06/28/08 10:41 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Have you ever scraped into your cakes?
Well,when doing so you come across surface areas that are less fully colonized and mushy almost.
I scrape it till its gone .
Usually the cake is full healthy white mycel on the outsinde "due to injection points" and this layer will protect the inside while it grows more dense.
The scraping is done in the sink basicly like peeiling an apple.
Ill show more pics on it later.

Please just give this a chance.
No need to bash me.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8575996 - 06/28/08 11:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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No offense, but I don't know what you are trying to do here. Those napkins are a bad idea. You aren't going to get much out of those cakes that way. I'm not sure what you have going on there.

Those methods seem like they are pre-historic.




Pre-historic??
Why, cause its simple?
Napkins bad idea,,,mmmm,no
Not gonna get much for fruits,,,mmmmmmm,wrong.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8576003 - 06/28/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Let the person present their method, if nothing else it's interesting to see something different.

Like the wreck that just happened outside my house, I think the neighbor was having a get together and one of his guests pulled out into the street and then ran into my neighbor's parked car...doh!

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8576100 - 06/29/08 12:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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Some look like a caveman's attempt at making a wheel.  Not even close to any cakes I have seen before.




Hahahahaha




LOL :laugh:  That is classic.  Yeah at first I thought it was a donut.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: davidcoperfield]
    #8576253 - 06/29/08 02:06 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I have had way better results using just the basic method. no offense though. whatever works for you, I'm sure everyone out there has there own way of doing things, i know i do.






Better?
I would have to disagree.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8576369 - 06/29/08 03:15 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i don't know nilla....i am going to hold off on any judgments and hope that the shroom-gods bless you with a nice flush. maybe something like this..... <<<<<and that is only the first flush, many to come after. kat

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    #8576428 - 06/29/08 04:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: just me]
    #8576716 - 06/29/08 08:22 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

There's lots of substitutes for perlite.  I've used paper towels, and even damp cloth towels to provide humidity in a terrarium.  They work fine provided you replace them every few days, or if using cloth, simply run it through the washing machine.

Knock off the rude comments folks.  I've known Nilla for several years.  He does things a bit differently than I do, but nobody can argue with what works.  There's more than one way to do things. It's always nice to expand the knowledge base. :thumbup:
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8576879 - 06/29/08 10:17 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, like I said, I'm reserving judgement. I'm sure RR's endorsement will carry some weight.

Personally, I'd love to spell out SHROOMERY.COM! with a full flush of shrooms in nilla's funky ass cakes!
                                       

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mad River]
    #8576950 - 06/29/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Personally, I'd love to spell out SHROOMERY.COM! with a full flush of shrooms in nilla's funky ass cakes!
                                       




Now that would be awesome.  Sorry if I said anything that offended you Nilla.  When somebody does anything out of the ordinary criticism is to be expected.  How you choose to deal with it is what's important.  Prove me and everyone else wrong.  No hard feelings?  Looking forward to some fruiting pics.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: rick0909]
    #8576976 - 06/29/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

im curious as to how those cakes will turn out. they look cool btw. one question: why scrape the cakes? wouldn't you just be able to let them completely colonize in the jars? I'm not trying to critique you or anything , just im a curious newblar.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: ray40cal]
    #8577279 - 06/29/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Nilla I have seen the scrapping tek before with very good results. Maybe "old school" but if it works it works, right?


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mad River]
    #8577581 - 06/29/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey, like I said, I'm reserving judgement. I'm sure RR's endorsement will carry some weight.

Personally, I'd love to spell out SHROOMERY.COM! with a full flush of shrooms in nilla's funky ass cakes!
                                       


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: rugergirl79]
    #8577801 - 06/29/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Ok,the 3 cakes ive been showing with the fruits are growing as we speak and im using them to just show the size of fruits these put off.
Im "not" just taking pics of my "best" cakes.
Some are always gonna be better but these are just the only three fruiting now.
I will keep updates of the tray that is not fruiting.
Also thak you RR for giving me some credit;)
Ive been doing this for "YEARS" since most you were still in high school.
I know what "works" and "what" dose not.
So please dont turn this into a thread of how i "should" be doing things.
Please just take it for what its worth.

Here is a update of the three fruiting cakes.
Seriously,notice there size,inch thick stems are "not" common on cakes,,maybe bulk.
And if you have grown on poo/straw you will notice the pins get real fat and bloated "a sign of good things too come".
These do the same.
I will be also posting some cakes done the "normal case way" to show the difference.




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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8577875 - 06/29/08 04:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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On 06/28/08 nilla said:
Today day 3 after birth.




Then...
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On 06/29/08 nilla said:
Ok,the 3 cakes ive been showing with the fruits are growing as we speak and im using them to just show the size of fruits these put off.
Im "not" just taking pics of my "best" cakes.
Some are always gonna be better but these are just the only three fruiting now.
I will keep updates of the tray that is not fruiting.
Also thak you RR for giving me some credit;)
Ive been doing this for "YEARS" since most you were still in high school.
I know what "works" and "what" dose not.
So please dont turn this into a thread of how i "should" be doing things.
Please just take it for what its worth.

Here is a update of the three fruiting cakes.
Seriously,notice there size,inch thick stems are "not" common on cakes,,maybe bulk.
And if you have grown on poo/straw you will notice the pins get real fat and bloated "a sign of good things too come".
These do the same.
I will be also posting some cakes done the "normal case way" to show the difference.








I'm confused. These can't be the same cakes, right? [Nevermind. I read it again. These are different cakes.]Did you mention what strain this is? First flush?

Those shrooms are fucking monsters. :eek:

(Thanks rugergirl!)

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mad River]
    #8577896 - 06/29/08 04:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yes first flush.
These are the fruits from the beganing of the thread.
And yes HUGE!
The 5 incher's will prolly end up being 8 inch's or more when picked.
These are actually a border line good flush compared to what i usually get from a cake.

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    #8578024 - 06/29/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Are those 1 pint cakes?


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8578083 - 06/29/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Some are and some are not.
Its hard to say with how much i remove some times.
But yes pint.
I dont use the classic Ball glass mason jars.
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578132 - 06/29/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The clear plastic with blue lids? I've used those before. I had big fruits, but I thought it was because the substrate was bigger. I don't scrape my cakes with a knife, but I scrape them very good with my finger nails while I'm cleaning them off prior to and after dunking. Check out pics of my cakes under my ratings. The only thing that stumped me was using napkins instead of perlite. I know that napkins, along with misting the rest of the FC will work, but napkins get funky every 2 or 3 days and need to be replaced. Just seems like extra work as opposed to throwing some perlite in and not messing with it until after the grow.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8578159 - 06/29/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I dont change the napkins till there done fruiting;)
Point is this.

Its simple as hell,no mess,no over thought out chamber with foggers/perlite/florecence lights exc,exc..

Napkins down,cakes on,spray once,and check everyday to give air.
Thats it.
"Plus" the scraping and prebirth dunking lead to "BIG" shrooms!
O,,and no cassing.
I will never case a cake.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578179 - 06/29/08 06:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I to prefer cakes. I don't know if it's because they just work for me very well, or if i just don't like to replace my methods, but i will prob never case. I just know i will end up with contaims. So far i have been lucky and have never had to throw out a cake.

I just realized that i scrape my cakes a little when i am rinsing them after a 24 hour dunk. I just did that between my 1st and second flush. I scraped off anything loose that was on my cake, then i dunked, rinsed, and rolled in verm again. they end up all blue from me handling them, but it works for me.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578189 - 06/29/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Snype
Your grows are very nice;)
Please dont take this the wrong way but,,one of these big boys prolly wieghs about half of what a total weight of your flushes per cake.
Not being rude in anyway.
Lets just see what the weight/size of these will be.;)

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578210 - 06/29/08 06:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, but with big mushrooms, you just have to eat more to get the same affect. More small mushies are much better than a few big ones any day IMO. Unless you are trying to get some weight for sales or whatever.

I have grown cakes with shrooms like that. I just don't prefer it. Any time you are fruiting 1 pint cakes your shrooms will be bigger than those of a 1/2pint cake. More substrate = bigger fruits.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Kada]
    #8578221 - 06/29/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I to prefer cakes. I don't know if it's because they just work for me very well, or if i just don't like to replace my methods, but i will prob never case. I just know i will end up with contaims. So far i have been lucky and have never had to throw out a cake.

I just realized that i scrape my cakes a little when i am rinsing them after a 24 hour dunk. I just did that between my 1st and second flush. I scraped off anything loose that was on my cake, then i dunked, rinsed, and rolled in verm again. they end up all blue from me handling them, but it works for me.




I believe cakes are the best as well.
Why?
Well once there done colonizing there good to go.
No having to spawn and wait and risk contaming things.
Plus if one fails chances are you have allot more cakes and who cares.
If a spawn run or cassing flat contams your pretty fucked.
I love cakes.
I use to do 20 containers like this with about 20 cakes per tank and i put out about a half pound dry a week,,,no shitting!
I never even bothered dunking.
I gtossed em out cause i had no room or time to deal with 2nd flush's there were a ton of cakes waiting in line to take there spot.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8578242 - 06/29/08 06:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, but with big mushrooms, you just have to eat more to get the same affect. More small mushies are much better than a few big ones any day IMO. Unless you are trying to get some weight for sales or whatever.

I have grown cakes with shrooms like that. I just don't prefer it. Any time you are fruiting 1 pint cakes your shrooms will be bigger than those of a 1/2pint cake. More substrate = bigger fruits.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/pid/635296/imgpl/3/imgpp/12




Your trying to apply the fact that im using pint size cakes as being the reason for this kind of success??
Im well aware of "bigger" sub leading to "bigger" shrooms hence "Bulk poo/straw".
These are still doing better then what i see around the net on pints.
And what you usually see are peoples "best" cake pics.
These are just three random cakes.
I would be more then happy to take a challenge of most weight per cake.
Although thats not waht i want here,i just want others to see that more is not always better.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578265 - 06/29/08 06:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Almost every cake I make has a pinset like that. I have some PE with massive pinsets. Probably going to post pics tomorrow. Anyway, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest. Just saying that big shrooms on a cake might not be a good thing depending on how you look at it. Bigger means fewer. Bigger generally have the same potency as smaller. Plus, you are obviously going to have bigger shrooms on a cake that is twice as big as what most people use. Just my thoughts. I'll leave you alone now and good luck.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578340 - 06/29/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I'm failing to see why your cakes are any better than anyone else's.  As I'm sure many are wondering.  Just because you are scratching and not casing means you are getting bigger better fruits?  I don't see the logic.  You're getting bigger fruits because you are getting less of them because you are not casing them.  And you are probably getting less in the long run because you are cutting parts of the cakes out. 

I'm interested in seeing where this goes too.  And I hope you don't take offense, but if you post something like this on a public forum that is so different than that of the very well proven dunk and case or dunk and roll, then the burden is placed on you to answer these logical questions.  I've seen your work before.  You used to be around mycotopia a lot in the early years and have recently made your way back, so much respect is given, but many questions quickly flood the mind.

1. Why are you having to cut out parts of the cakes?  Why not let them colonize 100%?

2. Have you ever cased a cake or dunked and rolled without the scratching? 

A properly D/R'ed or dunked and cased cake (pasteurized verm w/proper FAE) will, on average, produce extremely satisfying results.  Contamination is unlikely if clean casing material and proper FAE is used.  Scratching the cakes and exposing uncolonized substrate is far riskier than simply casing a fully colonized one.  What if you don't clean all the uncolonized substrate off?

I understand that this is just another way of doing it, but claiming that it is better than a tried and true method done by possibly thousands of satisfied growers is not going to be without it's criticisms.

And people criticizing your way of doing things is a way of them trying to help you along to possibly better your methods.  I don't know how many times I thought I was concrete in my methods and resisted changing them by those trying to constructively nudge me along in the right direction to improve my flushes.  And almost every time I was surprised and enlightened to find out they were right.  If we criticize you, it's simply to help you be a better grower.  That's what these forums are all about.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578384 - 06/29/08 07:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Could you please give some details on your scraping method? Detailed details? :grin:

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: billyboy36]
    #8578402 - 06/29/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Normally the cakes will pin like crazy.
These like i said are just three and are not the best.
Some strains even respond to this better.

Yes,i have cased and dont like it.
Yes these could have been more colonized but i was impatient want some for the fourth and i will;).
But still you will come across areas that are over saturated fro the dunk or are uncolonized while scrating em and needs to be removed to avoid contaming.
Im not sure why it yeilds more but it does.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578500 - 06/29/08 07:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Some scrating pics here.
I bassicly cut the verm part right off.
I then scrape accross it to rough it up.
Then i take the knife and hold it sideways and scrape around the sides till all the white is gone.
I leave the base of the cake alone cause it can contam having it exposed and no air inbetween it and the napkin.

Then i birth.
Few days later they get crazy mycel fuff and usually pin like crazy.
Like i said,some strains love it more then others.
Ive been trying to figure ouyt this strain i grew for ever ago .
It would pin every inch ot the cake.
I think it was "Mystery FatAss"??








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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578660 - 06/29/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks. Seems crazy... I have a couple of cakes dunking right now that I was going to roll in verm and introduce to the FC later tonight. What do you think of doing this after a dunk?

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mad River]
    #8578666 - 06/29/08 08:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanks. Seems crazy... I have a couple of cakes dunking right now that I was going to roll in verm and introduce to the FC later tonight. What do you think of doing this after a dunk?




What do you mean "do this"?
My scraping prebirth tek?

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578669 - 06/29/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

If so,i always dunk before i scrape.I just clean em well first getting off loose verm under sink then fill back up with water and dunk for 8 mhours,,then apply the scrape method to em and rub with my hands well to get all loose stuff off under sink.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578672 - 06/29/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yes. Scrape instead of case.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mad River]
    #8578694 - 06/29/08 08:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Try it,,what can it hurt?
Can you post pics if you do it?
If ypou decide to use napkins make sure there not real wet.
I usually will spray the lid with a good amout of bleach/h20 and lay the napkins on the wet lid then mist ontop the napkins with the bleach water till there nice and wet "not soaked".
They should get bright and white in the next day or two.
If they dont it means you have not scraped them well enough.
Signs of this will be a cake with some white fluff and patch's of none fluff.
It takes some time to get it right but once you see and know what to look for youll be golden.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578702 - 06/29/08 08:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Not trying to hijack your thread, but this is what i got last couple nights off my cakes. Lots of mushies, not to many monsters. I don't see why i would want to bother with casings, when i get great results and never any contaims with cakes. Im sure casing has its advantages, but so do cakes. I will defend cakes honor with my sword sirs!

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578706 - 06/29/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I was thinking of putting it on a wet napkin inside of my Shotgun FC. Do you think that will have an effect? Have you measured the RH in your napkin FC? If I do it, I will take pics.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Kada]
    #8578711 - 06/29/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Not trying to hijack your thread, but this is what i got last couple nights off my cakes. Lots of mushies, not to many monsters.






And that is a pint like mine but "different" shape correct?

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mad River]
    #8578725 - 06/29/08 08:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I was thinking of putting it on a wet napkin inside of my Shotgun FC. Do you think that will have an effect? Have you measured the RH in your napkin FC? If I do it, I will take pics.





I cant recommend any other way of doing it as i dont know if it will be the same out come.
Good luck though if you try it.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8578923 - 06/29/08 09:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: davidcoperfield]
    #8579015 - 06/29/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

As you can tell im "bored".
Im waiting for my job at a barber shop to start "im a barber" and thats why i have so much free time.

Anyway,i wanted to post this.
This is the cake only 9 hours later.
Its already put on another inch.
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579260 - 06/29/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah. Mine are brf dunked and then rolled in verm.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579266 - 06/29/08 11:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I decided to give your tek, or at least parts of it, a shot. You can check it out here. :yesnod:

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mad River]
    #8579323 - 06/30/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

wow this is extremly interesting. have you tried cubensis blue meanies using this method. because i got some cakes that will prob be finished by this up comming weekend and am interested in tryin this method


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8579330 - 06/30/08 12:10 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

and what about other cakes not just brf cakes? have you tried any other substrate? and if so what method and results?


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8579334 - 06/30/08 12:18 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Only have done this with brf jars.
Yes,some strains react crazy to this.
I said awhile back that "Mystery fat ass" if thats what they were even called "cant remember".
But they were crazy as hell.
I know Texans pin insane like this.
And EQ,SA,B+ seem to do more of the fat ones oppose to having a bunch of pins.
Ive grown SA's on cakes that are as long as my fore arm with caps the size of baseballs "around".

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579371 - 06/30/08 12:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

you ever do PE it would be interesting to see some big weiners hanging of there haha


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Kada]
    #8579372 - 06/30/08 12:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't see why i would want to bother with casings, when i get great results and never any contaims with cakes. Im sure casing has its advantages, but so do cakes. I will defend cakes honor with my sword sirs!






this is why bulk rules...



1st flush, 1 monotub...  think if you had 10 of these mono's? look up some of largedoses' posts.  their is no way fruiting cakes as cakes can compete.  cakes are great ways imo to get good prints easily and to test out a print.

when i used to break up cakes and spawn them i never ever had any uncolonized portions of the cake in the middle.  that's why we wait for a week or so after full colonization for the mycelium to colonize the center of the cake.  but if it works for you it works.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: blood4blood]
    #8579377 - 06/30/08 12:42 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

ya bulk dose produce more i have to say that thats what i do when i need a large ammount but when i want some personlas i like cakes i dunno why i just like how it looks i guess


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    #8579389 - 06/30/08 12:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't see why i would want to bother with casings, when i get great results and never any contaims with cakes. Im sure casing has its advantages, but so do cakes. I will defend cakes honor with my sword sirs!






this is why bulk rules...



1st flush, 1 monotub...  think if you had 10 of these mono's? look up some of largedoses' posts.  their is no way fruiting cakes as cakes can compete.  cakes are great ways imo to get good prints easily and to test out a print.

when i used to break up cakes and spawn them i never ever had any uncolonized portions of the cake in the middle.  that's why we wait for a week or so after full colonization for the mycelium to colonize the center of the cake.  but if it works for you it works.




I already stated that i rushed them to have some for the fourth of July.
Thats why we had some uncolonized areas.
As you can see from the pic of how to scrape it is about perfect and this is how they usually are.
Im willing to bet that what i can put in cakes in a container the same size as your monos that i will have more weight in the end.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579401 - 06/30/08 12:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Cakes are better i believe.
Bulk,your colonizing spawn waiting for that, then spawning to sub waiting for that,then while thats running your praying for no contams.
If it does your out a ton of shit.
Then once colinized you wait for fruits.
Lots of time, materials,and risk of failure.
Cakes now,colonize,then birth!
If one fails you have many more and can rid one easier then salting or pulling contamed substrate out of a cassing.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579403 - 06/30/08 12:56 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

that would be somthin to see. i am curious which method is better.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8579430 - 06/30/08 01:07 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

im not saying cakes dont work well. your pinsets just dont look that impressive for all this "scrapeing" work.  below are some pics of cakes that are stacked courtesy of the man himself FAHTSTER!  im not trying to bash you at all man its cool your trying something new and innovative but there is alot of work that goes into cakes also and if you follow proper sterile procedures contamination should never be an issue

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8120056#8120056


and basically the time periods are the same except maybe 4-5 days while your waiting for your spawn to colonize your bulk.  but if you wait that extra week after your cake is fully colonized on the outside then actually bulk would be faster by a couple of days

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579441 - 06/30/08 01:14 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Both have their ups and downs like anything else.  The time comparison is about the same.  bulk takes about 10 days for grains, then about 10 days to colonize bulk sub and then about a week to fruit.  So both take about a month.  Grains have the advantage of being shaken.  You can use more inoculate with cakes to speed up the process, but so can you with grains.  Bulk with the proper pasteurization methods and good spawn ratio are pretty damn hard to contaminate.  As long as you don't suffocate the thing.  Cakes do have the advantage of being separate entities of each other, but that also means more time in inoculation holes and dunking individually.  Plus rye prep is like the easiest thing on the planet.  Doesn't get easier than rye.  We've all seen some pretty bad ass things done with both cakes and bulk.  It doesn't matter what weapon you choose, just that you kick some ass with it.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: blood4blood]
    #8579450 - 06/30/08 01:16 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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im not saying cakes dont work well. your pinsets just dont look that impressive for all this "scrapeing" work.  below are some pics of cakes that are stacked courtesy of the man himself FAHTSTER!  im not trying to bash you at all man its cool your trying something new and innovative but there is alot of work that goes into cakes also and if you follow proper sterile procedures contamination should never be an issue

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8120056#8120056


and basically the time periods are the same except maybe 4-5 days while your waiting for your spawn to colonize your bulk.  but if you wait that extra week after your cake is fully colonized on the outside then actually bulk would be faster by a couple of days




Mine are usually filled similiar to those but no stacking.
And,yes i still believe i get more then that.
Look at one of my cakes and imagine 24 of them,,hmmmm crazyness.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579459 - 06/30/08 01:19 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The scraping i believe is also responsable for stimulating these to make huge fruits.
Not just pinning.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579520 - 06/30/08 01:53 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Wonder how big these will get...


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579523 - 06/30/08 01:56 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Mine are usually filled similiar to those but no stacking.
And,yes i still believe i get more then that.
Look at one of my cakes and imagine 24 of them,,hmmmm crazyness.




well, one would hope so since you are using pint cakes.  the amount of fruit is relative to the amount and care of the substrate.  It just doesn't make sense that scraping is producing more and bigger fruits.  The size of the fruit is more closely related to the strain you choose and amount of pins and the substrate.  I could understand the argument better if you were adding something to the initial recipe beyond the basic pf formula.  You're comparing your pint cakes to the standard 1/2 pint cakes and saying yours do better.  There is no comparison, of course yours are going to out perform because they are twice the size.

And if you actually have 20 bins of 20 of your cakes going, you should be getting FAR more than the amount per week you stated.  even with your cakes producing a modest 10 gms per pint in the first flush alone.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: billyboy36]
    #8579542 - 06/30/08 02:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Mine are usually filled similiar to those but no stacking.
And,yes i still believe i get more then that.
Look at one of my cakes and imagine 24 of them,,hmmmm crazyness.




well, one would hope so since you are using pint cakes.  the amount of fruit is relative to the amount and care of the substrate.  It just doesn't make sense that scraping is producing more and bigger fruits.  The size of the fruit is more closely related to the strain you choose and amount of pins and the substrate.  I could understand the argument better if you were adding something to the initial recipe beyond the basic pf formula.  You're comparing your pint cakes to the standard 1/2 pint cakes and saying yours do better.  There is no comparison, of course yours are going to out perform because they are twice the size.

And if you actually have 20 bins of 20 of your cakes going, you should be getting FAR more than the amount per week you stated.  even with your cakes producing a modest 10 gms per pint in the first flush alone.




Never did try to compare to 1/2 pints,,many use pints these days anyway.
Still show me a "random" three cakes that do this well.
Most post there best cakes,these are just the three that are fruiting now.
Not my "best"
Do you reeally know enough to say sratching the cakes has no effect on growth??
Tell me why i can produce more weight of a pint with "NO" cassing then most with a cassing...

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579546 - 06/30/08 02:08 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Also the weight i said was an estimate and it was long ago and mostly 1/2 pints.

Why are you so trying to find flaws??
Funny how people rip on things they cant understand:tongue:

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579560 - 06/30/08 02:22 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

it's been known for years that scratching helps promote pinning on a heavily matted mycelium which is what a cake basically is.  That's why people case; to promote aerial growth and a micro climate for pin formation.  That's what scratching is doing as most pins form in the divots made from a deep scratch.  it has it's merits, don't get me wrong.  But it also has it's downfalls.  You're wounding your healthy cakes.  And you can't water a scratch if you need to.  scratching is nothing new.  I'll leave ya alone and let you do your thing, I just wanted to bring some points to light that begged for reflection.

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Still show me a "random" three cakes that do this well.
Most post there best cakes,these are just the three that are fruiting now.




I believe there are 120 in that link Blood4Blood posted.  I'm not sure if dude scratched those or not, but I doubt it.  They look to be cased.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: billyboy36]
    #8579573 - 06/30/08 02:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

So why do you not see fat ass shrooms coming off everones cakes?
I know strain has an impact but shit i see case pint B+ that are small as could be.
Why am i producing huge shrooms?
Less pins= bigger "less" fruits,,,i dont really buy that.
I see cased cakes all the time that have hardly any pins and still nothing compared to the size i get.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: billyboy36]
    #8579576 - 06/30/08 02:35 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Why are you so trying to find flaws??
Funny how people rip on things they cant understand




lol tell that to a scientist and he'll laugh in your face.

sifting through the flaws is what excels progress.  If someone can't understand something, there's a chance it wasn't explained clearly enough.

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I see cased cakes all the time that have hardly any pins and still nothing compared to the size i get.




so what exactly are you doing that is all that different?  the scratching?  I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.  But that's fine.  Carry on.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: billyboy36]
    #8579586 - 06/30/08 02:40 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Why are you so trying to find flaws??
Funny how people rip on things they cant understand




lol tell that to a scientist and he'll laugh in your face.

sifting through the flaws is what excels progress.  If someone can't understand something, there's a chance it wasn't explained clearly enough.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8579714 - 06/30/08 05:40 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

now i see why hippie3 had a problem with you  :chillpill:


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    #8580071 - 06/30/08 09:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

As much as I think new and innovative methods are essential to all studies, one has to be humble in doing so.  There is no "best," and as soon as you think you did something the best, it's only a matter of time until something improved comes along.  Mycology changes rapidly, and that's the irony of progress. 

Acting superior and saying others aren't smart enough to grasp your concepts takes a lot away from what you are trying to prove in the first place.  Lead by example, not glorification.

That aside, I think scratching has been around for awhile, and been said that it forces the mycelium to expend its energy healing rather than in pin and fruit production.  Cakes v casings and fewer bigger shrooms v smaller more shrooms is an opinion.  I think potency of fruits from cakes varies more than from casings IMO.

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    #8580162 - 06/30/08 10:33 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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As much as I think new and innovative methods are essential to all studies, one has to be humble in doing so.  There is no "best," and as soon as you think you did something the best, it's only a matter of time until something improved comes along.  Mycology changes rapidly, and that's the irony of progress. 

Acting superior and saying others aren't smart enough to grasp your concepts takes a lot away from what you are trying to prove in the first place.  Lead by example, not glorification.



That aside, I think scratching has been around for awhile, and been said that it forces the mycelium to expend its energy healing rather than in pin and fruit production.  Cakes v casings and fewer bigger shrooms v smaller more shrooms is an opinion.  I think potency of fruits from cakes varies more than from casings IMO.

Keep up the good work, and keep us updated with how your grow goes.  If it turns out this is the best way to do cakes, then I'm sure you'll be in RR's next video, as you two are old friends.  Peace :sunny:






couldn't agree more. thats the best part of mycology, there is not one way of doing things, or no one "Best" way, thats the only way progress continues, by experimenting and finding methods that work for you.
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: davidcoperfield]
    #8580298 - 06/30/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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now i see why hippie3 had a problem with you  :chillpill:





I have been attacked since i first posted here so im sure you can see why im defensive.
Im sorry.
Im not saying its the best method.
I would love to know myself why it does what it does.
Anyway lets keep this chill as you say.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8580307 - 06/30/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Any way,here are some pics from today.
I will be picking and weighing the big boys on the right.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8580362 - 06/30/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Ok,just picked the two.

Here they are.
Keep in mind there is plenty more on that cake left.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8580451 - 06/30/08 02:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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now i see why hippie3 had a problem with you  :chillpill:





I have been attacked since i first posted here so im sure you can see why im defensive.
Im sorry.
Im not saying its the best method.
I would love to know myself why it does what it does.
Anyway lets keep this chill as you say.




I don't know why but that's what happens everyone just attacks, when I was new I got ass raped in here then got banned and raped some more.... anyway you seem like you know what your doing and welcome keep up the posts and pics they look amazing

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Juke Adro]
    #8580478 - 06/30/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Cook off huh....lol
Id be down:cool:

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8580836 - 06/30/08 04:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

send a PM to snype and see if he is in


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8580852 - 06/30/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Final "first" flush from the 1 cake on the right of picture.
Ill post dry weight later.

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    #8581026 - 06/30/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8581194 - 06/30/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Show me what you got on 1/2 pints, which is the standard size for cakes. If I like it, I'll make some cakes just for you. LOL

I've got some PE cakes that have wicked pinsets. I can't post pics for a couple days though. My good camera is with the wife in MI. I have some old 3.2 MP Samsung that pissed me off so bad I threw it in the trash this morning.

I'm going to see if a friend will let be barrow his camera for a few.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8581211 - 06/30/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You got it.
I use to do this with 1/2 pints till i mastered bigger cakes.
I even do 2 pint or bigger cakes.
The 1/2 pints will still get down,,ill do some up for ya;)
MI huh?
I lived most my life there.
Just moved to the damn desert AZ.
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8581220 - 06/30/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Always wanted to try PE the way i do.
I think i could grow some logs!
Can i put a dib on a print??
Had some of my best trips on pe.
I can hook you up some how im sure.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8581225 - 06/30/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, my wife was born in raised in MI. Close to Flint. It took her a long time to get used to Texas weather. She still bitches every summer LOL. I would have went with her, but my idea of a vacation is NOT hanging out with in-laws. More like 2 weeks of hell.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8581233 - 06/30/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Uh-o Flint town....lol
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8581252 - 06/30/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Not to change my thread but..
Do you know much about the Bufu Alvarious?
Figured you might have em too??
Anyway,I always wanted one,,,"not to lick" but they had em at BBB for like $300.
Just the other day it rained here and what do you know,,there every where jumping all over...
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8581287 - 06/30/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, you are going to shit your pants. I have about 50 of those toads on my front and back porch every night. It gets to the point where you have to watch where you step.

Kinda funny, my mom has this fattass dog that they have been trying to get to lose weight. It might be the fattest dog in the world LOL. Anyway they put it on some special diet. The damn food is almost $50 a bag. The dog kept getting fatter and fatter. They finally realized it has been eating those toads every night.


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    #8581295 - 06/30/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

They make good pets?

Holy shit, you can lick the things and trip or what? That is some crazy shit. No wonder the fat dog likes to eat them. Probably hooked on the damn things.


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    #8581328 - 06/30/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Dude, you are going to shit your pants. I have about 50 of those toads on my front and back porch every night. It gets to the point where you have to watch where you step.

Kinda funny, my mom has this fattass dog that they have been trying to get to lose weight. It might be the fattest dog in the world LOL. Anyway they put it on some special diet. The damn food is almost $50 a bag. The dog kept getting fatter and fatter. They finally realized it has been eating those toads every night.




LOLOLO,,,Yeah right!!,lol
Eating the toads?
Thats some funny ass shit.
Is he all fucked up,lol??
Yes they make great pets.
They have receantly passed some law i heard about owning them..
I read some story here in az where a guy actully got raided!
Charged with manufacturing Hulucinagenics..Crazy!
I believe if you own so many is how it is charged??
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    #8581346 - 06/30/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Specialized multi-cellular glands concentrated on the neck and limbs of B. alvarius produce a viscous milky-white venom that contains large amounts of the potent hallucinogen, 5-MEO-DMT. When vaporized by heat and taken into the lungs in the form of smoke, this indole-based alkaloid produces an incredibly intense psychedelic experience of incredibly short duration. There is no hangover or harmful effect. On the contrary, a pleasant psychedelic afterglow appears quite regularly after smoking the venom of B. alvarius, the Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert.

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    #8581348 - 06/30/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

When I get a camera I will take some pics. I had no idea they had psycoactive properties. They are truly a pest around these parts. There are so many of them. Not as many as there used to be however. I remember a few year ago, they would be all over everyones front yard. I saw a huge one just the other night. Probably the biggest I've ever seen. It was almost the size of a softball. If I see a big one like that tonight, I'll dig the old camera out of the trash. It will be a shitty pic though.


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    #8581357 - 06/30/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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    #8581379 - 06/30/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

more power to you nilla, sounds like you know what you're doing, im kind of confused at scratching the cake though and those"uncolonized parts".  also the weird shaped caked, they don't seem like they wouldn't fruit but do they fruit differntly from regular cake lookin cakes?

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    #8581383 - 06/30/08 06:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I've heard of scratching substrates before. I just never understood the science behind it.


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more power to you nilla, sounds like you know what you're doing, im kind of confused at scratching the cake though and those"uncolonized parts".  also the weird shaped caked, they don't seem like they wouldn't fruit but do they fruit differntly from regular cake lookin cakes?



I know theres allot to read but i did say the reasons for the uncolonized parts was due to me rushing the cakes spo i could have some fourth of july visuals.
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8581411 - 06/30/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok,just picked the two.

Here they are.
Keep in mind there is plenty more on that cake left.






jesus thats no joke!:thumbup: haha well hey if it works for you all the more power, im sure seeing these results more people will try it out! I wasn't trying to offend you or anything just think you shouldn't be calling people stupid and all... happy growing!;)


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    #8581429 - 06/30/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

whooooaaaah. I have plans for fourth of july too, i tripped on new years of 08 for my first time, fireworks are amazing.  just the fact that everyone in my neighborhood was up all night lighting explosives gave me an awesome 1st trip

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8581431 - 06/30/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I've heard of scratching substrates before. I just never understood the science behind it.




Scratching the surface is suppose to theroredicly minipulate the nature of things,,,i think.
I nature you have the grass and leaves that form a blanket if you will for a nice humid enviroment for mushies to grow.
Well,scrating makes valleys all through the cake that minipulate these grass,verm like areas that promote growth.
But i think it does more the n this as we can see.
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: davidcoperfield]
    #8581437 - 06/30/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok,just picked the two.

Here they are.
Keep in mind there is plenty more on that cake left.






jesus thats no joke!:thumbup: haha well hey if it works for you all the more power, im sure seeing these results more people will try it out! I wasn't trying to offend you or anything just think you shouldn't be calling people stupid and all... happy growing!;)




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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8581443 - 06/30/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

And yes im drunk and cant spell:tongue:

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8583686 - 07/01/08 11:11 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

sweet mother of god. You could dry those and cause blunt force trauma.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: ray40cal]
    #8584127 - 07/01/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You can't deny that method, especially with those results. Wicked awesome. :congrats:
I know that fungi isn't the same, hardly at all, as any photosynthesizing plant, but it seems comparable to the results of scraping a fruiting plant.
By removing some of the living matter, it causes threat to the organism and seemingly increases the production of fruits.
Logical parallel? Or just an interesting coincidence? - I think I'll do this to my cakes, it couldn't hurt either way.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: blood4blood]
    #8584161 - 07/01/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't see why i would want to bother with casings, when i get great results and never any contaims with cakes. Im sure casing has its advantages, but so do cakes. I will defend cakes honor with my sword sirs!






this is why bulk rules...



1st flush, 1 monotub...  think if you had 10 of these mono's? look up some of largedoses' posts.  their is no way fruiting cakes as cakes can compete.  cakes are great ways imo to get good prints easily and to test out a print.

when i used to break up cakes and spawn them i never ever had any uncolonized portions of the cake in the middle.  that's why we wait for a week or so after full colonization for the mycelium to colonize the center of the cake.  but if it works for you it works.



I had 3 brf 1/2 pint cakes. The first flush got me exactly a half ounce dry. Thats not bad. I just don't want the off chance that i grow bulk and lose a whole monotub from contaims.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Kada]
    #8584189 - 07/01/08 02:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I want to club a baby seal with those first two monster he was showing. That's amazing. :laugh:


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8584207 - 07/01/08 02:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

did you split the stems ? it looks like you did in the pick of them drying


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8584731 - 07/01/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok,just picked the two.

Here they are.
Keep in mind there is plenty more on that cake left.






Nilla...that is impressive as fuck!!!!  very nice!! congrats on the fat ass fruits from your scraping tek.  wasnt sure if it worked, but i think you proved many people on the shroomery.  Sorry that you got alot of junk talked to you in your thread, people tend to give negative feedback when you try something different from the mainstream ideas.  <<<that is just life.
Anyways, keep us updated on your awesome fruits and have a great week!! kat.  ps. you get five from me...:mushroom2:

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: rugergirl79]
    #8585360 - 07/01/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks everyone!
Yes i split the shrooms to dry them more fast.

Update,,,,today!
Hungover "as always" and sorry but i and my girl ate the shrooms so no dry weight for you...

But look what the other two did for us.



Need i say more;)

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8585582 - 07/01/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

And for who ever it was that said im only gowing a "few huge ones oppose to a ton of little ones??
I guess this proves that one wrong!
I will be posting the tray from the beganing of thread.
Its starting to pin:grin:

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8586065 - 07/01/08 10:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8586324 - 07/01/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Looks real sweet. I'm a Noob without any grows to my name, (I think I got a bad syringe). But I was wondering, how many times a day do you offer FAE to the shrooms in your FC? From reading the posts, it seemed like you 'take them for a walk' only once a day. If that's true, how long do you let them breath before you cover them back up?
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8586340 - 07/01/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I only open them once or twice for a minute just to enjoy them then close back up.
Thanks for the welcome;)
Yes,it is "hella" hot here.
Im actually wanting to go back too MI.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8586369 - 07/01/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I only open them once or twice for a minute just to enjoy them then close back up.
Thanks for the welcome;)
Yes,it is "hella" hot here.
Im actually wanting to go back too MI.




You'll get used to it after a while, but every summer it seems like I have to get used to it again. I just spent 6k on a new AC system. My house is only 6 years old and they put some POS AC in it. Damned thing was running non-stop all day.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8586409 - 07/01/08 11:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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HoleSnype said: You'll get used to it after a while, but every summer it seems like I have to get used to it again. I just spent 6k on a new AC system. My house is only 6 years old and they put some POS AC in it. Damned thing was running non-stop all day.




Yeah, that sucks! We spend $350.00 mo. because we have to use our AC right now. We have a swamp cooler as well, ($100.00 for pads!), but it's too damned humid to run it during summer monsoons!  Save that receipt for Uncle Sam. That's a nice write-off.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8586923 - 07/02/08 07:24 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hi Nilla, my apologies for everyone attacking you. Folks at the Shroomery tend to get rather xenophobic when confronted with anything new. Stick with it and perhaps some people will learn something new. This is a forum for learning after all.

Much respect for sticking with what you believe in and what works for you. Maybe it's better if you don't state that your way is better, rather that is is just an alternative that has worked better for yourself personally. Might cop less flack that way. At any rate welcome (back?) to the Shroomery.:thumbup:

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: wisp]
    #8587020 - 07/02/08 08:34 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

WOW! Very nice Nilla!!


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: MarioTrip]
    #8587195 - 07/02/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

golden words tripsis :smile: ^^

but you see nilla, as you say cakes are faster the spawning and other stuff, they does but comparesing the yield spawn and bulk this 2 guys take the lead xD

I know i know... contams... if you make all good and you have just little bit XP the same time you waste on cakes you can do bulk and get the fuck of shrooms... :P


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: dstark]
    #8587246 - 07/02/08 10:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Nilla you are starting to slowly become my next mentor!!! That is some amazing results. I was very pessimistic when you first posted it. I would be stupid now to argue w/ those type of results off a cake. That is in Fu$*#*% Credible. I will end up probably trying your method(Tek) as well in the future. Thanks for sharing this with us all. :mushroom2:


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8587274 - 07/02/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The amazing results cause this:

I will quote myself lol ^^ (posted in other post)

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The reason nilla gets big fruits is this:

The myc take water from the paper towlet this cause huge and masive flushes!
You can same put your cakes on wet vermiculite and they will take water from there.




this can be achieved with almost anything that can handly water and myc. can colonize it...


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8587350 - 07/02/08 10:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

B4B cakes are the shiznit. Especially nilla's :thumbup: .
Why does everyone boast about bulk over cakes so much? Yes it gives you more yield but cakes are just downright cool. Who says you can't do both? BTW casing is annoying, After these flushes i'm sticking to cakes & bulk only. peat/verm casings are kinda expensive for what they put forth as compaired to just dunk/rolling a cake or spawning to lots of free doodoo+straw.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8587567 - 07/02/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok,just picked the two.

Here they are.
Keep in mind there is plenty more on that cake left.






:congrats: What a nice job.  Those are some fat shrooms to come off cakes.  I can't wait to see what the rest do. 

I was wondering, did those come off of pint cakes or 1/2 pint?  Were you able to obtain a wet weight per cakes, and can  you do a dry and post it if you haven't?  I mean, whether they are big or small shrooms, it's all about mass in the end anyhow, I suppose.  After we see the results of the rest of your cakes, a tek write up might be in order :awesome:


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: ray40cal]
    #8587839 - 07/02/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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B4B cakes are the shiznit..
Why does everyone boast about bulk over cakes so much? 




because bulk is the ONLY way to go.  trust me ive done my fair share of cakes when i started.  and like i said i still do them cause they're dependable and an easy way for me to obtain prints.

have any of you guys who are saying "oh cakes are the shit" even tryed bulk?  if so more than likely you've failed at it due to contams or something else minor and reverted back to cakes and now your all on this big cake bandwagon.

granted, if your going to do cakes this method looks to give you some monsters. but enough with this "cakes are the shiznit"

-the pinsets and end results are unmatchable with bulk-

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: blood4blood]
    #8587988 - 07/02/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

because bulk is the ONLY way to go.  trust me ive done my fair share of cakes when i started.  and like i said i still do them cause they're dependable and an easy way for me to obtain prints." blood4blood


Me too!!  I like to do cakes first off so that if my bulk goes wrong aka green, i will have a backup.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: rugergirl79]
    #8588367 - 07/02/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

This is hard for me to believe but,,,,,they weigh about 30 grams dry.....wow!
I will try and weigh again later maybe there is some water still in em but the feel real dry.

These are pint cakes maybe a tad bigger??
I use plastic containers that hold 2 cups but i dont fill them all the way.

I also use 60 cc syringes for inoc'ing.
If you make your own spore syringes i suggest you get BIG syringes.
Mine can noc up about 50 1/2 pint jars.Makes things allot easier!
Also,try out these ziplock plastic containers.
They rock!
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: dstark]
    #8588417 - 07/02/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The amazing results cause this:

I will quote myself lol ^^ (posted in other post)

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The reason nilla gets big fruits is this:

The myc take water from the paper towlet this cause huge and masive flushes!
You can same put your cakes on wet vermiculite and they will take water from there.




this can be achieved with almost anything that can handly water and myc. can colonize it...




So your saying the scratching has no impact??

Also notice allot of the "big" shrooms are coming off the top of the cakes and not just the bottoms "napkin".

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8588464 - 07/02/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Im tired of people bashing this method. Look at the fukin results.Have you seen that other thread that cant remember his name is doin usin the same scraping method. Some rude prick is just bringin it down and callin every on ametures. How can people be ignorant and ignore the results thats like denying 4 wheel drive make a difference.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8588479 - 07/02/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Right"""
That guy needs anger management.
The results speak for its self.
Were suppose to get what""" 3 grams per half pint.
And these are about pints so thats 12 grams i should have here.
Well,i got 30 grams!
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8588500 - 07/02/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

hey how is the potency i have heard that brf potency is less than say manuer


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8588516 - 07/02/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

If you could, please post with pics and info about subsequent flushes.  That will also clear any room for arguments about whether the cakes blow all their nutes on the first flush, or keeps producing impressively on later flushes as well.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: jazzillion]
    #8588563 - 07/02/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I will post second and third flush's;)
I have had some hard ass trips on cakes shrooms.
I eat them allot so i would assume ive built quite a tolorence to them but i still trip very nice.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8588891 - 07/02/08 07:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

All I can say is 'wow'!
Those are some huge motherzoomers!

I haven't been around here long, but as proven with Nilla, you can't underestimate the new guys.  Admittedly, I don't have a lot of experience, but everything I do, I document and learn from it.  I can say that my next grow will be using this tek to see what can be learned from it!

In a way, what Nilla has done in scraping, makes a lot of sense.  Think of the outer colonized layer as a shield or barrier.  The outer layer colonizes first, protecting the center so it can get a stronghold and consolidate itself, and not be contaminated.  By scraping the outer layer off, you are exposing the strongest mycelium and allowing it to fruit without wasting any more energy.  And the mycelium in the center of the cake is the ropy, strandlike kind that we all love!

One thing I am curious about is what do you do with the scrapings?  I'd like to see what would happen if you put all the scrapings together in a jar?  Or do you use the scrapings to inoculate other jars?

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: mycelicious]
    #8588958 - 07/02/08 07:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I do it all under the sink and its pretty mushy and useless to me.
I'm sure you could try something with it though??
Its really not that much material going to waste.

Your theory sounds good.
I would love to know why this works myself.
Its gotta be something in those lines.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8588971 - 07/02/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Those are so kick ass cakes. Don't mind all the haters everyone is all about the bulk around here lol.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #8588991 - 07/02/08 07:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Bulk is great.
I just dont do it anymore.
Its not to easy to keep on the down low.
The smell from paturizing and all the tools is just too much for me to keep around and do.
Im sure allot agree.
I just find this easy and stealthy.
And if you like cakes try it.
Its not a pissing contest for whats better.
This is simply the best way to get allot of fruit from your "cakes".imo

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    #8589010 - 07/02/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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hey how is the potency i have heard that brf potency is less than say manuer




Substrate has almost nothing to do with potency. Potency is from genetics. Substrate depth and all that shit determins the size of the fruits.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8589014 - 07/02/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hows that not impressive??
OVER an OUNCE in shrooms in ONLY two pint cakes!
ONE FLUSH!

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8589060 - 07/02/08 08:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

SO what if i let my cakes colonize all the way? Just wash them really well, dunk per snypes method, then scratched with a fork or something? Or should i try deeper cuts? I've got 8 tall half-pints colonizing. Thinking of doing 4 dunk and roll and 4 "nilla method" to see the difference for myself.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8589070 - 07/02/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I do it all under the sink and its pretty mushy and useless to me.
I'm sure you could try something with it though??
Its really not that much material going to waste.

Your theory sounds good.
I would love to know why this works myself.
Its gotta be something in those lines.




Well I will definitely try this as my next tek, and I'll post the results and make some believers out of the disbelievers! And I'll try to think of something clever to do with the scrapings.

Thanks for sharing your tek with us!

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: mycelicious]
    #8589089 - 07/02/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You are suppose to let them fully colonize.
I rushed mine as ive said already.
Dont use a fork.
Hold the knife sideways and scrape at it.
Im really goona have to make a simple to read tek on this.
Anyone else wanna do it for me.
I hate typing!
I wanna include a video too so peeps can see more clearly how to clean /scrape these.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8589109 - 07/02/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

So, since I will be waiting for full colonization .... how many cuts? How deep? Vertically, horizontally, or willy-nilly round round and up and down?


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8589263 - 07/02/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well I am now boiling 16 cakes as we speak and I will try this scraping method with a few of them just to see for myself how it really works.
Thanks for the ideas Nilla.
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: creekfreek]
    #8589359 - 07/02/08 09:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Nilla, here is one of the Bufo toads we were discussing earlier in the thread. Not as many out lately as there usually are.

It is very intersting that they contain DMT and some other psycoactive substance. Someone would have to pay me to lick the damned thing though. :rofl2:





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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8589582 - 07/02/08 10:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Sweet!
You smoke it;)
But i dont think ill be trying it anytime soon.

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    #8589587 - 07/02/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

hahaha mail it to me and i know some people who will lick it hahahahahah


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #8589617 - 07/02/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Sweet!
You smoke it;)
But i dont think ill be trying it anytime soon.





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hahaha mail it to me and i know some people who will lick it hahahahahah




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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8590163 - 07/03/08 01:22 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The amazing results cause this:

I will quote myself lol ^^ (posted in other post)

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The reason nilla gets big fruits is this:

The myc take water from the paper towlet this cause huge and masive flushes!
You can same put your cakes on wet vermiculite and they will take water from there.




this can be achieved with almost anything that can handly water and myc. can colonize it...




So your saying the scratching has no impact??

Also notice allot of the "big" shrooms are coming off the top of the cakes and not just the bottoms "napkin".





That what ahppen man- the myc. takes water from the toilet papers and bring to whole cake which cause massive flushes! thats good :P
same would be with vermiculite!

Well now came an idea to my head! I saw some people do monotube grow and it became a cake grow... after the tube fully colonized they put out this huge cake!
Now if putting thes HUGE cake on wet toilet paper it might be a bigger flush the monotube ^^
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: dstark]
    #8590175 - 07/03/08 01:28 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

HUH??

Dude,,,the removel of the outer layer of the cakes is causing this "NOT" the darn paper towel,,,get over it.
It is simply for humidity and to keep the cakes moist.
Must i grow one out for you on the plastic with no napkins to prove it???

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8590740 - 07/03/08 07:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Must i grow one out for you on the plastic with no napkins to prove it???




Actually I think this is a great idea... :smile:

Mushrooms are 90% water. If they have a good water resource to draw on they will grow bigger. I think the paper towel would have to play a big part as well.

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    #8590751 - 07/03/08 07:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Nice big caps there Nilla. Props. I wonder if doing this the "normal" way would produce just as much fruits but smaller.

ex.

30 fruits 1 gram each
or 2 fruits 15 grams each


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    #8592157 - 07/03/08 04:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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B4B cakes are the shiznit..
Why does everyone boast about bulk over cakes so much? 




because bulk is the ONLY way to go.  trust me ive done my fair share of cakes when i started.  and like i said i still do them cause they're dependable and an easy way for me to obtain prints.

have any of you guys who are saying "oh cakes are the shit" even tryed bulk?  if so more than likely you've failed at it due to contams or something else minor and reverted back to cakes and now your all on this big cake bandwagon.

granted, if your going to do cakes this method looks to give you some monsters. but enough with this "cakes are the shiznit"

-the pinsets and end results are unmatchable with bulk-

courtesy of large dose (scroll down for pics)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8324968/an/0/page/0




Never tried bulk. Only been growing for a few weeks and done casings and cakes thats it. I plan on doing bulk, in fact I just bought a 64 qt. sterilite. Undoubtedly you will get more fruits from one cake spawned to bulk than you would off of several plain cakes. To be honest I'm afraid I'll phuk up the bulk project some way. My resources and experience are very limited right now. I got lots of reading to do before i can feel comfortable doing bulk.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: ray40cal]
    #8592653 - 07/03/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Ok,here is the three cakes ready for there second flush.
They have been treated in the same matter again.

Also,the second pic is of five new cakes that have been scraped and i also put two of em straight on the plastic to see what happens.
Kinda dumb but,i just wanna see what it does.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8592719 - 07/03/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Did you see how those stacked 1/2 pint cakes fruited? The PE, I forgot who posted it, but I think it's in this thread.

I wonder what would happen if you stacked your 1 pint scraped cakes?


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8592734 - 07/03/08 07:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I think it would be awesome to make a totem poll out of cakes. Turn an entire closet into a grow chamber and have totem polls of like 20 cakes each somehow braced together where they can't fall. Omg a shroom tree! Might need some scaffolding.


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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: ray40cal]
    #8593047 - 07/03/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

well, those are some nice flushes.  But over an ounce for 2 pints cakes isn't monumental.  That's still about 7ish grams per half pint.  That's pretty common nowadays.  I still think that the size of your fruits have more to do with the size of your cakes and not the scraping.  Not that the scraping isn't helping with the pin set on a bare cake, because it probably is.  But that's not what you're saying is going on here.  You're saying that the size of the fruits is because you scraped them.  I think that you may get fruits quicker if you just carved like four rings with a knife all around the cake instead of scraping the entire outside off.  Like 1/4-1/2 inch cuts.  I would think you would have more pins forming around those deep cuts than taking the entire surface off.  Something you may think about trying if you're into the scraping thing. 

Nice flushes though.  definitely some honkers there.  :thumbup:

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8593478 - 07/03/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok,here is the three cakes ready for there second flush.
They have been treated in the same matter again.

Also,the second pic is of five new cakes that have been scraped and i also put two of em straight on the plastic to see what happens.
Kinda dumb but,i just wanna see what it does.






Looks good nilla!

Can I ask that in order for your experiment to work properly could you put the two cakes that are sitting on plastic in another tub with no paper towel? These ones are still in contact with the towel and able to wick moisture from it therefore your results will be flawed.

A side by side comparison of two tubs, one with cakes sitting just on plastic and one with cakes sitting on paper towel, birthed at the same time, would be a good way to achieve a definitive result on whether the paper towel is helping them to grow a lot bigger or if it's just the scraping alone.

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: _OttO_]
    #8594048 - 07/04/08 04:35 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Sure thing buddy!!!!
But,,,,regardless!!! isnt the point here to get the best we can???
Be it paper fucking towel or verm......
How bout this!
Anyone here that can produce as much as i can off a cake step forwarD!

iM DOWN TO PROVE I CAN GROW MORE GRAM FOR GRAM OFF A PINT CAKE THAN YOU!

BRING IT!

aND DROP ALL THIS BULK CRAP,,THIS IS A CAKE THREAD!!!
There big cause i use a napkin???? C mon!
isnt this the reason for verm???
Well,then maybe napkins are better suited?
This is simply how i DO things!
And if i get better results then you,,,,dont be a bitch and put me down and try to pick flaws in my work.
Fuck it,,,,i quite!
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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8594064 - 07/04/08 04:47 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

What?! You can't just quit. Stick with it mate, and if you prove everyone wrong you'll gain respect from them and massage your ego at the same time.

If you are challenging everyone to a cake-off then you have to stick around, at least for long enough to see it through to the end.

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    #8594083 - 07/04/08 05:04 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I would be up for a friendly challenge! :smile:


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    #8594115 - 07/04/08 05:28 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

:confused:Story ends here folks,sorry

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8594183 - 07/04/08 07:04 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

OK Shroomites. Everybody tell Nilla we are sorry for picking at him. I'll start by saying "Nilla I'm sorry for coming across like an ass to you with my first post." Like I said I have seen your tek before with great results for cakes. I am not knocking it, at all. With no buts. Don't give up on the Shroomery.


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    #8594266 - 07/04/08 08:19 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: My cake care/fruiting tek [Re: nilla]
    #8594439 - 07/04/08 10:19 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, don't let the haters get you down. It seems a lot of people online just have very poor social skills and are unable to have civil discourse.

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