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Uh-oh...How about the Quran?
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Re: Uh-oh...How about the Quran? [Re: World Spirit]
    #861013 - 09/03/02 06:15 AM (22 years, 9 months ago)

I am only 1/3 through. I got a copy with Arabic on the right side of the page and the English translation on the left. Footnotes and commentary are below the English translations. Written with the permission of the Saudi King.

So far I think it is OK. It is strange to read "backwards" from our conception. Starting a book where the biblography usually is is different.

The messages contained in the book are good though. Even worse than the Bible is for God, the word Allah is seen in almost every sentence. I did skip ahead to the parts about Jesus and Mary. Those were the my favorite so far. Anything specific you want to discuss?

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    #863762 - 09/04/02 02:08 PM (22 years, 9 months ago)

To me, the Qur'an is dry and seriously culture-bound to Arabic people. It was written from oral traditions after Muhammed died, and Muslims like to point out how the original Arabic has remained unchanged since the beginning - which is true - but Muhammed didn't write anything, any more than Jesus did, or probably Moses.
God is utterly transcendent and seemingly unaccessible to the human being. Shiite, and Sunni mainstream interpretations are just as literal and legal as Orthodox Jewry or Fundamentalist Christian interpretations of their scriptures. I have only really enjoyed the Sufis (Islamic mystics) who are marginal Muslims according to the main sects. Famous Sufi mystics like al-Ghazali or al-Halaj were executed (Halaj was crucified after hands and feet were amputated) for saying "I am the Truth," which is the same Shirk that Jesus was killed by the Jews for.

Whereas in Christianity it is a Divine Personality of Christ that is salvific; in Islam it is a Book, not a personality that carries the same ontological value. One eats the Body and Blood via sacrament; but one reads the Book and Submits to theWill of Allah, as Islam=submission.


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