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 how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms 
#8566966 - 06/26/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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does anyone know why some shrooms cause nausea (i.e. queaziness, vomiting, diarheaa) and others don't? I'm thinking it has something to do with bacteria on the surface of the shrooms, but i haven't read that and haven't tested that. or, maybe it's from sub contams that are integrated into the fruits?
what do you guys think? It's just that some of my projects are fine and don't cause any nausea, while others will make you feel sick, puke a few times, and shit water.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: nonlinear]
#8566976 - 06/26/08 02:08 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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The problem is eating them raw. Our bodies can't digest raw mushrooms, therefore it triggers the 'poison reflex' to get rid of something that can't be digested.
Boil them into tea or otherwise cook them and you won't have any sickness. My favorite method is to rub salad dressing all over them, top with a bit of salt, pepper and red pepper, and then cook on the BBQ grill. Of course, only fresh mushrooms should be cooked, and they're actually quite tasty.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms (moved) [Re: nonlinear]
#8566981 - 06/26/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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 This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
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Moved to Experience forum, where it's more on topic.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8567030 - 06/26/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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hey RR, thanks, but actually I had some tea yesterday and vomited about 5 or 6 times afterwards.... also, why don't I vomit when eating raw edibles?
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms (moved) [Re: nonlinear]
#8567055 - 06/26/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Part of it is the eating them and the nasty taste and part of it is a direct result of psilocin's pharmacological action.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms (moved) [Re: nonlinear]
#8567058 - 06/26/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wierd, I have never gotten nausea when eating shrooms, except once, but I couldn't vomit. The nausea also subsided within 20 minutes or so.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms (moved) [Re: LeperFace]
#8567060 - 06/26/08 02:28 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms (moved) [Re: endepth]
#8567096 - 06/26/08 02:38 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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^^^that is a good post. now that i think about it, some of the contributing factors may have been: the 2 or 3 beers i drank before my tea, my recent distaste for beer (after about 8 years of being a daily beer drinker), and the presence of mushroom chunks in the tea (which i swallowed), and the rapid rate of ingestion (about 5 minutes).
also, I was away last weekend and these were over-mature. None were decomposing, but a couple of them looked pretty unappetizing.
but I'm still not convinced that bacteria aren't involved... i mean my FC hasn't been cleaned in a while
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms (moved) [Re: nonlinear]
#8567129 - 06/26/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've taken shrooms 6 times and I only threw up the last time. I barely threw up at all though. At this point I was tripping balls like never before(on a single and a half. It would've been two singles but it hit me so fast that I literally forgot to eat the rest). I basically dry heaved once, then spat up some liquid. They were cubes just like every other time, so I have no idea why I got nauseous (probably the extra half).
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms (moved) [Re: Harassmentsubon]
#8567324 - 06/26/08 03:32 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah i think it has more to do with the alkaloids/taste than them being raw, i eat raw edibles frequently, no nausia, i eat raw shrooms, and get the same nausia as from tea
there are 2 points of nausia in my experience, that you get upon ingestion, from taste/gag reflex, and that you get when your coming up, two different experiences, first being from the taste, second being from the chemicals, im not sure any of it has to do with being raw, your mouth/gag reflex doesnt know they are raw, and ive put enough psychoactive substances in my stomach to know the nausia caused by chemicals being absorbed
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8567349 - 06/26/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
My favorite method is to rub salad dressing all over them, top with a bit of salt, pepper and red pepper, and then cook on the BBQ grill. Of course, only fresh mushrooms should be cooked, and they're actually quite tasty.
RR
So the active alkaloids will not get destroyed by that? I always thought they were very heat sensitive?
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8567357 - 06/26/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
The problem is eating them raw. Our bodies can't digest raw mushrooms, therefore it triggers the 'poison reflex' to get rid of something that can't be digested.
Boil them into tea or otherwise cook them and you won't have any sickness. My favorite method is to rub salad dressing all over them, top with a bit of salt, pepper and red pepper, and then cook on the BBQ grill. Of course, only fresh mushrooms should be cooked, and they're actually quite tasty.
RR
I am going to have to try this, that sounds delicious 
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: KillerPicklez]
#8567379 - 06/26/08 03:47 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea, i wonder what kind of salad dressing? like italian or oil/balsamic? also, is red pepper like crushed peppers you put on pizza, or red bell pepper, or what ???
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8567384 - 06/26/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
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<img src='http://www.shroomery.org/forums/images/moved.gif'> This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
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Moved to Experience forum, where it's more on topic.
i dunno about you but my body has no problem with raw fresh ones specially truffles
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: KillerPicklez]
#8567385 - 06/26/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah, i wish i had so many shrooms i could waste in such a venture, lol, i believe one way or another such a process would either destroy the alkaloids, break them down, or atleasy leech them out into the liquid contents places on them
think, your putting liquid, some of which ingredients would be good for extracting said alkaloids, and heating it up, alkaloid will be going into the surrounding liquids, period, granted your eating it all, but regardless some will drip, i wouldnt waste my shrooms like this personally
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8567400 - 06/26/08 03:52 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
The problem is eating them raw. Our bodies can't digest raw mushrooms, therefore it triggers the 'poison reflex' to get rid of something that can't be digested.
Boil them into tea or otherwise cook them and you won't have any sickness. My favorite method is to rub salad dressing all over them, top with a bit of salt, pepper and red pepper, and then cook on the BBQ grill. Of course, only fresh mushrooms should be cooked, and they're actually quite tasty.
RR
my body never has problems with raw mushrooms specially when they are fresh i think it more so has to do with certain peoples diets. personally i find no nausea from some dried mushroom and milk milk coats your innards and makes it hit quick this will only be a problem if you lactose intolerant tho, which i might add something thats increasing these days is acute lactose intolerance which causes people gastric destress upon consumption of milk products
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: thedudenj]
#8567569 - 06/26/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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what is the 'dosage' when making tea? say i like to eat about 1.2 grams dry mushrooms, that is the ideal dosage for ME, my personal preference. how much would i use to make tea and what would i put in the tea besides mushrooms and water?
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: WakingUp]
#8567578 - 06/26/08 04:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah, i wish i had so many shrooms i could waste in such a venture, lol, i believe one way or another such a process would either destroy the alkaloids, break them down, or atleasy leech them out into the liquid contents places on them
think, your putting liquid, some of which ingredients would be good for extracting said alkaloids, and heating it up, alkaloid will be going into the surrounding liquids, period, granted your eating it all, but regardless some will drip, i wouldnt waste my shrooms like this personally
I would imagine some people on this site might have an abundance of mushrooms given our hobby 
Also whenever I cook any kind of vegetable on the grill, I wrap it in foil so to keep everything contained. Im sure you could do the same with these mushrooms.
I'll give it a try 
Edited by KillerPicklez (06/26/08 04:40 PM)
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: KillerPicklez]
#8568435 - 06/26/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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To avoid gag reflex
Make into tea
Eat with something, take a big mouthful, plug nose chew and swallow with juice
Also you can take some pepto or gravol about 30 minutes prior then 1 and a half hours in if you easily get sick.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: F1234K]
#8568532 - 06/26/08 08:05 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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When grilling, my favorite is to rub blue cheese salad drssing into the caps and then top with a bit of water to thin the dressing. Salt and pepper to taste. I use a bit of powdered cayanne pepper too, just because I like spicy food. Rub olive oil into the cap and lay it gill side up on the grill. Watch carefully, and when the dressing/water in the cap begins to boil, flip it over to dump out any excess dressing, and it's ready.
Who cares if you lose a bit of the actives? Just eat three mushrooms instead of two. They taste great and won't make you sick. And. . .with time, you'll throw away more mushrooms than you eat by a long shot. I must have thrown away twenty or more dry and packaged pounds over the years. Giving them away except to family makes you get as hot as selling, so eat what you want and toss the rest.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8568571 - 06/26/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Any tips for dried mushrooms RR?
And when you have to buy your shrooms eating a couple more gets pricey
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: ultimo101]
#8568655 - 06/26/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Strange how there are very few complaints of nausea when consuming Psilocybe Subaeruginosa, whilst there seem to be many problems when Cubes and other American psychs are consumed.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: ultimo101]
#8568776 - 06/26/08 08:57 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Any tips for dried mushrooms RR?
And when you have to buy your shrooms eating a couple more gets pricey
For dried ones I like to use a coffee grinder to powder them, and then just mix it up in some orange juice. Tasteless
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8570437 - 06/27/08 09:34 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks RR! i have some blue cheese dressing at home and will definitely make this recipe!
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8571025 - 06/27/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm no expert and can only speak from personal experience, but I have noticed throughout my time with the shroom that the method of ingestion is a very important factor (at least for me). The times that I have eaten the mushrooms on food or in food there has been absolutely no nausea at all, but when I have just eaten the mushrooms straight out of the bag without any other food with it I have definitely wanted to vomit. So far its happened like this every time almost perfectly.
While very intoxicated my buddy coined the phrase:
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16863031 - 09/17/12 02:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does this include psi-mushies? Wont heat destroy the magic?
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: xamplesample]
#16863098 - 09/17/12 03:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some have taken dramamine. They told me it works good for them.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: FakePlasticSky]
#16863197 - 09/17/12 03:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some have taken dramamine. They told me it works good for them.
Ive tried this, worked great. i normally have no problems, but thats only if i make sure i eat right prior to the trip. a recent trip i had, my stomach was already not feeling right before eating the hawaiian strain mushrooms, so i took some dramamine (can be found at 7-11 or any pharmacy) and it worked wonders, no nausea at all, even eating the shrooms dry. dramamine is used for motion sickness.
ive also heard that gensing works, but ive never tried it.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: sailing]
#16863273 - 09/17/12 03:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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This won't help directly, but just as a point of interest the last mushrooms I ate were the smoothest I have ever had. Zero nausea and gentle onset. I had been told that that was the case, but seeing really was believing. Not that that helps with the general problem, but it's good to know that there are strains out there that cause fewer problems.
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Re: how to avoid nausea-inducing shrooms [Re: shampoopoo]
#16864617 - 09/17/12 07:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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shampoopoo said:I had been told that that was the case [...]
That right there. I'm convinced that most nausea has more to do with set and how the experience is unfolding than with the material itself. I have had both zero and significant nausea on separate occasions with the identical material, same ingestion method, same dose, empty stomach. There are tons of serotonin receptors in your gut: it's the active ingredient itself, not (so much) other stuff that sometimes makes you nauseous.
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