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Obama up huge on McCain
    #8560685 - 06/24/08 11:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/24/poll-shows-obama-with-a-double-digit-lead/

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With just over four months to go until voters weigh in at the polls, a new survey suggests Sen. Barack Obama is holding a double-digit lead over Sen. John McCain among registered voters.

According to a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, Obama holds a 12 point lead over McCain in a head-to-head match up, 49 percent to 37 percent. But when third party candidates Ralph Nader and Bob Barr are added to the list, Obama's lead over McCain extends to 15 points, 48 percent to 33 percent.

The survey is the second in a matter of days to indicate McCain may face a sizable deficit as the general election campaign kicks off. A Newsweek poll released four days ago showed the Illinois senator with a 15 point lead.

According to a CNN analysis of five recent national surveys, Obama holds an 8 point lead over his presidential rival.

CNN Polling Director Keating Holland notes a substantial lead in June does not always lead to a decisive victory the following November.

“Historically speaking, when June polls show a tight race, the race usually remains tight all the way through November. But when June polls have shown a big lead for one candidate, that lead has often melted," Holland said.

"Bill Clinton was leading Bob Dole by up to 19 points in June, 1996; Clinton won by eight. Michael Dukakis had a 14-point lead over George Bush the elder in June, 1988; Bush won by seven. Jimmy Carter was up nearly 20 points in June, 1976 but in November eked out a two-point win. And Richard Nixon managed an even smaller victory in 1968 even though he had a 16-point margin that June," Holland noted.

The Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll indicates Obama is clearly benefiting from the nation's economic woes. Voters rate the economy as the most pressing issue facing the country and say Obama is likely to handle the issue better than the presumptive Republican nominee. Voters say McCain is better suited to handle the war against terror, but the poll indicates that is not currently their top concern.

The poll also indicates the conservative base has yet to fully embrace their party's nominee. Among voters who self identified themselves as conservative, just under 60 percent said they would vote for McCain, fifteen percent said they would vote for Obama, 15 percent said they would vote for another candidate, and 13 percent said they were undecided.

That compares to the nearly 80 percent of self identified liberals who say they plan to vote for Obama.

As for former supporters of Hillary Clinton, the poll finds only 11 percent aren't planning on supporting Obama.

The poll surveyed 1,115 registered voters and was conducted from June 19-23. It carries a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.




:awesome: Like I've been saying, November is going to be a lay up for B-rock


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8560759 - 06/25/08 12:19 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

duh ive been saying this all along
mccain doesnt stand a chance hes even stupider than the average american and thats really hard


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Coaster]
    #8560989 - 06/25/08 01:22 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I know, I'm just posting this for lonestar and the McClone crew


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8561221 - 06/25/08 04:23 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

How many debates have we had between the two?  Have they announced vice presidents yet?  How the @#$# can anybody know who they are voting for this early in the election process?  Morons, all them.  No wonder the country is so messed up.  People are voting along party lines without regard to the issues... also called a popularity contest.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Seuss]
    #8561346 - 06/25/08 05:43 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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How many debates have we had between the two?  Have they announced vice presidents yet?  How the @#$# can anybody know who they are voting for this early in the election process?  Morons, all them.  No wonder the country is so messed up.  People are voting along party lines without regard to the issues... also called a popularity contest.



Many are responding along party lines, yes. But many others are responding based on substance. You are incensed as if it is inconceivable for people to not smile at the prospect of a John McCain presidency. In fact, it is perfectly understandable; many right-wingers and self-described conservatives themselves despair at what a terrible candidate John McCain is. I agree, of course, that a great many are sipping Obama Kool-Aid -- but that is not to say they are wrong to despise John McCain. He is, after all, despicable.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Seuss]
    #8561617 - 06/25/08 08:36 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

what more could they say in debates?

who could they possibly choose that would drastically sway the vote
(VPs are perceived as impotent anyways).

most people made up their minds a few months back...since this
fucking campaign has been rolling for like three years now.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8562059 - 06/25/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

BIG NEWS!  15 points!


Its FUCKING unbelievable how MSM will do anything to promote Obama. (even rig polls....)


Yes, Obama is ahead a few points. 3-5

12-15 points my ass!



BREAKING (Gallup): Dukakis takes 17 point lead over George Bush!


Published: July 26, 1988

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/19/11498/1787


SUCKERS....


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8562094 - 06/25/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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BIG NEWS!  15 points!


Its FUCKING unbelievable how MSM will do anything to promote Obama. (even rig polls....)


Yes, Obama is ahead a few points. 3-5

12-15 points my ass!



BREAKING (Gallup): Dukakis takes 17 point lead over George Bush!


Published: July 26, 1988

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/19/11498/1787


SUCKERS....


:suicidebomber:



I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but I'll ask some serious questions at any rate: Why do you think these poll results are implausible? Do you know ANYONE who's excited about a John McCain presidency? If you answered yes to the last question, is that person excited about a John McCain presidency for its own sake, or because it would necessarily mean the absence of an Obama presidency?

Look, the fact of the matter is John McCain is a bad candidate that is running in a really bad year for his party. This has all the makings of a rout; that the polls reflect this is unsurprising. If you are actually serious about thinking polls are rigged, I'd admonish you to check yourself the next time you consider calling some 9/11 truther (or other leftist kook) on his bullshit.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Ancalagon]
    #8562158 - 06/25/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

> Why do you think these poll results are implausible?

Because anybody with half a brain hasn't made up their mind who they are going to vote for yet.  There have been no debates.  There have been no running mates announced.  The two main parties have not yet official nominated anybody.  Anybody that has decided who they are voting for has done so along party lines, because of popularity, or out of ignorance.  Right now, polls are pretty much meaningless.

> Do you know ANYONE who's excited about a John McCain presidency?

Do I care?  This shouldn't be a popularity contest.  It should be a contest for the best person for the job... personally, I feel McCain is just as bad as Obama.  Both choices suck and the country is in for a rough four years regardless of which corrupt senator is elected.

> I'd admonish you to check yourself the next time you consider calling some 9/11 truther (or other leftist kook) on his bullshit.

You are confusing left/right with crazy.  There are crazy truthers on the left and the right.

It amazes me how people pull the party line like a bunch of horses with blinders on obediently doing what they are commanded to do.  No wonder the country has gone so far downhill in the last few decades.  I've always blamed the politicians, but I think it is time to start blaming the ignorant voters as well.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Seuss]
    #8562235 - 06/25/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

i can't wait for the debates. talk about a blowout election for the first African American president. it will be worse than the Nixon vs. Kennedy debates. senile conservative who just wants war vs. an articulate forward looking obama. tough choice lol.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Ancalagon]
    #8562243 - 06/25/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Ancalagon said:
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lonestar2004 said:
BIG NEWS!  15 points!


Its FUCKING unbelievable how MSM will do anything to promote Obama. (even rig polls....)


Yes, Obama is ahead a few points. 3-5

12-15 points my ass!



BREAKING (Gallup): Dukakis takes 17 point lead over George Bush!


Published: July 26, 1988

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/19/11498/1787


SUCKERS....


:suicidebomber:



I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but I'll ask some serious questions at any rate: Why do you think these poll results are implausible? Do you know ANYONE who's excited about a John McCain presidency? If you answered yes to the last question, is that person excited about a John McCain presidency for its own sake, or because it would necessarily mean the absence of an Obama presidency?

Look, the fact of the matter is John McCain is a bad candidate that is running in a really bad year for his party. This has all the makings of a rout; that the polls reflect this is unsurprising. If you are actually serious about thinking polls are rigged, I'd admonish you to check yourself the next time you consider calling some 9/11 truther (or other leftist kook) on his bullshit.





You seem like a cool dude (and very Intelligent) so i don't mean any disrespect, but this poll is shit.

its not even worth debating.




"the fact of the matter is John McCain is a bad candidate that is running in a really bad year for his party."




Yep, McCain Sucks!

but Obama, and everything that comes with him, will scare the fuck out of millions of Independent voters and they will have no problem  voting for McCain this fall.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Seuss]
    #8562264 - 06/25/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Because anybody with half a brain hasn't made up their mind who they are going to vote for yet.  There have been no debates.  There have been no running mates announced.  The two main parties have not yet official nominated anybody.  Anybody that has decided who they are voting for has done so along party lines, because of popularity, or out of ignorance.  Right now, polls are pretty much meaningless.



I was more taking issue with the seemingly sincere assertion that the poll was rigged. But to respond to your point, while of course this poll is by no means a perfect predictor of what will happen in November, it does illustrate what should be glaringly obvious to anyone who's followed politics at an even cursory level: The GOP 'brand' has been royally fucked for a great many mainstream Americans; John McCain is a candidate that does very little to inspire even those who would otherwise have stuck with the GOP through thick and thin; and Obama does a great deal to inspire much of the left-wing. The trends are VERY much against McCain, and very much in favor of Obama. Yes, VP selections and debate performances can and will affect public perception, but the odds are you are looking at an Obama victory, if not an Obama rout, come Election Day.

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Do I care?  This shouldn't be a popularity contest.  It should be a contest for the best person for the job... personally, I feel McCain is just as bad as Obama.  Both choices suck and the country is in for a rough four years regardless of which corrupt senator is elected.



I'm not making a normative claim, that people should vote for Obama because he's popular. I'm making a positive claim, that McCain does not inspire his party's base, and that Obama does inspire his party's base, and thus that if present trends persist it is likely that Obama will be the nation's next president. I, of course, completely agree with the latter part of what I've quoted.

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You are confusing left/right with crazy.  There are crazy truthers on the left and the right.

It amazes me how people pull the party line like a bunch of horses with blinders on obediently doing what they are commanded to do.  No wonder the country has gone so far downhill in the last few decades.  I've always blamed the politicians, but I think it is time to start blaming the ignorant voters as well.



My advice to you is to do a better job of reading the thread to which you're responding. My post was in response to the claim, which I took to be serious, that polls showing Obama way ahead of McCain were rigged. Such a claim is no less loony than what your average 9/11 truther spews.

Again, I agree completely with the second half of what is quoted.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Ancalagon]
    #8562274 - 06/25/08 12:01 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

> I was more taking issue with the seemingly sincere assertion that the poll was rigged

Doh!  I hate it when I misread.  Apologies.  :smile:


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Ancalagon]
    #8562428 - 06/25/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Ancalagon said:



My post was in response to the claim, which I took to be serious, that polls showing Obama way ahead of McCain were rigged.


Such a claim is no less loony than what your average 9/11 truther spews.







Oh lord I'm never going to finish Laundry today.:)

First the link  pops up with.


"Not Found"

"Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here."


So now I'll try and find Gastronomicus poll...


LA Times poll.....


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5io2bDdiG8nzEd3QuLDc_2uVtXsUQ


"Barack Obama has opened a 15-point lead in the presidential race,"


"McCain is not capturing the full extent of the conservative base the way President Bush did in 2000 and 2004,'' said Susan Pinkus, director of the Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll.


and

Susan Pinkus, director of the Times Poll concluded, “It appears to be a Democratic year. This election is the Democrats’ to lose."


Pretty much all this "looney"  needs to know about the bias poll...


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: afoaf]
    #8563282 - 06/25/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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(VPs are perceived as impotent anyways).




Except for Dick Cheney, of course.



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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Phred]
    #8563296 - 06/25/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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(VPs are perceived as impotent anyways).




Except for Dick Cheney, of course.



Phred





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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: SlashOZ]
    #8563477 - 06/25/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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i can't wait for the debates. talk about a blowout election for the first African American president. it will be worse than the Nixon vs. Kennedy debates. senile conservative who just wants war vs. an articulate forward looking obama. tough choice lol.




Kennedy defeated Nixon by the slimmest of margins, a lot of which was ascribed to cadavers from Chicago.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8563500 - 06/25/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107854/Gallup-Daily-ObamaMcCain-Race-Reverts-Virtual-Tie.aspx


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June 15, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama-McCain Race Reverts to Virtual Tie
Percentage undecided now 15%, highest of the year

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PRINCETON, NJ -- Voters are closely divided between Barack Obama and John McCain in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted June 12-14, with 44% of national registered voters favoring Obama for president and 42% backing McCain.




Aside from the prima facie appearance of bullshit regarding the LATimes poll there happen to be other polls that are wildly different.  Wildly.  I have never seen any reason to believe that Gallup is a right wing tool.  The LATimes, on the other hand.....


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8563562 - 06/25/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

> I have never seen any reason to believe that Gallup is a right wing tool.

Gallup was pretty accurate on Ron Paul when all the Paul supporters were convinced there was something nefarious going on with polling.  (Adding this in support of your previous comment, not against.)


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8563641 - 06/25/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

From http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/25/gallup-all-tied-at-45/

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Gallup’s daily presidential tracking poll has had Barack Obama and John McCain in a statistical dead heat for the last two weeks.  Now it has them in an actual dead heat.  The difference appears to be rising support for McCain, although the changes are quite narrow.




The dead heat refers to the 45-45 tie Gallup shows at http://www.gallup.com/poll/108376/Gallup-Daily-Obama-McCain-Tied-45.aspx

More from Hotair:

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Even better news: the sample is significantly larger than any used by the news media in recent polling (2600 respondents).  It also uses registered voters, which normally would favor Democrats.

Yesterday, Stacy McCain (no relation) explained the polling vagaries:

Quote:

Given the fact that huge numbers of eligible voters don’t vote, a pollster — if his poll results are to be useful or credible — must try to screen for “likely voters.” This is a doggone difficult thing to do, but it must be attempted, because voters and non-voters differ significantly in their preferences. Non-voters are more likely to support liberal policies and Democratic candidates (a source of endless frustration to liberal Democrats). So a poll that doesn’t properly screen for “likely voters” will always skew leftward (as was true of the Newsweek poll that surveyed “registered voters” rather than “likely voters”).

This is probably why early polls have historically overstated support for Democratic presidential candidates. The closer you get to Election Day, the easier it becomes to determine who the “likely voters” are. Thus, the samples in early polls contain lots of liberal-leaning eligible voters who, in the end, won’t actually bother to vote.




This is why sampling is so important in these polls, and why Newsweek, the LA Times, and CBS traditionally provide outliers rather than predictive results.





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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Seuss]
    #8563997 - 06/25/08 07:26 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

"Because anybody with half a brain hasn't made up their mind who they are going to vote for yet.  "

Right now I am decided that I will vote for Obama, but that doesn't mean I will never change my mind, thats lunacy.  Flexible minds are able to hear when they are wrong.

As I see it now, these men are totally different, and its not a hard decision for me to pick the one that won't keep turning this country into a shithole.  Look at how the dollar index has dropped since 2002 and tell me with a straight face that you don't think the kind of boys club leadership that the republican party has to offer isn't fucking all of us over. 

I know its fun to see politics as some sort of chummy frat party where everyone can putz around and hope shit falls together.  Well guess what, we are a nation competing in a global marketplace, we cannot afford to maintain the image we have earned these past 8 years.

Don't take this as a flame, I know you think they're all assholes, but I feel it is a flame for you to say that people who see in Obama what this country needs are somehow dumber than you.  That sort of holier than thou attitude is what got America where it is in the first place, so wake up and smell your options, they may not be the best, but they are just human, like you, like me, and all of us here.

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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: xFrockx]
    #8564045 - 06/25/08 07:38 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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According to a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, Obama holds a 12 point lead over McCain in a head-to-head match up, 49 percent to 37 percent. But when third party candidates Ralph Nader and Bob Barr are added to the list, Obama's lead over McCain extends to 15 points, 48 percent to 33 percent.

The survey is the second in a matter of days to indicate McCain may face a sizable deficit as the general election campaign kicks off. A Newsweek poll released four days ago showed the Illinois senator with a 15 point lead.




lets do the math ..

LATIMES ..49% + 37% = 86%...
newsweek ..51% + 36% = 86%...

in both cases theres a missing 14% that will likely break for mccain between now and november...taking that into account..mccain leads by 2% in the LATIMES poll and trails by only 1% in the newsweek poll...similarly..the 45%-45% gallup poll is actually a 10% advantage for mccain...


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Annapurna1]
    #8564056 - 06/25/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

What is your proof that 14 percent will fall for McCain?  OR rather, than any percent will fall for McCain?

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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Seuss]
    #8564118 - 06/25/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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How many debates have we had between the two?  Have they announced vice presidents yet?  How the @#$# can anybody know who they are voting for this early in the election process?  Morons, all them.  No wonder the country is so messed up.  People are voting along party lines without regard to the issues... also called a popularity contest.




Well, McCain has essentially had 8 years of presidency to show people that his policies are garbage. Frankly, I don't give two shits what Obama's policies are, a vote for John McCain is a vote for death


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8564305 - 06/25/08 08:49 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Kennedy defeated Nixon by the slimmest of margins, a lot of which was ascribed to cadavers from Chicago.



Bush narrowly defeated Gore, a lot of which has been ascribed to Katherine Harris rigging Florida's voter rolls..  What's your point?

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in both cases theres a missing 14% that will likely break for mccain between now and november...taking that into account..mccain leads by 2% in the LATIMES poll and trails by only 1% in the newsweek poll...similarly..the 45%-45% gallup poll is actually a 10% advantage for mccain...



Do you have ANY way to back this up?

Latest Poll Round-Up - RCP


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8564309 - 06/25/08 08:50 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Ancalagon said:
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BIG NEWS!  15 points!


Its FUCKING unbelievable how MSM will do anything to promote Obama. (even rig polls....)


Yes, Obama is ahead a few points. 3-5

12-15 points my ass!



BREAKING (Gallup): Dukakis takes 17 point lead over George Bush!


Published: July 26, 1988

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/19/11498/1787


SUCKERS....


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I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but I'll ask some serious questions at any rate: Why do you think these poll results are implausible? Do you know ANYONE who's excited about a John McCain presidency? If you answered yes to the last question, is that person excited about a John McCain presidency for its own sake, or because it would necessarily mean the absence of an Obama presidency?

Look, the fact of the matter is John McCain is a bad candidate that is running in a really bad year for his party. This has all the makings of a rout; that the polls reflect this is unsurprising. If you are actually serious about thinking polls are rigged, I'd admonish you to check yourself the next time you consider calling some 9/11 truther (or other leftist kook) on his bullshit.





You seem like a cool dude (and very Intelligent) so i don't mean any disrespect, but this poll is shit.

its not even worth debating.




"the fact of the matter is John McCain is a bad candidate that is running in a really bad year for his party."




Yep, McCain Sucks!

but Obama, and everything that comes with him, will scare the fuck out of millions of Independent voters and they will have no problem  voting for McCain this fall.





found another rigged poll. its called MSM propaganda
Media trying to to shape public opinion...



1984 Newsweek Poll: Walter Mondale beating Ronald Reagan by 18 points


"The day the Democratic convention ended in San Francisco in 1984, the Newsweek poll showed Walter Mondale 18 points ahead of President Ronald Reagan. Mondale ended up getting clobbered, 49 states to one."


http://www.newsweek.com/id/143258/output/print


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8564337 - 06/25/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

OMG its not just me and zap who think this poll is shit!



"The LA times survey simply asked respondents their party affiliation or inclination, and came up with this breakdown: 39% Democratic, 22% Republican, 8% something else, 4% refused to say.

shit! 17% difference in party affiliation!



that dumb bitch Pinkus responds that ...

... "while the result for self-described Democrats may seem high, "this is what the poll got from a random sample of 1,233 adults nationwide, including 1,115 registered voters (which includes listed, unlisted and cell phone users)."


Lord....



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/too-large-of-a.html


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8564348 - 06/25/08 09:01 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)








So even with  17% more dems used, the poll only had a 15% lead!

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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: xFrockx]
    #8564419 - 06/25/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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What is your proof that 14 percent will fall for McCain?  OR rather, than any percent will fall for McCain?




there is no proof that they will fall for mccain..which is why i said that their *more likely* to fall for mccain.. as opposed to they will...OTOH..obamas' difficulties with late-deciding voters in the primaries.. as well as trends in polls from past election cycles.. strongly suggest that this is the case...


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Annapurna1]
    #8564463 - 06/25/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

That was against Hilary, not McCain, so using that as a guideline makes no sense.

I think it will depend much more on how America does before the election.

Terror attack + good economy (somehow, some way) = Mccain
No terror attack + bad economy = Obama

This is because the republican party plays on people's fear to get their votes.  Those in fear still care about their money, and Bush has lost their trust in his party's economic principles.

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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: xFrockx]
    #8564472 - 06/25/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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That was against Hilary, not McCain, so using that as a guideline makes no sense.




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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: xFrockx]
    #8564555 - 06/25/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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That was against Hilary, not McCain, so using that as a guideline makes no sense.




supposing that were the case.. trends from previous election cycles (most notably 1988 and 2004) still show the undecideds swinging rightward as election day approaches...

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I think it will depend much more on how America does before the election.

Terror attack + good economy (somehow, some way) = Mccain
No terror attack + bad economy = Obama




This is because the republican party plays on people's fear to get their votes.  Those in fear still care about their money, and Bush has lost their trust in his party's economic principles.




no terror attack is needed.. a videotape (which could have easily been faked) was good enough to swing the 2004 vote to bush...

the economy is more complex because of the "somehow someway" part..but the repugs still won in 2002 despite a recession and the stock market crash...


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Annapurna1]
    #8564768 - 06/25/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

america deserves what it gets after ousting Ron Paul.... the only decent person and actual human being to run in a hundred years.

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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #8566933 - 06/26/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Ron Paul is the space alien who was crashing Ross Perot's world class daughter's wedding.  There is no conclusive evidence that he is human.  There is, however, conclusive evidence that he is irrelevant.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8568091 - 06/26/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

ill take an honest, decent wackjob in the oval office over any of the fake, retarded, puppets running for it, or the one in it right now.

I never fully agreed with RP on half of his shit, but he was the only person that would have genuinely acted on the best interest of this country rather than prioritize favors according to campaign contributions.

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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #8568258 - 06/26/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I thought Mr. Paul was jejune and a demagogue and hence about the last person I would want to see in the Oval office.  One thing you can't argue with is his irrelevance.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8568371 - 06/26/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I thought Mr. Paul was jejune and a demagogue and hence about the last person I would want to see in the Oval office.  One thing you can't argue with is his irrelevance.



A demagogue? Are you SERIOUS?


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8569308 - 06/26/08 11:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

wow zappa... it is pointless to argue an opinion about someones perception of something, but how can you call RP a demagogue or jejune?
I think you just want a rise out of me, or dig deep into your lexicon of high brow pundit defamations.

just his stats and actions alone excuse him from such judgements.

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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #8570846 - 06/27/08 12:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I think his entire campaign was about his own self- aggrandizement.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8570998 - 06/27/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I think his entire campaign was about his own self- aggrandizement.



Based on what? If that was the case, why didn't he make an independent or third party presidential run after his Republican attempt failed? Surely that would have furthered his 'self-aggrandizement'. Agree with him or disagree with him, he cares about the country and he cares about its people. He's honest, almost to a fault, and he was amazed and surprised that his campaign was as educationally successful as it was. I am at a complete loss as to how anyone can think Ron Paul is a demagogue.


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Ancalagon]
    #8571105 - 06/27/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

No money.  I think it was all about "Ronnie the Rebel".


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8571169 - 06/27/08 01:51 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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No money.  I think it was all about "Ronnie the Rebel".



I made no mention of money. Can you substantiate your claim, or can you link to a past post in which you have done that?


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8571177 - 06/27/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I think his entire campaign was about his own self- aggrandizement.





As I think any campaign should be.  I don't know if I agree with you, but your probably right.


He should think his ideas are the best, or he shouldn't run.  Why should someone run?  THe good of the country?  What's the difference?

I guess maybe your trying to say he thinks his ideas will be popular but not good for the country, but promotes them anyways for support?

I really don't care.  I like the man's platform and voted for him on that.  I could care less about his personal reasons.

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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: johnm214]
    #8573655 - 06/28/08 08:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

    zappaisgod said:
    I think his entire campaign was about his own self- aggrandizement.




Zapp you must be joking. This is true about every politician. :tongue: Or do you really believe it's not true about the ones who agree with your views?:lol:


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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Icelander]
    #8574778 - 06/28/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

No, I think it was especially true about Paul because he knew good and well he had no fucking chance.  His stupid supporters didn't know it, but he did.  He was essentially running for Prom Queen of a Special Ed School and he got a whole lot of daft dopes to march off the cliff.  Suckers, we call them, and we usually try to play cards with them.


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