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xFrockx
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Seuss]
#8563997 - 06/25/08 07:26 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Because anybody with half a brain hasn't made up their mind who they are going to vote for yet. "
Right now I am decided that I will vote for Obama, but that doesn't mean I will never change my mind, thats lunacy. Flexible minds are able to hear when they are wrong.
As I see it now, these men are totally different, and its not a hard decision for me to pick the one that won't keep turning this country into a shithole. Look at how the dollar index has dropped since 2002 and tell me with a straight face that you don't think the kind of boys club leadership that the republican party has to offer isn't fucking all of us over.
I know its fun to see politics as some sort of chummy frat party where everyone can putz around and hope shit falls together. Well guess what, we are a nation competing in a global marketplace, we cannot afford to maintain the image we have earned these past 8 years.
Don't take this as a flame, I know you think they're all assholes, but I feel it is a flame for you to say that people who see in Obama what this country needs are somehow dumber than you. That sort of holier than thou attitude is what got America where it is in the first place, so wake up and smell your options, they may not be the best, but they are just human, like you, like me, and all of us here.
Edited by xFrockx (06/25/08 07:26 PM)
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Annapurna1
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: xFrockx]
#8564045 - 06/25/08 07:38 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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According to a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, Obama holds a 12 point lead over McCain in a head-to-head match up, 49 percent to 37 percent. But when third party candidates Ralph Nader and Bob Barr are added to the list, Obama's lead over McCain extends to 15 points, 48 percent to 33 percent.
The survey is the second in a matter of days to indicate McCain may face a sizable deficit as the general election campaign kicks off. A Newsweek poll released four days ago showed the Illinois senator with a 15 point lead.
lets do the math ..
LATIMES ..49% + 37% = 86%... newsweek ..51% + 36% = 86%...
in both cases theres a missing 14% that will likely break for mccain between now and november...taking that into account..mccain leads by 2% in the LATIMES poll and trails by only 1% in the newsweek poll...similarly..the 45%-45% gallup poll is actually a 10% advantage for mccain...
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Annapurna1]
#8564056 - 06/25/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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What is your proof that 14 percent will fall for McCain? OR rather, than any percent will fall for McCain?
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Seuss]
#8564118 - 06/25/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seuss said: How many debates have we had between the two? Have they announced vice presidents yet? How the @#$# can anybody know who they are voting for this early in the election process? Morons, all them. No wonder the country is so messed up. People are voting along party lines without regard to the issues... also called a popularity contest.
Well, McCain has essentially had 8 years of presidency to show people that his policies are garbage. Frankly, I don't give two shits what Obama's policies are, a vote for John McCain is a vote for death
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Kennedy defeated Nixon by the slimmest of margins, a lot of which was ascribed to cadavers from Chicago.
Bush narrowly defeated Gore, a lot of which has been ascribed to Katherine Harris rigging Florida's voter rolls.. What's your point?
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in both cases theres a missing 14% that will likely break for mccain between now and november...taking that into account..mccain leads by 2% in the LATIMES poll and trails by only 1% in the newsweek poll...similarly..the 45%-45% gallup poll is actually a 10% advantage for mccain...
Do you have ANY way to back this up?
Latest Poll Round-Up - RCP
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: lonestar2004]
#8564309 - 06/25/08 08:50 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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Ancalagon said:
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lonestar2004 said: BIG NEWS! 15 points!
Its FUCKING unbelievable how MSM will do anything to promote Obama. (even rig polls....)
Yes, Obama is ahead a few points. 3-5
12-15 points my ass!
BREAKING (Gallup): Dukakis takes 17 point lead over George Bush!
Published: July 26, 1988
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/19/11498/1787
SUCKERS....
I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but I'll ask some serious questions at any rate: Why do you think these poll results are implausible? Do you know ANYONE who's excited about a John McCain presidency? If you answered yes to the last question, is that person excited about a John McCain presidency for its own sake, or because it would necessarily mean the absence of an Obama presidency?
Look, the fact of the matter is John McCain is a bad candidate that is running in a really bad year for his party. This has all the makings of a rout; that the polls reflect this is unsurprising. If you are actually serious about thinking polls are rigged, I'd admonish you to check yourself the next time you consider calling some 9/11 truther (or other leftist kook) on his bullshit.
You seem like a cool dude (and very Intelligent) so i don't mean any disrespect, but this poll is shit.
its not even worth debating.
"the fact of the matter is John McCain is a bad candidate that is running in a really bad year for his party."
Yep, McCain Sucks!
but Obama, and everything that comes with him, will scare the fuck out of millions of Independent voters and they will have no problem voting for McCain this fall.
found another rigged poll. its called MSM propaganda Media trying to to shape public opinion...
1984 Newsweek Poll: Walter Mondale beating Ronald Reagan by 18 points
"The day the Democratic convention ended in San Francisco in 1984, the Newsweek poll showed Walter Mondale 18 points ahead of President Ronald Reagan. Mondale ended up getting clobbered, 49 states to one."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/143258/output/print
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: lonestar2004]
#8564337 - 06/25/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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OMG its not just me and zap who think this poll is shit!
"The LA times survey simply asked respondents their party affiliation or inclination, and came up with this breakdown: 39% Democratic, 22% Republican, 8% something else, 4% refused to say.
shit! 17% difference in party affiliation!
that dumb bitch Pinkus responds that ...
... "while the result for self-described Democrats may seem high, "this is what the poll got from a random sample of 1,233 adults nationwide, including 1,115 registered voters (which includes listed, unlisted and cell phone users)."
Lord....
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/too-large-of-a.html
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: lonestar2004]
#8564348 - 06/25/08 09:01 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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So even with 17% more dems used, the poll only had a 15% lead!
now this thread will die with the Cricket sound...
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Edited by lonestar2004 (06/25/08 09:04 PM)
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: xFrockx]
#8564419 - 06/25/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: What is your proof that 14 percent will fall for McCain? OR rather, than any percent will fall for McCain?
there is no proof that they will fall for mccain..which is why i said that their *more likely* to fall for mccain.. as opposed to they will...OTOH..obamas' difficulties with late-deciding voters in the primaries.. as well as trends in polls from past election cycles.. strongly suggest that this is the case...
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Annapurna1]
#8564463 - 06/25/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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That was against Hilary, not McCain, so using that as a guideline makes no sense.
I think it will depend much more on how America does before the election.
Terror attack + good economy (somehow, some way) = Mccain No terror attack + bad economy = Obama
This is because the republican party plays on people's fear to get their votes. Those in fear still care about their money, and Bush has lost their trust in his party's economic principles.
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: xFrockx]
#8564472 - 06/25/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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That was against Hilary, not McCain, so using that as a guideline makes no sense.
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: xFrockx]
#8564555 - 06/25/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: That was against Hilary, not McCain, so using that as a guideline makes no sense.
supposing that were the case.. trends from previous election cycles (most notably 1988 and 2004) still show the undecideds swinging rightward as election day approaches...
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I think it will depend much more on how America does before the election.
Terror attack + good economy (somehow, some way) = Mccain No terror attack + bad economy = Obama
This is because the republican party plays on people's fear to get their votes. Those in fear still care about their money, and Bush has lost their trust in his party's economic principles.
no terror attack is needed.. a videotape (which could have easily been faked) was good enough to swing the 2004 vote to bush...
the economy is more complex because of the "somehow someway" part..but the repugs still won in 2002 despite a recession and the stock market crash...
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: Annapurna1]
#8564768 - 06/25/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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america deserves what it gets after ousting Ron Paul.... the only decent person and actual human being to run in a hundred years.
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Ron Paul is the space alien who was crashing Ross Perot's world class daughter's wedding. There is no conclusive evidence that he is human. There is, however, conclusive evidence that he is irrelevant.
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
#8568091 - 06/26/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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ill take an honest, decent wackjob in the oval office over any of the fake, retarded, puppets running for it, or the one in it right now.
I never fully agreed with RP on half of his shit, but he was the only person that would have genuinely acted on the best interest of this country rather than prioritize favors according to campaign contributions.
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I thought Mr. Paul was jejune and a demagogue and hence about the last person I would want to see in the Oval office. One thing you can't argue with is his irrelevance.
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
#8568371 - 06/26/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I thought Mr. Paul was jejune and a demagogue and hence about the last person I would want to see in the Oval office. One thing you can't argue with is his irrelevance.
A demagogue? Are you SERIOUS?
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
#8569308 - 06/26/08 11:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow zappa... it is pointless to argue an opinion about someones perception of something, but how can you call RP a demagogue or jejune? I think you just want a rise out of me, or dig deep into your lexicon of high brow pundit defamations.
just his stats and actions alone excuse him from such judgements.
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I think his entire campaign was about his own self- aggrandizement.
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Re: Obama up huge on McCain [Re: zappaisgod]
#8570998 - 06/27/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I think his entire campaign was about his own self- aggrandizement.
Based on what? If that was the case, why didn't he make an independent or third party presidential run after his Republican attempt failed? Surely that would have furthered his 'self-aggrandizement'. Agree with him or disagree with him, he cares about the country and he cares about its people. He's honest, almost to a fault, and he was amazed and surprised that his campaign was as educationally successful as it was. I am at a complete loss as to how anyone can think Ron Paul is a demagogue.
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