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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: thedefone]
    #8575795 - 06/28/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Exactly, I wish we had no political parties and just political issues to discuss, it would take alot of the bullshit out of it, not all but alot.

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: thedefone]
    #8575798 - 06/28/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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This is the real problem with politics today.  Instead of debating the issues and discussing the candidates based on the merits of their stances, pols dig through the mud looking for non-issue, and irrelevant points on which to attack.  All it does is perpetuate the growing disinterest of the voter, utterly distract from relevant discussion, and serve to further divide differing positions for no valid reason.

In my eyes, if there is a real threat to America it's the frivolous attacks like the one this thread is founded on, and the perpetual antagonism to, and disassociation of the voter created by such actions. 



:shrug:





couldn't have said it better:thumbup:


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Phred]
    #8575800 - 06/28/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The desperation is amazing. Are you guys THAT afraid that Obama is going to defeat McCain?




What is your objection to Obama providing his birth certificate to the FEC? It is clear that what we've seen so far isn't the real deal. It is - at best - an electronic mockup of it.




Phred




That's a very, very interesting interpretation of my post. There is absolutely nothing in it which would leave any reasonable person to believe I don't believe Obama should follow all campaign laws.

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: thedefone]
    #8575918 - 06/28/08 11:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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This is the real problem with politics today.  Instead of debating the issues and discussing the candidates based on the merits of their stances, pols dig through the mud looking for non-issue, and irrelevant points on which to attack.  All it does is perpetuate the growing disinterest of the voter, utterly distract from relevant discussion, and serve to further divide differing positions for no valid reason.

In my eyes, if there is a real threat to America it's the frivolous attacks like the one this thread is founded on, and the perpetual antagonism to, and disassociation of the voter created by such actions. 



:shrug:






what is the attack?

People noted the birth certificate didn't appear genuine.  Others noted that the resolution was too low to tell and that the authenticity of the certificate was itself irrelevant, only precluding it from being considered as presumptive evidence of citezenship.


I don't really know what your talking about.  Only the fools, and I don't think there are too many of them, didn't realize that if he was born in hawaii he's a citezen.


As most have made up their minds on the election, I would hope, and this had nothing to do with "issues" I don't know what your point is.


This was about the authenticity of the birth certificate.  I thought it was interesting.  I also thought it was irrelevant, as any sane person who read the thread would conclude- except to political fallout fom a forged document.


So I don't get what your talking about.

Your pissed that a thread that wasn't about issues wasn't about issues?  k....

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8579899 - 06/30/08 08:10 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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More proof that Conservatives are just stupid as shit.





and u Liberals are sooooo smart. Y'all nominated Barack Obama! :rofl2:


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: johnm214]
    #8579907 - 06/30/08 08:18 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

God fucking forbid we ask a man running for President to produce a valid, actual birth certificate proving they meet the constitutional requirements of being a natural born citizen.......


The audacity of conservatives....


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8579937 - 06/30/08 08:41 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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God fucking forbid we ask a man running for President to produce a valid, actual birth certificate proving they meet the constitutional requirements of being a natural born citizen.......


The audacity of conservatives....



Right, because all the initial website did was innocently ask for proper documentation. No accusations were hurled or wild conjectures were raised. Just pure, innocent questioning.

Right.


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Ancalagon]
    #8579958 - 06/30/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

All Obama has to do is release it.


Period.


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8580254 - 06/30/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

He did. It was on his website.  :flowstone:


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Ancalagon]
    #8580327 - 06/30/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

> Just pure, innocent questioning.

So do we know where he was born yet?  (Sorry, I haven't been following this.  I feel that I am picking at a scab, but my question is meant to be innocent, not sarcastic.)


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Seuss]
    #8580383 - 06/30/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Obama is still playing a game.

Obama has yet to provide a real paper copy of his birth certificate. (it will take him all of five minutes)and he still has the same Document on his website with NO seal and No signature.


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8580407 - 06/30/08 02:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Obama is still playing a game.

Obama has yet to provide a real paper copy of his birth certificate. (it will take him all of five minutes)and he still has the same Document on his website with NO seal and No signature.




I thought it was allready established that the document on his site is consistant with being a sealed and signed document?

Agreed its not evident it is any of these things, but whatever...


As to Seuss' question, yes, it appears no one is openly questioning his birth in Hawaii at the moment, just the authenticity of the birth certificate. 

Who knows, maybe folks still think there's some way he could have been born in hawaii after statehood and not be a citizen.  If there is a way, and there's certainly not, no one's shown how.

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: johnm214]
    #8580466 - 06/30/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The Document on his website has no stamp, no seal, and no signature.


WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?



I Hope Obama drags this out until October! :thumbup:


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8580584 - 06/30/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

> As to Seuss' question, yes, it appears no one is openly questioning his birth in Hawaii at the moment, just the authenticity of the birth certificate. 

Thanks... if anything changes, lemme know; meanwhile, I am going back into peaceful ignorance.


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8580599 - 06/30/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I Hope Obama drags this out until October! :thumbup:




And by that you mean that you hope that you will drag this thread out until October? Because so far no one else cares about this bullshit, Obama included.


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: gluke bastid]
    #8580639 - 06/30/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
I Hope Obama drags this out until October! :thumbup:




And by that you mean that you hope that you will drag this thread out until October? Because so far no one else cares about this bullshit, Obama included.





Jesus....

You and Madtown, etc. don’t have to participate.


I repeat,


You and Madtown, etc. do not have to participate.



Personally i have no problem if Obama wants to play the birth certificate game.


Eventually obama will have to release a copy of his original birth certificate.


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8581095 - 06/30/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Looks real to me.

Anyways, the burden of proof is on the people making the claim that it isn't real and so far they haven't done that.

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8581160 - 06/30/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The Document on his website has no stamp, no seal, and no signature.

WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

I Hope Obama drags this out until October!



Do you read anything outside of your world of conspiratorial blogs?  It has been repeated for over a week that the seal and the signature are on the rear of the certificate.  But honestly, I don't believe him either.  The only conclusion any rational person could draw is quite obvious...  He's a space alien. 

Personally I hope that Obama drags this on for as long as possible, then releases his BC in a month or two.  There's nothing quite like watching the Republican party cannibalize itself.

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the burden of proof is on the people making the claim that it isn't real and so far they haven't done that.



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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: thedefone]
    #8581178 - 06/30/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

> The only conclusion any rational person could draw is quite obvious...  He's a space alien. 

Woah?!  Obama is L. Ron Hubbard, reincarnated?  Hold the presses!  j/k


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: thedefone]
    #8581207 - 06/30/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

then flip it over! is it that hard to do Mr. Obama? it would take 5 fucking minutes. Well I just checked his site, and still no embossed seal.....


what is Obama Hiding?


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