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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8563297 - 06/25/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Again, I fail to see why both candidates should not be required by law to provide their birth certificates to the FEC. There are not many restrictions on qualifications for presidential candidates, but two of them (natural-born US citizen and minimum age) can be decided by referring to the candidate's birth certificate. It should be standard procedure.

Clearly whatever is currently at Obama's website is not his real birth certificate. I don't even say it is necessary for him to post a scan of his real certificate on his website - he need only hand it to the FEC for scrutiny - but he should definitely take down the faked one.




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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8563473 - 06/25/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Lonestar will prolly shit his pants if Obama wins.




it would be very UPSETTING!

Thank god it has no chance of happening!




Just like Democrats won't take the congress in 2006?


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: downforpot]
    #8563541 - 06/25/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Lonestar will prolly shit his pants if Obama wins.




it would be very UPSETTING!

Thank god it has no chance of happening!




Just like Democrats won't take the congress in 2006?











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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8563948 - 06/25/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I knew he was a terrorist, lynch the motherfucker. :smirk:


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: downforpot]
    #8564206 - 06/25/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The desperation is amazing. Are you guys THAT afraid that Obama is going to defeat McCain?




Well yea... Lonestar will prolly shit his pants if Obama wins.




maybe he'll move to canada :lol: :rimshot:


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: x2and2makes5]
    #8564256 - 06/25/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I do :heart: their Prime minister....:)


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Phred]
    #8564269 - 06/25/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

"In all likelihood, Obama's genuine birth certificate will show pretty much what Kos' apparent forgery shows -- and thus ends the issue, to the extent there is an issue lurking here. But why is the Obama campaign relying upon a almost-certain photoshop forgery when requesting the genuine article is obviously a rather easy action for it to take?"

http://ace.mu.nu/



Does anyone have any idea why obama would do this?


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8564464 - 06/25/08 09:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

This is truly insane. 

I am quite certain that the only copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate in existence is the one in question in this thread.  He has cleverly managed to skate through life as a passport holder, registered voter, and licensed driver, without ever needing a certified birth certificate.  Really though, the only proof anyone would ever need to discredit a man's citizenship is the, "Israeli Insider," and whatever lunacy they have on tap today.

Because, after all, who employs reason in their politics?

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The desperation is amazing. Are you guys THAT afraid that Obama is going to defeat McCain?



Yes.  Yes, they are.

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This one is actually true.  You didn't know?


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: thedefone]
    #8564479 - 06/25/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Throw enough strands of spaghetti on the wall and its bound to stick, politics is all character assassination now, the rumour may not be true but as long as its spread its damage is adequate. Goebbels would be happy to see his tactics so readily employed by major media outlets, and the two party system.

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #8564651 - 06/25/08 10:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

What is your objection to both candidates depositing their birth certificates with the FEC? Sure, it's a formality. But a lot of things in life require us to go through formalities. Hell, for all I know both candidates have already done so.

I'm just curious why the Obama website has seen fit to post a fake certificate in the first place. No certificate at all? That's understandable. Real certificate? Also understandable. But a photoshop job from Daily Kos? That's a poser.




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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Phred]
    #8564740 - 06/25/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe the Obama campaign is trying to draw Fox and other anti-obama new sources into a trap so that they are ostracized for the debacle that ensues when Obama produces a real birth certificate.

its like a pitcher plant, they let flies walk all over them, some actual sweat a sucrose type sap that draws the flies in and as they walk down the tube the realize that they cant go back because barbs they previously walked over prevent them from getting out.

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Phred]
    #8564837 - 06/25/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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What is your objection to both candidates depositing their birth certificates with the FEC? Sure, it's a formality. But a lot of things in life require us to go through formalities. Hell, for all I know both candidates have already done so.

I'm just curious why the Obama website has seen fit to post a fake certificate in the first place. No certificate at all? That's understandable. Real certificate? Also understandable. But a photoshop job from Daily Kos? That's a poser.




Phred




Because if he was running for president im sure someone checked his birth certificate, Its a fucking non-issue, you wanna debate the candidate thats great, but this is school yard gossip, it serves no point in debating the real issues and facts about the particular candidates platform.

And why should he show everyone his birth certificate? To further validate what a bunch of dumbasses said? Does Bush try to constantly convince troofers he had nothing to do with 9/11, No because acknowledgeing it only brings you to an idiots level.

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #8564953 - 06/25/08 11:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Because if he was running for president im sure someone checked his birth certificate...




I would certainly hope so. I would certainly hope McCain's has been checked as well. But I don't know that they have. Let's face it, there have been far worse fuckups than the failure to check a candidate's birth certificates. This is government we're talking about after all... they screw up simple stuff all the time.

I still don't understand why the Obama website has seen fit to post a fake certificate in the first place. No certificate at all? That's understandable. Real certificate? Also understandable. But a photoshop job from Daily Kos? I can understand the Daily Kos posting it... those guys do all kinds of silly shit on a regular basis. But one would think Obama's staff would have at least checked with Obama that he had authorized the release of his birth certificate, and when they found out he hadn't, that they would yank the phony image off their website.

It's a poser, all right.




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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Phred]
    #8565018 - 06/25/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well, im not really a huge obama fan, so im just kind of playing devils advocate here, but if he shows his certificate then he could get this behind him and on to the next politically damaging thing.

I tell ya, id hate to be a politician its like having your therapist broadcasted on live television talking about how much of a piece of shit you are.

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8565214 - 06/26/08 01:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Have I missed something?  What constitutes proof that the doc on his site is a fake?





Link
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm


personally i would not have accepted it as a little league baseball coach.

i doubt even the DMV would accept this document.


or the post office.


no seal

no stamp

no signature




where did this thing come from?





I still don't see how that shows anything.

Did I miss where they said that no birth certificate had been issued at whatever time obama got his that wasn't certified?

If there's some law or rule or something showing that certificates are always certified, then fine.

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: johnm214]
    #8565477 - 06/26/08 04:14 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

> If there's some law or rule or something showing that certificates are always certified, then fine.

There is, for Hawaii.  I read it when looking up this garbage online the other day.  Some states have both certified and non-certified birth certificates.  Hawaii has a state law that says only certified birth certificates will be issued.  (I didn't look to see if the date on the law was before or after Obama's alleged birth.)


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Seuss]
    #8565482 - 06/26/08 04:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

hmm, ok


In any case, the certificate wasn't from when he was born, it has a revision date of 2001, which presumably is the date the present form was adopted.  Why isn't it dated though?  Is that part of the redacted portion?


In any case, unless he wasn't born in hawaii, he is clearly a natural born citizen, and the legal discussion in the thing lonestar cited is pretty poor, the 14th amendment is the begining and end of the discusion, unless someone shows he was born outside of america.


I'll also say that the whole discussion of the birth certificate as being required seems overblown.  While it is certainly customary, and would raise red flags if he didn't have one, big ones, it doesn't mean he's not eligible for the presidency.

But I do agree that what Obama has actually posted on his webiste is pretty weird.  Is their evidence this document is actually linked to by obama's site?  Or did someone just find it there?  In the end its irrelevant, but pretty interesting, as it appears whatever he posted has been altered beyond simply blocking out the cert. number.

I agree with phred:  both candidates should have to file proof of citizenship, ideally a certified certificate, as part of the process to appear on the ballots.

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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: johnm214]
    #8565512 - 06/26/08 05:05 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

> Is their evidence this document is actually linked to by obama's site?

I didn't verify, but from what I have read, the original image came from Obama's official campaign web site.

> I agree with phred:  both candidates should have to file proof of citizenship, ideally a certified certificate, as part of the process to appear on the ballots.

I agree with you both on this.  Should probably require voters to prove they are citizens as well (at the government's expense).


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Seuss]
    #8565633 - 06/26/08 06:53 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Link to Obama's Birth Certificate.

Next Republican Smear Tactic?

Who's got it?

Phred?  Lonestar?


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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8565786 - 06/26/08 08:08 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

panties in a twist over *fake* birth certificates...

no problems imprisoning potentially innocent people in perpetuity.

gotta love the GOP value system.


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