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Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen
#8558637 - 06/24/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is now a virtual certainty that the "birth certificate" claimed by the Barack Obama campaign as authentic is a photoshopped fake.
The image, purporting to come from the Hawaii Department of Health, has been the subject of intense skepticism in the blogosphere in the past two weeks.
It has become even more suspect with the revelation that variations of the certificate image were posted on the Photobucket image aggregation website -- including one listing the location of Obama's birth as Antarctica, one with the certificate supposedly issued by the government of North Korea, and another including a purported photo of baby Barack -- one of which has a "photo taken" time-stamp just two minutes before the article and accompanying image was posted on the left-wing Daily Kos blog.
That strongly suggests that Daily Kos obtained the image from Photobucket, not the State of Hawaii, the Obama family, or the Obama campaign. Photobucket is not known as a credible supplier of official vital records for any of the fifty states, and the liberties that other Photoshoppers took with the certificates confirms this.
Some of these oddities surfaced in Israel Insider's previous article on the subject, but new comparative documentary evidence presented below provides the strongest confirmation yet.
An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate for another Hawaiian individual has since surfaced which, using the same official form as the presumptive Obama certificate, includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature -- features that Obama's alleged certificate lack, as well as a certificate number referencing the birth year that was blacked out in the image claimed as genuine by Obama's campaign. According to Hawaiian authorities, authentic certificates are printed and sent by mail: there are no electronic-only copies.
Compare the top image presented by his campaign as evidence of Obama's 1961 birth and the other certifying the birth of one Patricia Decosta.
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So if it's genuine, Barack Obama -- because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a "Certification of Live Birth" -- must have a paper copy, with stamp and seal.
The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the suspect unstamped, unsealed, document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth" -- which is not an original but an official confirmation supposedly based on verified original data.
The failure of the Obama campaign to do so, and its willingness instead to put up what now appears to be a crude forgery, raises the dramatic question of what the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate might possibly have to hide.
Until now, it has been believed that there was some embarrassing information on the real certificate: was the candidate's name something other than Barack Hussein Obama II, as it is claimed? Was no father listed because of the uncertainty over Obama's paternity? Was his father's race listed as Arab, or Muslim, rather than African? These revelations might be embarrassing, and further undermine his credibility, but he could disavow and downplay their significance." Would revealing such embarrassment outweigh the far greater risks involved in perpetuating a forgery?
There is one possibility, however, which alone might justify the risk that Obama and his campaign seems to be taking in putting forward the apparent forgery: Obama was not born in Hawaii and may not be an American citizen at all, or at least a "natural born citizen" as the Constitution defines the requirement for the nation's chief executive. Real original birth certificates, circa 1961, have all kinds of verifiable information that would confirm Obama's origins, or throw them into doubt should they be lacking.
Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama's birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother's youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a "natural born citizen." Even if he were naturalized later -- and there is no evidence that he was -- he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and -- if forgery or misrepresentation were involved -- he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges.
But if, at this late date, Obama has no proof of being a US citizen by law, natural born or otherwise, then he or his advisers may be tempted to try to "tough out" the allegations about his "birth certificate" or the lack thereof. He and his campaign have gotten away with other fibs, and embarrassments: maybe this one will go away, too.
Because the consequences were he to admit, or should it come out, that he was not born in Hawaii would be so onerous as to make it tempting to take the gamble, say a Hail Mary or an Inshallah, and hope that no one dares call his most audacious bluff by demanding proof. Talk about the audacity of hope!
The longer Obama waits, the more serious grow the consequences of waiting.
There is one simple way for the candidate to clear up the issue once and for all: produce for public inspection and objective analysis the paper copy of his original Hawaiian birth certificate -- if one exists. Ordinary citizens are required to produce one to get a passport or a driver's license. Surely it's not too much to ask from a man who aspires to hold the highest office in the land.
The issue is not whether Obama is black or white, Christian or Muslim. It is whether he was born in the USA and thus a citizen eligible according to the Constitution to run for President.
If incontrovertible proof of citizenship does not exist, then surely it would be wiser to admit it now. Because if Barack Hussein Obama II does not produce definitive proof of his "natural born" American citizenship with original, verifiable documents, he will be setting the stage for a very public battle over his credibility, the basic legitimacy of his candidacy, and its possible criminality, a legal, political and personal battle which has every prospect of leading to violence of the ugliest kind.
Link http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm
The fake certificate is still on the official Obama website.....
http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO_birthcert.jpg
WHY?
Why would Obama have a forged document on his campaign website?
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
#8558655 - 06/24/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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israeli insider?
you gotta do better than that.
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: danknugz81]
#8558670 - 06/24/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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What do you expect?u know our Media is in the Tank for Obama.
But check out the Document on his website for yourself. does it look like a Fake to you?
"Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama's birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother's youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a "natural born citizen." Even if he were naturalized later -- and there is no evidence that he was -- he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and -- if forgery or misrepresentation were involved -- he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges."
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
#8558709 - 06/24/08 02:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: What do you expect?u know our Media is in the Tank for Obama.
But check out the Document on his website for yourself. does it look like a Fake to you?
"Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama's birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother's youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a "natural born citizen." Even if he were naturalized later -- and there is no evidence that he was -- he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and -- if forgery or misrepresentation were involved -- he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges."
if there was any legs to this story at all fox news would be ALL OVER this. if true, it would be a scandal of massive proportions and would really make the democrats look stupid for not doing their background checks better.
does the certificate look fake to me? no, it doesn't. i'm no photoshop expert, though. the article you posted is just speculation and presents no proof whatsoever that the birth certificate was faked.
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: danknugz81]
#8558777 - 06/24/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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the article cites the fact that there's no certification stamp, not all copies are certified
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8558801 - 06/24/08 03:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: the article cites the fact that there's no certification stamp, not all copies are certified
I guess then all Obama has to do is show a certified copy.
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8558811 - 06/24/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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> not all copies are certified
Especially not faked copies. Oh wait a minute... I suppose if the fake were any good, they would forge the certificate... never mind. Around and around we go, where we stop, only those wearing tinfoil hats know.
(I haven't read the blogs on this and have no idea what they are claiming. If it is nothing more than a missing seal, then people are really stretching...)
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
#8558815 - 06/24/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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Prisoner#1 said: the article cites the fact that there's no certification stamp, not all copies are certified
I guess then all Obama has to do is show a certified copy.
is he required to show it to the general public?
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8558825 - 06/24/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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Prisoner#1 said: the article cites the fact that there's no certification stamp, not all copies are certified
I guess then all Obama has to do is show a certified copy.
is he required to show it to the general public?
why not?
whats he hiding?
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8558842 - 06/24/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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this kind of shit is showing the desperation of the GOP and Israeli lobby.
if they really wanted to win the white house they should have picked a candidate that didn't suck so bad. Can McCain just for once, take a stand on an issue and actually back it? his campaign is pretty laughable at this point.
by the way, i'm not voting for obama.
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
#8558857 - 06/24/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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lonestar2004 said:
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Prisoner#1 said: the article cites the fact that there's no certification stamp, not all copies are certified
I guess then all Obama has to do is show a certified copy.
is he required to show it to the general public?
why not?
whats he hiding?
are you serious? why did bush and cheney refuse to test under oath in front of the 9/11 commission? why were no notes or records of the testimony allowed and why did they go together as opposed to seperate as requested by the commission?
what were THEY hiding?
why is dick cheney's energy policy still not a matter of public record?
lonestar, you gotta be shitting me.
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: danknugz81]
#8558869 - 06/24/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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danknugz81 said: this kind of shit is showing the desperation of the GOP and Israeli lobby.
oh please, McCain has at least three pending cases in court challenging his right to be sworn in as president!!! (fucking Looney Left)
And McCain was born to US parents on a US military base at a time when the Canal Zone was legally US territory!!!!!
All obama has to do is show a real Birth Certificate....
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Edited by lonestar2004 (06/24/08 03:54 PM)
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8558950 - 06/24/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: the article cites the fact that there's no certification stamp, not all copies are certified
certified or sealed.
I just looked at all my families birth certificates. (they are all sealed/certified.)
how do you get a non sealed or non certified birth certificate?
does anyone here have a non-certified birth certificate?
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
#8558957 - 06/24/08 04:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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danknugz81 said: this kind of shit is showing the desperation of the GOP and Israeli lobby.
oh please, McCain has at least three pending cases in court challenging his right to be sworn in as president!!! (fucking Looney Left)
And McCain was born to US parents on a US military base at a time when the Canal Zone was legally US territory!!!!!
All obama has to do is show a real Birth Certificate....
looney lefts... yeah they are unfortunate. you guys never seem to talk abou the "radical right" though. the opinions you post on here lead me to believe you are part of that crowd.
for the record i wish he would show the birth certificate, just so that you and the other right wingers could shut the fuck up about it. move on to the next lie already.
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
#8558965 - 06/24/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: how do you get a non sealed or non certified birth certificate?
in my state you order one from the office of vital statistics it costs a little more for the certified copy
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does anyone here have a non-certified birth certificate?
my brother does, in fact he has 3 non-certified and one imprinted with a seal, I picked up copies for my kids that arent certified last year at the county health department in order to verify information with the social security administration
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: danknugz81]
#8559005 - 06/24/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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for the record i wish he would show the birth certificate, just so that you and the other right wingers could shut the fuck up about it. move on to the next lie already.
for the record I'm the only "right winger" talking about it on the shroomery right now.
Along with some small Jewish newspaper....
if this topic bothers you stopping clicking it with your finger....(BTW I'm sure you wont be the first or last person to get angry over this fake document discussion)
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8559013 - 06/24/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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lonestar2004 said: how do you get a non sealed or non certified birth certificate?
it costs a little more for the certified copy
i guess Obama didn't have the extra money for the certified..
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
#8559093 - 06/24/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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The desperation is amazing. Are you guys THAT afraid that Obama is going to defeat McCain?
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: lonestar2004]
#8559109 - 06/24/08 04:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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for the record i wish he would show the birth certificate, just so that you and the other right wingers could shut the fuck up about it. move on to the next lie already.
for the record I'm the only "right winger" talking about it on the shroomery right now.
Along with some small Jewish newspaper....
if this topic bothers you stopping clicking it with your finger....(BTW I'm sure you wont be the first or last person to get angry over this fake document discussion)
i'm not angry about this discussion at all. most of this is pretty amusing actually.
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Re: Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen [Re: Redstorm]
#8559110 - 06/24/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: The desperation is amazing. Are you guys THAT afraid that Obama is going to defeat McCain?
Well yea... Lonestar will prolly shit his pants if Obama wins.
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