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zappaisgod
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Re: any Revolutionaries here? [Re: Chemy]
#8550765 - 06/22/08 01:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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The sexual revolution was almost entirely peaceful. There remain some small group of assholes shooting up abortion clinics and providers but they are no greater in number than the random psychokiller.
Also, the collapse of the Soviet Union was quite peaceful. Until Putin, anyway.
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Re: any Revolutionaries here? [Re: Chemy]
#8550860 - 06/22/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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A quick google search....
1948 - India/Pakistan (liberation from British Empire) 1973 - Thailand (the "October Rising") 1974 - Portugal (the Carnation revolution) 1981-1989 - Poland (Solidarity) 1986 - Filipinos (the People-power or Yellow revolution) 1987-1989 - Estonia-Lithuania-Latvia (the Singing Revolution or Baltic Way) 1989 - Czechoslovakia (the Velvet revolution) 1989 - Bulgaria 1989-1990 - East Germany 2000 - Yugoslavia (the Bulldozer revolution) 2003 - Georgia (the Rose revolution) 2004 - Ukraine (the Orange revolution) 2005 - Lebanon (the Cedar revolution)
I don't recognize half of them.
Before any revolution can happen we need a change in thought. It's not bad enough yet.
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Re: any Revolutionaries here? [Re: FunkBuddha]
#8553174 - 06/23/08 04:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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FunkBuddha said: A quick google search....
1948 - India/Pakistan (liberation from British Empire)
pakistan wasnt founded peacefully
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Re: any Revolutionaries here? [Re: FunkBuddha]
#8553534 - 06/23/08 08:12 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm so glad Ron Paul got voted out early. "The tyranny of the minority".
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Re: any Revolutionaries here? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8554558 - 06/23/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Chemy said: Here's a lineup:
Revolutionaries:
- Militiamen that target shoot on weekends while wearing BDU's to increase the "ambience" of being a soldier.
- Former and active duty military (a handful) in fact quite a large handful, possibly as man as are currently serving in the armed forces now, possibly even more, many of whom have served in Special Forces, Marine Recon, The Navy Seals, etc...
- Hippies that are of no use in a firefight (the enemies life has value, I can not harm him)
- Gangsters that would kill and loot anything in sight, that have no perception of actions and consequences (useless cocksuckers).many of whom are serving in active or inactive capacities in the military
- Army, Army Rangers, Army Special Forces
- DOJ agencies: FBI, BATFE and DEA
- Marines, Marine Recon
- Navy Seals
- Blackwater
- Local Police and SRT teams
- County Sheriffs Offices and SRT teams
- State Police and SRT teams
Now the Government:
- Army, Army Rangers, Army Special Forces
- DOJ agencies: FBI, BATFE and DEA
- Marines, Marine Recon
- Navy Seals
- Blackwater
- Local Police and SRT teams
- County Sheriffs Offices and SRT teams
- State Police and SRT teams
corrected to portray a little more accuracy
Much more accurate.
You don't attack the military, you harass the infrastructure. An American revolution wouldn't last an hour if you were trying to set up ambushes.
But if you were disabling cargo cranes at major ports and sections of pipeline that span the country....
I just wish "revolutionaries" actually looked past the flowery images of an overthrown oppressor and saw the very real horror of at least a decade of surviving like an animal to accomplish it.
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Chemy
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Re: any Revolutionaries here? [Re: Crasher]
#8554609 - 06/23/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Crasher said:
Much more accurate.
You don't attack the military, you harass the infrastructure. An American revolution wouldn't last an hour if you were trying to set up ambushes.
But if you were disabling cargo cranes at major ports and sections of pipeline that span the country....
I just wish "revolutionaries" actually looked past the flowery images of an overthrown oppressor and saw the very real horror of at least a decade of surviving like an animal to accomplish it.
No armed revolution can succeed without disabling the military structure.
You are talking about insurgency operations, how effective is insurgency? I know that you know first hand insurgency is ineffective and insurgency in America would be doomed before it even began.
Ok, here's my last point, a revolution can not be initiated without organization of revolutionaries, the formation of such an organization can not happen without FBI infiltration and CIA and NSA surveillance.
Even if the revolutionaries were smart enough to form a central organization and cells where the lower level members and cells have no direct knowledge of the central unit or other cells, this revolution would still be doomed to be an epic failure, IMHO.
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Crasher
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Re: any Revolutionaries here? [Re: Chemy]
#8555703 - 06/23/08 07:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are talking about insurgency operations, how effective is insurgency? I know that you know first hand insurgency is ineffective and insurgency in America would be doomed before it even began.
Insurgency can be effective. Look at what USSF did in Afghanistan before it became a prolonged conventional military affair. A suitcase of money, a couple dozen green berets, and a pissed off population. Magic.
Look at Iraq. Several countries are basically financing the insurgency (despite the doubts of some shroomerites) while the US provides training to Iraqi Army and Police forces that are heavily infiltrated by Badr, Sadr, Dawa, etc.
A US insurgency, while I agree, would fail in reality, could hold out by the same dissent within the military ranks that Iraq is experiencing.
If anything, we'd see a coup d'etat from a very angry military after certain conflicts are abandoned. No one wants another emasculated military like the Clinton Era military.
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Edited by Crasher (06/23/08 07:21 PM)
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hamandcheese
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Re: any Revolutionaries here? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8555958 - 06/23/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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FunkBuddha said: A quick google search....
1948 - India/Pakistan (liberation from British Empire)
pakistan wasnt founded peacefully
pakistans secussion from india wasn't peaceful... however when india peacefully seceded from british rule pakistan was a part of it.
i just find this funny tho... Indian/Pakistan agreed in their hatred of british rule enough to peacefully break free but as soon as an arguement over religion came about they imedately turned to violence. Ain't that grand.
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The_Red_Crayon
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Re: any Revolutionaries here? [Re: Crasher]
#8556314 - 06/23/08 09:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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But if you were disabling cargo cranes at major ports and sections of pipeline that span the country....
Absolutely, why bother attacking the military/defense apparatus when you could simply deprive the enemy of his finance/security.
Take MEND organization who uses oil bunkering to generate huge profits to hire out "cults" and gangs to attack. The insurgency is completely open source, while one group is hired on monday to cut a oil pipeline, they hire another on tuesday to kidnap a foreign worker. Its the future of warfare.
Also, partial systems vs complete systems disruption, its much more effective to keep a state in a partial system of destruction because the nation state has to pour funds in to finance the system.
In theory this is how it would work. The Minutemen have been mustered to stop immigration in the porous mexican border, they are not accountable in any way to the federal government and lack almost complete judicial oversight, with many in law enforcement and the military also joing the paramilitary. Increasing drug violence from Mexico slowly leaks into the border areas, and the area erupts into a low intensity war, sparked by assassinations, carbombs, kidnappings, murders and not to mention the huge financial framework that employs said "thugs" to ensure their supply lines are problem free.
The blackmarket makes billions a year, and the ones who orchestrate it, have the money and power to back up and protect their supply lines. The violence in Mexico will eventually be exported to america, as drug cartels and paramilitary vigilantes, and governments battle to control the lucrative supply lines that run across the US border.
This is in my opinion is the only way you'll see a insurgency in the US in the future.
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Re: any Revolutionaries here? [Re: Chemy]
#8559575 - 06/24/08 07:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I haven't given any thought to attending the march. Maybe I should look into that.
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